Hello wikipedians all around the world!
I am Christian aka SirJective from the german WP, and want to promote some
knowledge about a database flaw that can be handled by sysops.
Did you ever ask yourselves why the "What links here" page of some articles
lists articles that don't link there?
Or found articles listed on Special:Shortpages that are not short (at least not
as short as listed on that page)?
Or articles listed on Special:Lonelypages that are not orphaned?
One possible solution is that these articles have duplicates, entries in the
database tables with the exact same title. Only one of these duplicates is
visible, but all of them contribute to automatically generated article lists.
These doubled entries are probably created, when a user wants to save a new
article and clicks "Save page" several times. Instead of ignoring the request or
saving the requests as different revisions of one article, the server creates
new articles. The technical details are being discussed at wikitech-l under the
same subject.
The doubled database entries can be removed by sysops who delete and undelete
these articles. All but the newest copy will then be marked as older revisions
of one article. At the german WP this worked nearly perfectly; some redirects
were missed, probably by deleting the redirection target, not the redirect page
itself.
I (and some users before me) created some lists of double database entries for
different languages, and all databases I checked have those entries. I uploaded
lists for en:, de: and nl: wikipedia. See
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_titles for some more information and
links to the lists.
You could run SQL queries to get lists of double entries on your WP, but I
suggest downloading a dump, see http://download.wikimedia.org, and running the
query on this dump. I would be happy to create these lists for other WPs, as
soon as some sysop from the other WP is willing to work on this problem.
Christian aka SirJective
Hello.
An email arrived at japanese wikipedia's press contact
mailinglist regarding Web Creation Award. It is an award
given to people who made significant difference in the web
in Japan. The host of the award is an association of
advertisers, though the recipients of the awards are not
limited to marketing campaign planners. Wikipedia is under
consideration because someone made a recommendation. :-)
As a part of selection process, they would like to do
some interview. The person who emailed us expressed that
he would like to find the person who started the Japanese
Wikipedia, someone who came up with the idea, plan, or
determination. Who exactly this is, I think, is somewhat up
to interpretation. Is there any strong candidate?
I recall reading early Wikipedia-l posting (perhaps by Larry and/or Jason)
announcing the launch of several non-English Wikipedia
circa May 2001. Japanese Wikipedia was among the first
ones. Is there anybody who remembers how that happened?
Was multilingualization of Wikipedia an idea of Jimmy
and Larry from the beginning? Or was there someone else
who suggested/ pushed for it? Is there any reason why
Japanese was among the first?
In the early days, Aoineko was kind of "stationed" when
there was only several edits a week, and welcomed the
logged on users (there were only several back then) if
I understand correct. Brion was there to fix bugs and
take care of other technical aspects, too. The first
article seems to have been written by RoseParks (phonemes
of Japanese). But there are only fragmental traces and
virtually nobody knows those early days. Could somebody
inform us of people who made significant contributions?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Regards,
Tomos
More info. is available on the award at here (in Japanese):
http://award.wab.ne.jp/award/index.html
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Hi-
Yes, I did write the first article on Japanese, but it was on the English wikipedia. It is located, in much enhanced form at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Language
It is one of the first 100 or so articles in the English Wikipedia. I did not, however, have anything to do with the Japanese wikipedia.
I hope this helps...
As Ever,
Ruth Ifcher
User:RoseParks
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> Hello.
>
> An email arrived at japanese wikipedia's press contact
> mailinglist regarding Web Creation Award. It is an award
> given to people who made significant difference in the web
> in Japan. The host of the award is an association of
> advertisers, though the recipients of the awards are not
> limited to marketing campaign planners. Wikipedia is under
> consideration because someone made a recommendation. :-)
>
> As a part of selection process, they would like to do
> some interview. The person who emailed us expressed that
> he would like to find the person who started the Japanese
> Wikipedia, someone who came up with the idea, plan, or
> determination. Who exactly this is, I think, is somewhat up
> to interpretation. Is there any strong candidate?
>
> I recall reading early Wikipedia-l posting (perhaps by Larry and/or Jason)
> announcing the launch of several non-English Wikipedia
> circa May 2001. Japanese Wikipedia was among the first
> ones. Is there anybody who remembers how that happened?
> Was multilingualization of Wikipedia an idea of Jimmy
> and Larry from the beginning? Or was there someone else
> who suggested/ pushed for it? Is there any reason why
> Japanese was among the first?
>
> In the early days, Aoineko was kind of "stationed" when
> there was only several edits a week, and welcomed the
> logged on users (there were only several back then) if
> I understand correct. Brion was there to fix bugs and
> take care of other technical aspects, too. The first
> article seems to have been written by RoseParks (phonemes
> of Japanese). But there are only fragmental traces and
> virtually nobody knows those early days. Could somebody
> inform us of people who made significant contributions?
