Hoi,
Dismissing this whole thing as purely technical is something that might have
worked in the past. In the present you have a conflict. This conflict needs
a compromise. Dismissing all this as something "technical" is consequently
not helpful.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 3/30/07, Alexander Cajcyc <czalex(a)bk.ru> wrote:
In that case a solution has already been found long ago, and the question
is purely a technical one: one and the same Wiki, but with articles
separated into "classical" and "official". As far as I know, this
has
already been implemented in other Wikis (e.g. Serbian?). So why not just
doing the same with Belarusian Wikipedia?
czalex
-----Original Message-----
From: GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
To: "Alexander Cajcyc" <czalex(a)bk.ru>ru>, wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:03:43 +0200
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Be-x-old
Hoi,
There is no choice when it comes to the names of the projects. The
standard
is explicit; a private label is indicated by an
-x- at the right place
in
the label.
Having two projects is also something I would be against; it does not
bring
collaboration, it does not bring NPOV. You have
to get your act together
and
history shows that you now have to compromise big
time. It has been
indicated that the actual differences are less than what you find in
English
... all the more reason to insist on
collaboration.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 3/30/07, Alexander Cajcyc <czalex(a)bk.ru> wrote:
>
> Hi everybody
>
> I agree with Gerard that we must not deepen the conflict and hould
find a
> solution that would satisfy all of us.
>
> Are we all, no matter the orthography, interested in the
representation of
> Belarusian language in Wikipedia and in the
usage of this tool for the
sake
> of all Belarusian speakers no matter whether
they prefer the classical
> orthography or the official one? Yes, we all are. So let's find some
> compromise.
>
> I propose to leave the official orthography wikipedia where it is now,
OK.
>
> But you just CAN'T allow the 6000 classical Belarusian Wiki articles
to
> get lost! The fact that the Belarusian Wiki
was created as a Wiki in
> Taraskievica is a illustrative example to that the classical
orthography has
> an important place in Belarus now,
especially amoung people who really
DO
> speak the language on an every-day basis,
while you can even see that
most
> forum conversations in the
official-orthography Wikipedia are being
hold
> in... Russian [what is not bad itself].
>
> So an ideal solution would be to rename
be-x-old.wikipedia.org to, e.g
.,
editing
> so that it could coutinue its effective
functioning.
>
> regards,
>
> czalex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
> To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:23:35 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Be-x-old
>
> >
> > Hoi,
> > Please consider that if you have an option to work together, that
you
> have
> > to talk. That you have to give and take. That you will always feel
that
> you
> > give more than what you get.
> >
> > There are two groups of people who have fought each other in a space
> where
> > such fights are not appreciated. Assertions have been made about
"your"
> > language, "your" orthography,
by trash talking the "other" language
/
> > orthography. You do not get any
sympathy in this way. When you want
to
> > achieve something, it will be more
beneficial to be seen to
cooperate
> and to
> > find some coexistence.
> >
> > When this coexistence is hard to get because of the enmity that has
been
> > created in the past, it only means that
you will have to give even
more.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Gerard
> >
> > On 3/30/07, Monk <monkbel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > How can anybody say that Yury Tarasievich and his project is about
> > > language, not about politics, after such a letter? No facts, just
> > > insults and speculations.
> > >
> > > > You are an entity, yes, set out to destroy the existing
Belarusian
> > > > language and culture and
replace it with your version -- okay,
your
> > > > right. But get yourself your
own blessed language code for that.
> > > This speculation with such aggressive words doesn't help your
case, it
> > > can only make your case worse. I
don't even hope any more that you
> > > understand that your outrageous insults are absurd. You just dig a
pit
> > > for yourself by your own hands.
> > >
> > > > P.S.
> > > > Some years ago I witnessed a creation of one of such sites you
call
> > > > "proofs". So, there
was 1 tech and 1 editor, who re-edited
> everything
> > > > incoming (like 90+% or even 99% in standard Belarusian and
Russian)
> > > > into his flavour of
"classic". It was politics. Thousands pages
(and
> I
> > > > mean real thousands, there was sort of 4800 or so) of pages.
And...
> > > > grant money. I could add --
near to zero interest, excepting the
> > > > indexing bots.
> > > Another great example of lies. Where could they get any incoming
in
> "norm" if people just don't write
in it?
>
> Monk.
>
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