Sehr geehrter Herr Enders,
herzlichen Dank für Ihren Rückruf. Wie telephonisch vereinbart,
übersende ich Ihnen meine Kontaktdaten und der Punkt, der mir derzeit am
Herzen liegt.
Auf welcher Seite auf babylon.com ist die transparente Kopie des
Glossars im Sinne der GNU FDL abrufbar?
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Mathias Schindler
neubau(a)presroi.de
(+49) 069 94598623
Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales wrote:
>It looks like people are translating this form:
>
>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation/New_upload_form
>
>But this form is clearly inferior to the one proposed by Erik on
>this page:
>
>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Commons
>
In terms of design, Erik's might well be an improvement. But I'm not
sure where it was in terms of development, I only know there's a couple
of nice pictures of how it would look. With Andre's (Sansculotte's)
form, I understood the form itself was pretty much ready to go. Maybe if
we can superimpose Erik's layout on Andre's work, we would be able to
combine the best parts from each.
Erik's design is also set up with the specific Wikimedia Commons
proposal in mind. That project still seems to be waiting for some
impetus to get off the ground. I know there was some difference of
opinion as to how much preparation was needed before rollout, but maybe
it would make sense to use the new upload form as a reason to get that
project actually started?
--Michael Snow
I'm sorry for the profusion of mails on this issue, but I think it's
kind of important.
Google reveals that the Museum Copyright Group in the UK had a presentation
on museum copyright issues in 2003 by the "Peter Wienand, Partner and Head of
Intellectual Property, Farrer &CO"
They were so kind to place their material online here:
http://www.mda.org.uk/mcopyg/event02.htm
He has some very interesting things to say about the issues we are
interested. Let me quote some relevant sections:
2. What is the nature of a copyrighted work?
* Works need to show originality, and/or skill and judgement
* Many copyrights may exist in any work or in an archival file.
9. How can rights be enforced in the taking of photographs of archival
material?
* This is difficult to do under copyright law
* However, rights can be enforced under contract law
11. Are there any rights issue relating to facsimiles?
* This relates directly to whether there is any copyright protection
afforded to photographs of art works. Although this has never been
properly tested in the UK, there is probably enough skill and
judgement in the photos of art works to afford them copyright
protection in their own right
So, there we are...nobody knows what the law is in this situation is.
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Okay, I installed a 90-days trial version of this "babylon" software and
I installed that "Olympic Games Glossary"
The description says:
Autor: Babylon Ltd./Wikipedia
Autor eMail: info(a)babylon.com
Beschreibung: Quick reference for the Summer Olympic Games. The glossary
includes historical information, the Olympic sports and disciplines,
country codes and general background information.
All articles are based on Wikipedia's material on the Olympic Games, and
were edited by Babylon. This glossary is licensed under the GNU Free
Documentation License.
(wikipedia links to wikipedia.com, GNU FDL links to gnu.org and the
license url)
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Here's an example article:
Olympia
Olympia, a city of ancient Greece in Elis, is known for having been the
site of the Olympic Games in classical times. Held every olympiad (i.e.
every four years), the Olympic Games dating back at least as far as 776
BC. At the end of the 4th century, emperor Theodosius abolished them.
Olympia is also known for its gigantic Zeus statue made of ivory and
gold, one of the Seven Wonders of the World, made by Phidias.
Excavation of the Olympia temple district and its surroundings, mostly
conducted by German archeologists in the late 19th and early 20th
century, also uncovered the Hermes of Praxiteles statue and the stadium,
where the running contests took place.
This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License
(http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html).
It uses material from the Wikipedia article "Olympic Games"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_games).
These links cannot be clicked. A local copy of the license seems to be
missing.
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Since the Press Release was German, I made a phone call to Munich and
asked them for a transparent copy.
Well, at least they were able to repeat the word "transparent" and they
confirmed that this glossary is made out of wikipedia content.