>
> Thank you in advance for your help.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Tomos
>
> More info. is available on the award at here (in Japanese):
>
> http://award.wab.ne.jp/award/index.html
>
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Hello,
I am Milos and I am bureaucrat on sr:
First of all, I have to tell you some introduction in our alphabet problems.
Until the second half of 19th century Serbs used only Cyrillic alphabet. (In the ancient history, Serbs was using Latin and Glagolic alphabet for a short time, but without stronger cultural consequences.) Between the second half of 19th century and the end of The Second World War, Latin alphabet was not used a lot; it was used by very small number of writers. After the end of WWII, strong cultural influence of Communist Party of Yugoslavia gave to Serbs active usage of Latin alphabet. During 1980's and 1990's Latin alphabet was used more often then Cyrillic (maybe 60%, maybe even 70%). Today, the situation is something about 50-50 with tendency of Cyrillic usage growth. In this moment we have very strong xenophobic movement. A lot of them are very active on Internet and on Wikipedia, too. They do not accept Latin alphabet as "Serbian". Even a lot of people use Latin alphabet.
I made voting for the question: Would Serbian Wikipedia has Latin pages too? Even the end of August is the end of voting for that question, I think that usage of Latin alphabet would not pass. Situation is 4:2 against and Serbian Wikipedia doesn't have a lot of active users (we have one or two new users which can't vote).
Even I use Cyrillic alphabet, I relies that usage of Latin alphabet is important for us: We have significant minority (about 50%!) of Latin users and if anyone starts to search on Internet, (s)he uses Latin alphabet, not Cyrillic (usually even without Serbian Latin letters). We have very ironic situation: If you type the name of one of Serbian 19th century writers, Radoje Domanovic (in Serbian Cyrillic: Радоје Домановић, in Serbian Latin: Radoje Domanović) in Google, you will get: (1) Cyrillic: Serbian Wikipedia is on the first place; (2) Any Latin: Wikipedia doesn't exists.
So, I think that we can do something like this: We can make secondary Serbian Wikipedia using secondary two-letters code for Serbian language: sp. It would not be "real" Wikipedia, because it should be used only for transliteration of Cyrillic Wikipedia (transliteration from Serbian Cyrillic to Serbian Latin is algorithmic, the reverse process is fuzzy). All of the pages on sp: should be "protected" and when someone writes something on Cyrillic Wikipedia, it should be transliterated to Latin, too. Also, all of users should be the same.
I think it is good solution because we would not have multiplication of work (such as we have now: Croatian, Bosnian and Serbo-Croatian Wikipedias are using the (very, very) almost the same language). All of people would work on sr:, not on sp:.
Also, I have some notes to developers (if the request passes): about technical solution for that. It would not any consequence to Wikimedia's performances because it is (almost) row transliteration.
Best,
Milos
P.S. For admins of the list: Delete my pending message from millosh(a)users.sourceforge.net because this message is the same.
Ask when you want, I prefer the week-end, I have more spare time :)
Shaihulud
>
>I have been informed by Walter that nl:wikipedia had decideded quite
>some time ago to move to UTF-8. At the time it was not such a
>good idea
>as UTF-8 does take more room.
>
>However, as many other wikipedia like de: and es: have made the
>conversion, it is a good idea to ask for the nl:wikipedia to be
>converted. We have asked if there are people on nl: that have opposing
>views, there were none.
>
>As nl:wikipedia is a very active environment, some prior
>notice would be
>appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
> GerardM
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Recently, an anonymous user only writing on talk pages has started
attacking me heavily on the Persian Wikipedia (and also a little on
the English one). He has also threatened me on the Persian Wikipedia
with "I will start a war, both here and on the English Wikipedia. I
will also get you kicked out of the Persian Academy" and things like
that, and has ridiculed us by saying that blocking his IP address
won't stop him, as he is using dynamic addresses. This is some of his
more polite wording (in English), where he is calling me a "wild dog":
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Roozbeh&diff=5194299&o…
Unfortunately, there is only one other admin on the Persian Wikipedia
besides me, I will not have access to the Internet for some time
starting this Wednesday, and the process for electing a few new admin
won't end until at least two weeks (and there are not so many eligible
candidates either).
Any recommendations?
roozbeh
I have been informed by Walter that nl:wikipedia had decideded quite
some time ago to move to UTF-8. At the time it was not such a good idea
as UTF-8 does take more room.
However, as many other wikipedia like de: and es: have made the
conversion, it is a good idea to ask for the nl:wikipedia to be
converted. We have asked if there are people on nl: that have opposing
views, there were none.
