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>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:40:32 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Daniel Mayer <maveric149(a)yahoo.com>
>--- Felipe Sanches <felipe.sanches(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wikipedia new language request.
>> There are 182.1 million people in Brazil who use Brazilian
>> as their main language.
>> Brazilian Portuguese IS NOT the same as Portuguese (domain
>> pt.wikipedia.org) and it still isn't on the list
In Norway there are two official forms of written norwegian (bokm�l
~90% and nynorsk ~10%) that I suppose differ more than br_pt and pt_pt
judging from the comments here on the list. In addition there is one
(perhaps two) "unofficial" conservative form also in use(riksm�l),
especially by one of the first and most active contributors (Wolfram).
We have had some long and "disruptive" discussions and and I suspect
that new contributors /might/ have been turned off by the dominant form
bokm�l being used on the interface and on almost all articles.
Recently a new contributor has been wary of the dominance of bokm�l and
wanted to start a new nynorsk wikipedia, which has also been done, just
the discussions that ensued before and after have resulted in me making
this (roughly translated) policy, which nobody has disagreed with yet
(the most active users in the discussion have agreed):
1 Articles on the norwegian Wikipedia can be written in any currently
active form of norwegian.
2 Since Wikipedia is a [[wiki]], anyone ''can'' change the language
form of an article, it should then be up to this user to:
2.1 Change the language form of the whole article in one operation.
2.2 Move the article to a new name if needed.
2.3 Not do this to provoke or harm the work of others.
2.4 Communicate the content as good or better than before.
It is quite finished yet, I found some errors now, but I think this
will prevent the balkanization of the Norwegian Wikipedia.
There has been much talk about starting a repository for all kinds of
media. Pictures etc that have a license compatible with the ideas of
wikimedia. The idea lives to have one repository for all pictures so
that we need to store it only once.
The idea lives to make Wikicommons ?? the location where the userid's
for the wikimedia projects may live.
Anyway, Wikicommons does not exist and we have all these harddrives full
of our digital snapshots.that may eventually end up on wikisomewhere.
Wouldn't it be nice to start Wikicommons and have a place to dump these
pictures now for people to find?
Yes, we cannot use Wikicommons pictures in the diverse projects yet, but
now we do not have the pictures either. What is stopping us from
creating this space and get something going ??
Personally I have nice pictures from within the Vatican, a scull of a
Homo erectus etc etc. I have been to many musea and I have pictures a
plenty from Berlin, Prague, Budapest, Brussels, Oostvaardersplassen. I
am sure that I am not the only one with interesting pictures that are
usefull to others.
Please let us start the Wikicommons and add functionality when we think
of some, when we program some.
I just stumbled on
who apparently host 25000 images that are free for use. Consulting their
*1.* Are the images really free?
Yes, all images are really free and they can be used in your commercial
projects without permission or credit from the photogrpaher. Although
selling prints, selling the images directly or claiming the photo is
yours is prohibited.
*Note:* You are responsible for the content of the photos you use. It is
very much the same as if you had taken the photograph yourself, you must
still obtain proper permission for property or people depicted in the
photos if any.
This web site follows in the tradition of the world wide web. It is
dedicated in the proposition of free thought and exchange.
All that seems to be quite compatible with our line of efforts. Maybe we
can even convince them to license the images under GFDL; someone
"official" (foundation) should write a mail. At the very least, we can
use them in the wikipedia, as we do not intend to sell prints or files
"as such", but within an encyclopedia at most. A note to cite the
source, and not to sell these images as high-quality prints or files
should suffice; all other use is allowed.
The animal photos alone appear to be a gold mine for us.
"One additional etiquette guideline that you might consider is
something like our rule on en: "Articles which focus on a topic
specific to a particular English-speaking country should generally aim
to conform to the spelling of that country."
We've already discussed that (I proposed that!), but some disagreed, stating that we didnt need that.
in fact, We need to discuss "neutral words", not to raise future problems.
Pedro M. Vidal de Oliveira
(I´m not proficient in english language)
> Wikipedia new language request.
> There are 182.1 million people in Brazil who use Brazilian
> Portuguese as their main language.
> Brazilian Portuguese IS NOT the same as Portuguese (domain
> pt.wikipedia.org) and it still isn't on the list
This question had been discussed over and over again on pt.wikipedia.org and
every time we have concluded that the best way is to stay together.
And, yes, I´m from Brazil and my first language is brazilian portuguese.
(patrick @ pt.wikipédia)
(patrick-br @ meta.wikipedia)
Caruaru, PE (Brazil)
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Clique aqui: http://www.acessoaditivado.ig.com.br
E2m said it all. But I'll add: I think our wikipedia is very peaceful, we work together in a cooperative way and there's no problem, we're are growing fast now. A few days ago a guy came (that one that João Miranda said) and caused disturbs. Portuguese lang. Wikipedia is a friendly and fun wikipedia with adult, fun and w/cultivated people - we like to play sometimes. It was just one user - Lets not overreact, because of a personal view of the word, which wants to mislead non-speaks and destroy our community and aims. BTW we're relearning each others culture and I (personally and mostly) prefer to use international Portuguese already even if it is not implemented yet. It is promised that will be soon, it was decided in July. And the diversity of the language will not be harmed; it will just unify the orthography (today's differences in writting are in the same level has in English). There is virtually no problem in comprehension between different speakers in different countries (just some words gained a different meaning in one country and some are written differently - these are a very small amount of words) - we are the Portuguese-Brazilian Encyclopedia (Enciclopédia Luso-Brasileira) in the Internet, and we'll be better than the physical one!
Pedro M. Vidal de Oliveira
Póvoa de Varzim, Porto, Portugal
Hello wikipedians all around the world!
I am Christian aka SirJective from the german WP, and want to promote some
knowledge about a database flaw that can be handled by sysops.
Did you ever ask yourselves why the "What links here" page of some articles
lists articles that don't link there?
Or found articles listed on Special:Shortpages that are not short (at least not
as short as listed on that page)?
Or articles listed on Special:Lonelypages that are not orphaned?
One possible solution is that these articles have duplicates, entries in the
database tables with the exact same title. Only one of these duplicates is
visible, but all of them contribute to automatically generated article lists.
These doubled entries are probably created, when a user wants to save a new
article and clicks "Save page" several times. Instead of ignoring the request or
saving the requests as different revisions of one article, the server creates
new articles. The technical details are being discussed at wikitech-l under the
The doubled database entries can be removed by sysops who delete and undelete
these articles. All but the newest copy will then be marked as older revisions
of one article. At the german WP this worked nearly perfectly; some redirects
were missed, probably by deleting the redirection target, not the redirect page
I (and some users before me) created some lists of double database entries for
different languages, and all databases I checked have those entries. I uploaded
lists for en:, de: and nl: wikipedia. See
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_titles for some more information and
links to the lists.
You could run SQL queries to get lists of double entries on your WP, but I
suggest downloading a dump, see http://download.wikimedia.org, and running the
query on this dump. I would be happy to create these lists for other WPs, as
soon as some sysop from the other WP is willing to work on this problem.
Christian aka SirJective