I think an Old English Wikipedia sounds interesting (although I don't know
very much OE myself), and now that you are also discussing Latin, I wanted
to point out a few problems you might encounter (I am an admin on the Latin
Wikipedia):
Most importantly, you should start off by making some guidelines about what
should and should not be included. The Latin wikipedia is pretty old and
only recently has there been a concerted effort to give it some direction -
I think any new wikipedia in a dead language would benefit from having the
rules first.
For example, you would (I assume) want to have articles about Anglo-Saxon
related topics, but will people also want to write about unrelated subjects?
Will the stereotypical Pokemon article be allowed?
What form of the language will you use? For Latin, I think we try to be as
classical as possible, although there is some medieval and neo-Latin there
too. As far as I understand, the 9th century Wessex dialect is the most
attested form of Anglo-Saxon, right? Would you accept alternate
spelling/grammar found in other dialects (Northumbrian, perhaps)?
(As a side note, you would probably also want to specifically state that Old
English is not the same as "ye olde English", nor is it Chaucerian or
Shakespearian English, as has been mentioned already.)
Are there groups who still use Old English, from whom you can draw either
contributors or information on where to begin? Is there any information on
how to use OE words for modern concepts? For Latin it is fairly easy to find
Neo-Latin terms, but what if you want to write about Japan, for example, in
OE? I guess my point is, can OE still be used in a meaningful way, or will
you be limited by existing vocabulary?
I hope these questions/suggestions help, and I hope I can contribute when it
is created!
Adam Bishop
>From: Pierre Abbat <phma(a)phma.hn.org>
>Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
>To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
>Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: FW: Wikipedia for Old English
>Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:40:55 -0400
>
>On Thursday 05 August 2004 10:48, Karl Eichwalder wrote:
> > "James R. Johnson" <modean52(a)comcast.net> writes:
> > > I guess it's like Latin in being a dead language, but just as
> > > deserving of a Wiki.
> >
> > Encyclopedia writer should try to get the facts right before
posting.
> > Latin is still in use (and it was never dead). And, more
important,
> > Latin something like a sleeping lingua franca.
>
>"Dead" referring to a language means "having no native
speakers". Unlike Manx,
>which died with its last native speaker (but is still in use), Latin
died
>(but remained in use) when its descendants differentiated sufficiently
that
>none of them was Latin, which can't be pinpointed as precisely.
>
>phma
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I was just looking on Foundation's fund-rising page and have two comments.
1. I think that "Merchandise" and "Donations" should be separated,
similar to what http://www.mozilla.org/ does. I believe more people
would visit "Merchandise" or "WikiPedia merchandise" resulting in more
sales => more funding. I believe that because in people's minds
"donating" and "buying cool stuff" (even if it ultimately leads to
funding a good cause) is strongly separated.
In more specific terms, things that could be done:
* a link to "Merchandise" on main wikipedia.org page, in the nav
section, next to "Donations" link
* this link goes to a separate page on foundation's website which only
deals with merchandise (and not all donations options)
In general I think that foundation should study what Mozilla project
does for fundraising as they are not larger/more visible project but
according to http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=110721 they
do much better at getting funding via. t-shirt sales ($15,000.00 for
mozilla vs. $460.90 for wikipedia).
Things that I think mozilla.org does better:
* much nicer web design. No offense, but
http://wikimediafoundation.org/fundraising is bad, both functionally
(it's hard to read, the copy isn't that great) and visually (compare
to http://www.mozillastore.com/products/clothing)
* selling t-shirts on open-source conventions (linuxcon/oscon/devday)
which is what http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=110721
implies that mozilla foundation is doing (I don't really know, I
haven't been there)
2. More t-shirt designs.
I think that a design that gives emphasis on personal involvement in
the project would be more attractive to people than a generic design
with a logo. E.g. designs with teksts such as "I contribute to
WikiPedia.org" or "I wrote for Encyclopedia \n wikipedia.org", "I
write Encyclopedia articles \n wikipedia.org". I'm not claiming that
exactly this wording should be used - I just want to give an example
of what I mean (emphasis on contributing/writing for
WikiPedia/Encyclopedia).
Also, I think that Mozilla's "$50 donation t-shirt"
(http://www.mozillastore.com/products/donations/50shirt) is a good
idea. It could even had a text that says that e.g. "I donated to
WikiPedia", "I make Free Encyclopedia possible", "I fund Free
Encyclopedia" - something along those lines.
Krzysztof Kowalczyk | http://blog.kowalczyk.info
On the Nauruan wikipedia, they call their language Nauruose. On the interlinks it is called Nauruan. (http://na.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauruose)
As languages are indicated in the way it is written in that language, I think this should be amended.
On en: there is this _ugly_ message like "Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauri_language""
If this must be on each page, have it under the category with at least a blank line above it. The onus of referring to wikipedia is on the site that has copied wikipedia not for us to have this on our pages as well.
Thanks,
GerardM
In some recent messages, it was suggested to distribute OGG code.
An equal deserving cause are fonts to obscure (to me) fonts. I have been working on wiktionary and in the process I have had to find fonts for Khmer, Georgian, Cherokee and a few others. I have no clue if I have the best fonts in the ones that I picked/found.
By adopting fonts and promoting them, we stimulate the development of fonts, some cannot be had for free afaik like Etruscan.