A tech guy will call me back tomorrow (it's after work hours here).
Anyway, the software seems to be similar to mobipocket and tomeraider.
It the software scales up to the en-size of wikipedia, it might be
interesting just to support this crappy proprietary format as long as we
don't have a GPLed offline reading format (please correct me if I'm wrong).
I suggest we kindly tell them that it's fine and great to use wikipedia
content and that it could be so easy to stick to the license. Requesting
a version 1.1 and providing a transparent copy wouldn't harm them...
Mathias
http://info.babylon.com/cgi-bin/temp.cgi?id=47768&layout=gt_new.html
please note that there seems to be missing an transparent copy. I can't
tell if the compliance to the GFDL is lacking only in this point.
Here's a German Press release mentioning it:
[ BoxID 23510 ]
Neue Babylon-Glossare für die Olympischen Sommerspiele 2004 in Athen
Aus aktuellem Anlass gibt Babylon zwei kostenlose Glossare für
sportbegeisterte Babylon-Anwender heraus: Hintergrundinformationen und
Wettkampfprogramm per Mausklick
München, 05.08.2004. - Babylon, der bekannte Hersteller des
gleichnamigen 1-Klick-Wissens- und Übersetzungstools, ergänzt
rechtzeitig seine große Sammlung um zwei Glossare mit Hintergrundwissen
über die Olympischen Spiele 2004. Damit erhalten Babylon-Anwender
sofortigen Zugriff auf allgemeine Informationen über die Sommerspiele in
Athen und den Zeitplan der Wettbewerbe, alles mit einem einzigen Mausklick.
Das Olympic Games Glossary ist eine allgemeine Übersicht und enthält 322
Definitionen mit historischen Informationen, allen Sportarten und
Disziplinen, Länderkürzeln und Hintergrundinformationen. Alle Artikel
stammen aus dem Material von Wikipedia (www.wikipedia.com) und wurden
von Babylon bearbeitet und integriert.
Der Olympic Games Schedule enthält das Programm der Wettkämpfe mit Datum
und Uhrzeit. Die Anwender brauchen nur auf den Namen ihrer
Lieblingssportart zu klicken und erhalten sofort das jeweilige
Wettkampf-Programm im bekannten Babylon-Fenster auf Ihrem Bildschirm
angezeigt.
Wissen und Wörterbücher
Die beiden Glossare zu den Olympischen Sommerspielen sind nur zwei aus
Babylons großer Sammlung von Glossaren, die allen Babylon Anwendern
kostenlos zur Verfügung stehen. Die breite Palette deckt verschiedenste
Themen ab. Der Freizeit- und Sport-Index umfasst alleine Dutzende von
Informationsquellen zu Sportarten wie Bogenschießen, Reiten, Fitness,
Golf, Kampfsport, Motorsport, Tennis und Fußball. Darüber hinaus
erhalten interessierte Anwender u.a. Glossare zu Computer & Internet,
Wirtschaft, Unterhaltung und Recht. Die Glossare stammen von bekannten
Firmen wie Britannica, Amazon, Accuweather und Cnet News oder von der
Babylon-Benutzergemeinde.
Die beiden neuen Glossare sind als kostenlose Ergänzung für
Babylon-Anwender von der Website www.babylon.com (unter Wörterbücher und
Glossare) erhältlich und können einfach und schnell aus dem Internet
lokal auf den PC geladen werden.
"Zu wichtigen und populären Ereignissen gibt Babylon traditionell
kostenlose Glossare für seine Anwender heraus. Die beiden Glossare zu
den Olympischen Sommerspielen 2004 bieten Amateuren und Profis im
Sportbereich übersichtliche und praktische Informationen zum wichtigsten
Sportereignis der Welt mit einem einfachen Mausklick", erklärt Reinhard
Dobelmann, Geschäftsführer der Babylon GmbH in München.
