Hoi,
There is no choice when it comes to the names of the projects. The standard
is explicit; a private label is indicated by an -x- at the right place in
the label.
Having two projects is also something I would be against; it does not bring
collaboration, it does not bring NPOV. You have to get your act together and
history shows that you now have to compromise big time. It has been
indicated that the actual differences are less than what you find in English
.. all the more reason to insist on collaboration.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 3/30/07, Alexander Cajcyc <czalex(a)bk.ru> wrote:
Hi everybody
I agree with Gerard that we must not deepen the conflict and hould find a
solution that would satisfy all of us.
Are we all, no matter the orthography, interested in the representation of
Belarusian language in Wikipedia and in the usage of this tool for the sake
of all Belarusian speakers no matter whether they prefer the classical
orthography or the official one? Yes, we all are. So let's find some
compromise.
I propose to leave the official orthography wikipedia where it is now, OK.
But you just CAN'T allow the 6000 classical Belarusian Wiki articles to
get lost! The fact that the Belarusian Wiki was created as a Wiki in
Taraskievica is a illustrative example to that the classical orthography has
an important place in Belarus now, especially amoung people who really DO
speak the language on an every-day basis, while you can even see that most
forum conversations in the official-orthography Wikipedia are being hold
in... Russian [what is not bad itself].
So an ideal solution would be to rename
be-x-old.wikipedia.org to, e.g.,
be-classic.wikipedia.org or
bel.wikipedia.org and to open it for editing
so that it could coutinue its effective functioning.
regards,
czalex
-----Original Message-----
From: GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:23:35 +0200
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Be-x-old
Hoi,
Please consider that if you have an option to work together, that you
have
to talk. That you have to give and take. That you
will always feel that
you
give more than what you get.
There are two groups of people who have fought each other in a space
where
such fights are not appreciated. Assertions have
been made about "your"
language, "your" orthography, by trash talking the "other" language
/
orthography. You do not get any sympathy in this way. When you want to
achieve something, it will be more beneficial to be seen to cooperate
and to
find some coexistence.
When this coexistence is hard to get because of the enmity that has been
created in the past, it only means that you will have to give even more.
Thanks,
Gerard
On 3/30/07, Monk <monkbel(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> How can anybody say that Yury Tarasievich and his project is about
> language, not about politics, after such a letter? No facts, just
> insults and speculations.
>
> > You are an entity, yes, set out to destroy the existing Belarusian
> > language and culture and replace it with your version -- okay, your
> > right. But get yourself your own blessed language code for that.
> This speculation with such aggressive words doesn't help your case, it
> can only make your case worse. I don't even hope any more that you
> understand that your outrageous insults are absurd. You just dig a pit
> for yourself by your own hands.
>
> > P.S.
> > Some years ago I witnessed a creation of one of such sites you call
> > "proofs". So, there was 1 tech and 1 editor, who re-edited
everything
> > incoming (like 90+% or even 99% in
standard Belarusian and Russian)
> > into his flavour of "classic". It was politics. Thousands pages (and
I
mean real thousands, there was sort of 4800 or so) of
pages. And...
grant money. I could add -- near to zero interest, excepting the
indexing bots.
Another great example of lies. Where could they get any incoming
in
"norm" if people just don't write in it?
Monk.
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