The aim of Wikipedia is to share all the knowledge, this means that the knowledge must be visible. Promoting good free fonts and making them easily available is one way.
Thanks,
GerardM
Whereas Code 2000 may be a good start to support a lot of scripts, you
shouldn't repeat the claim of it being "free". It's shareware.
<cite>
If you like it and use it after a reasonable evaluation period,
you are obliged to register the font by sending me $5 (Five
U.S. Dollars, or equivalent in any currency.)
Registration Fee Schedule:
US$ 5.00 - Single user registration fee
US$ 50.00 - Single site registration fee
US$100.00 - Server/Web site (embedding) registration fee
</cite>
In fact it is speculated that James Kass would be able to live a leisurely
life if every user would actually pay him.
A very complete directory of available fonts is at:
http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/fonts.html
Regards,
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Timwi wrote:
> Roman Maurer wrote:
>
>> Gerard.Meijssen pravi:
>>
>>> The aim of Wikipedia is to share all the knowledge, this means
>>> that the knowledge must be visible. Promoting good free fonts
>>> and making them easily available is one way.
>>
>>
>> As it turn out there are problems with finding good *and* free fonts.
>
>
> There is a good and free font, and I already mentioned how to find it. Google for "Code2000". http://home.att.net/~jameskass/
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The Code2000 code is shareware. So it is expected that you pay for the privilige. Wikimedia is free and OGG is free, there are free fonts. There are fonts that for dead languages that are missing from Code2000 like Etruscan. My point was that by hosting the distribution of free fonts, promoting the development of free fonts we would enhance the wikimedia experience exactly like we would do with distributing OGG.
Thanks,
GerardM
ng them easily available is one way.
>>
>>
>> As it turn out there are problems with finding good *and* free fonts.
>
>
> There is a good and free font, and I already mentioned how to find it. Google for "Code2000". http://home.att.net/~jameskass/
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The Code2000 code is shareware. So it is expected that you pay for the privilige. Wikimedia is free and OGG is free, there are free fonts. There are fonts that for dead langua
Hi,
I have a question: How do you get the whole Wiki interface in your language
(so that it doesn't say "Main Page" but "Haaptsäit" for ex. in the menus) ?
I translated the language.php from the french version because I thought this
was it but apparently not. Can anyone help ? :)
Oh and we still need a Logo. It has been requested for quite some time now
but no one seems to be working on it so far. How long does that usually
take ?
Thanks a lot :-)
Caroline aka Briséis, http://lb.wikipedia.org
On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 04:41:09AM +0000, wikipedia-l-request(a)Wikimedia.org wrote:
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:38:28 -0700
> From: "Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales" <jwales(a)wikia.com>
> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] [bhorrocks(a)npg.org.uk: National Portrait
> Gallery images on Wikipedia website]
> To: wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org, wikien-l(a)wikimedia.org
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> It would please me greatly to be able to respond that their claims are
> preposterous. Shall we research this carefully?
>
I don't know about UK law, but the National Gallery of Victoria
in Australia (with the shared legal tradition I believe the copyright
laws are similar) seems to believe that they own the rights to any
photographs of the artworks they own, even if the artworks themselves
are in the public domain. You will note the copyright notice on
this Australian website:
http://www.artistsfootsteps.com/html/Artists_mccubbin.htm
This is despite the fact that McCubbin died in 1917.
I have been meaning to get around to making further enquiries into this
in the Australian context, but haven't got around to it. Given this
enquiry, it just got moved up my priority list.
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Hello!
I have a problem encoding the chess table in Slovene Wikipedia:
http://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uporabnik:Romanm/%C5%A0ahovska_deska
The upper-right version is twice-templated and subject to my question
since it is not working, the lower version does not use main template
and is there only for comparision.
The idea is to have [[Template:Chess_Position]] and use it like follows:
{{Chess_Position|white=white
|black=lightgray
|a1=
... other initialisations
|h8=
|h8=template for black knight
|g7=template for black king
|f7=template for white pawn
|e5=template for white king
|h4=template for white queen}}
I was using direct unicode characters instead of chess-piece templates,
but Internet Explorer users complained that they cannot see the
characters and they appeared in background color in Mozilla (*), so I
switched to templates that should display picture on the background.
But this does not work! Any hints where did I go wrong?
* Version with Unicode characters:
http://sl.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Uporabnik:Romanm/%C5%A0ahovska_d…
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 10:28:28AM +0000, Andre Engels wrote:
>
> I agree. It would also be good to have a discussion going with a gallery
> like this - what about offering them a link for each work of 'theirs' that's
> on our site. Problem is of course the GNU/FDL - as we do not believe them to
> be copyright holders, we cannot require of downstream users to keep that
> kind of thing.
>
I've tried this with a major Australian art gallery. Their multimedia
guy was very excited about the possibility of releasing "web-sized"
images of PD works and seeing them used in the web's best encyclopedia.
I got the distinct impression that the higher-ups weren't, and are still
pretty clueless about this sort of thing.
Still, just because *one* gallery didn't go for it, doesn't mean every
gallery will knock us back. I'm considering contacting one of the
*other* major galleries and pointing out to them the benefits of having
the works *they* have of famous Australian artists in the Wikipedia,
rather than the gallery that knocked us back :)
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