Ansprechpartner:
Frau Claudia Pulfer
eMail: c.pulfer(a)babylon.com
Telefon: 089 / 96273-190
Herr Dr. Philipp Grieb
eMail: ph(a)itredaktion.de
Telefon: +49-89-642 56765, Mobil +49-178-864 2734
Zuständigkeitsbereich: Media Relations, IT-Redaktion
It would please me greatly to be able to respond that their claims are
preposterous. Shall we research this carefully?
----- Forwarded message from Bernard Horrocks <bhorrocks(a)npg.org.uk> -----
From: "Bernard Horrocks" <bhorrocks(a)npg.org.uk>
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:23:33 +0100
To: <jwales(a)bomis.com>
Subject: National Portrait Gallery images on Wikipedia website
Dear Sir,
We notice you have a number of images on your website (e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare; <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_of_Denmark> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_of_Denmark ) which are of portraits in the collection of the National Portrait Gallery, London.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
As we do not appear to have licensed copies of these portraits for use on your website, we wondered whether you would let us know the source from which you obtained the reproductions.
All photographs, scans, text and other material on the National Portrait Gallery's website are protected by international copyright laws. Unauthorised reproduction of such content may be an infringement of such laws.
I look forward to hearing from you regarding this matter.
Yours sincerely,
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Brion Vibber wrote:
> Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> All the more reason for us to get the new upload form up and running,
>> so that people have to say what the source for an image is up front,
>> instead of us chasing them down after the fact to find out where they
>> got it. What are we waiting for at this point?
>
> I'll just point out that people already have to say where they got
> their images from. You people *are* deleting images without source
> information, right?
Well, the way I would put it is that people are _supposed to_ give the
source, but I find it difficult to say they _have to_ when the current
upload form doesn't require it. As far as I know, at least on en:, image
deletion is focused on images that are obsolete and no longer needed. I
don't think much is being deleted for lacking source information, and
some new images are still being uploaded without source information.
My recollection of Jimbo's previous pronouncements on this issue is that
it he made it pretty clear that noncommercial-use-only images are out of
the question. But beyond that, with respect to images that are poorly
documented or debatable for other reasons like fair use, I had the
impression that we shouldn't start the deletion binge until all the
uploaders were clear about the policy, and had time to correct their
mistakes. As a result, I've been waiting for a new upload form before
actively pushing for deletion of undocumented images.
--Michael Snow
Hello all,
I would like to request and start a wikipedia for Old English. The ISO
code is ang, and there are 3 mailing/discussion lists for the language. If
anyone could help me out in getting it started, I'd appreciate it.
James
With regards to the discussion on British galleries' rights to claim
copyright over pictures of their PD artworks, I've dug up the relevant
piece of legislation. It is, frankly, a very dumb piece of legislation,
but in my non-lawyer opinion here are the relevant clauses:
>From the British Copyright, Design and Patents Act 1988:
In Section 4
(1)In this Part "artistic work" means.
(a)a graphic work, photograph, sculpture or collage, irrespective of
artistic quality,
...
"photograph" means a recording of light or other radiation
on any medium on which an image is produced or from which an
image may by any means be produced, and which is not part of
a film;
>From Section 17:
(1)The copying of the work is an act restricted by the copyright in
every description of copyright work; and references in this Part to
copying and copies shall be construed as follows.
(2)Copying in relation to a literary, dramatic, musical or
artistic work means reproducing the work in any material form.
This includes storing the work in any medium by electronic means.
(3)In relation to an artistic work copying includes the making
of a copy in three dimensions of a two-dimensional work and the
making of a copy in two dimensions of a three-dimensional work.
Not very promising.
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robert.merkel(a)benambra.org
http://benambra.org
Nicole Kidman and director Lars Von Trier had a famously difficult
relationship making the movie Dogville.
At the end of filming Nicole finally snapped, and tearfully asked Lars
"What do I have to do to make you like me?"
Von Trier's reply?
"F*&^ me and give me all your money."
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