As nl:wikipedia is a very active environment, some prior notice would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
GerardM
Maybe you should take a look at http://www.archive.org for ja.wikipedia.com
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>Wikipedia
>Envoyé : mardi 17 août 2004 11:04
>À : wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org
>Objet : [Wikipedia-l] Does anyone knows the beginning of ja?
>
>
>Hello.
>
>An email arrived at japanese wikipedia's press contact
>mailinglist regarding Web Creation Award. It is an award
>given to people who made significant difference in the web
>in Japan. The host of the award is an association of
>advertisers, though the recipients of the awards are not
>limited to marketing campaign planners. Wikipedia is under
>consideration because someone made a recommendation. :-)
>
>As a part of selection process, they would like to do
>some interview. The person who emailed us expressed that
>he would like to find the person who started the Japanese
>Wikipedia, someone who came up with the idea, plan, or
>determination. Who exactly this is, I think, is somewhat up
>to interpretation. Is there any strong candidate?
>
>I recall reading early Wikipedia-l posting (perhaps by Larry
>and/or Jason)
>announcing the launch of several non-English Wikipedia
>circa May 2001. Japanese Wikipedia was among the first
>ones. Is there anybody who remembers how that happened?
>Was multilingualization of Wikipedia an idea of Jimmy
>and Larry from the beginning? Or was there someone else
>who suggested/ pushed for it? Is there any reason why
>Japanese was among the first?
>
>In the early days, Aoineko was kind of "stationed" when
>there was only several edits a week, and welcomed the
>logged on users (there were only several back then) if
>I understand correct. Brion was there to fix bugs and
>take care of other technical aspects, too. The first
>article seems to have been written by RoseParks (phonemes
>of Japanese). But there are only fragmental traces and
>virtually nobody knows those early days. Could somebody
>inform us of people who made significant contributions?
>
>Thank you in advance for your help.
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Tomos
>
>More info. is available on the award at here (in Japanese):
>
>http://award.wab.ne.jp/award/index.html
>
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Hi,
I just found an AT&T demo site for text-to-speech synthesis:
http://www.research.att.com/projects/tts/demo.html
which appears to generate *way* better speech than I got from other
(local installation) demos.
They want to sell it, of course, but I thought we should ask them for a
cooperation. This would be the ultimate demonstration for their software
(better than a million people typing "this is a test"), and it could
enable us to provide access to the "visually impaired" without the need
for a local text-to-speech browser, and with better speech quality. Or
it could be a "convenience link", like "read this article to me, I'm too
lazy to move my eyes" (or: wikipedia for mp3 players? ;-)
As Wikipedia has a good and innovative image, and since we wouldn't buy
their product anyway, I guess AT&T would be interested in such a thing.
Question is, would we?
Magnus
The following is a mediawiki feature request concerning improvements to make
cross-language cooperation and translation more attractive. I also posted it
to the enormous feature-request- and bug-report-wiki on meta, which is
probably better to read, because of the HTML formatting.
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.3_comments_and_bug_reports#Featu…)
The unfortunate fact is that today the wikipedias reinvent the wheel for every
language. The only relationship that sometimes exists, is that articles get
translated from one language to another. Each of the changes that are then
made in both versions of the article benefits only the wikipedia of one
langauge.
This is not only a problem for the smaller wikipedias. Especially local
information is much better represented in the wikipedia of the regional
language, and it would be beneficial for the english wikipedia, if that
information were to be imported. Also some pages (I only know about german)
in foreign language versions are written from an interesting other
perspective or just have more work done, because some people speaking that
language happened to be very interested in the subject.
The reason why I personally don't translate wikipedia articles, is because I
feel that instead of benefiting wikipedia, I split up the manpower between
the english and the german version. This would change, if the work in one
language would benefit the wikipedia of another.
What I suggest is:
(1) The possibility to maintain a relationship to the link of the article in
other languages, like
- translated from (this article is a translation of the article in that
language)
- translated to (this article has been translated to that language)
- independent (the content of the article is language specific)
- unmerged (no translation in either direction known)
- merged/corresponding (people work on the article in both languages, changes
in both articles get applied to the other one)
(2) A counter that counts up from the last edit made with a special keyword,
an trans-lingual edit could then be called something like "cross-language
[german] in: Added new section, out: rearrangement of introduction". Such a
counter could either count the changes made in the other language, the
changes made in this edit, both added up, or preferably both beside each
other to get a glimpse on which one is more dominant.
(3) A special page, that lists the topics that have the highest counter
between this and another language, for people interested in translating
articles.
The better the articles get, the more sense does it make to translate the
content. Making translation more attractive is beneficial for both the main
(adding local information) and the language (more/higher quality content)
wikipedias.