We have a time set for an edit-a-thon in Berkeley from 12:30 - 5:00 at the Berkeley Public Library. I will try to do additional publicity, but there is a web page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Berkeley_Edit-a-thon
(Thanks for Shreyas Patankar!)
I'm not a master editor, so I'd like to know if we have someone who would be comfortable providing an intro to WP editing at the 12:30 time slot. I'm also looking around for handouts, cheat sheets, etc. on editing that we could have available. (I'm happy to do the copying for those.)
Before the day I'd like to identify a few topics or pages that we can suggest for attendees who don't come with their own agenda.
Thanks, kc
I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations for education program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET as my basic handout type thing; it can be printed out, but we can also just give people the link (since presumably everyone will have a laptop with them.) There are a few others floating around, but I think WP:CHEATSHEET is the easiest/most compact to use.
I'll also try to come up with some possible topics and add them to the editathon page within the next few days.
Thanks, Kevin Gorman
Thanks, Kevin! I find that when I'm not in a two-screen situation, it helps to have cheat sheets separate, so I will print out some for those who, like me, can forget the cheat from one window to the next. :-)
kc
On 8/25/13 3:00 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote:
I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations for education program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET as my basic handout type thing; it can be printed out, but we can also just give people the link (since presumably everyone will have a laptop with them.) There are a few others floating around, but I think WP:CHEATSHEET is the easiest/most compact to use.
I'll also try to come up with some possible topics and add them to the editathon page within the next few days.
Thanks, Kevin Gorman
I'm planning to come, and I'm going to try to edit on some trans topics ("gender identity disorder" and stuff like that), since they are presumably getting a lot of traffic these days, and the articles aren't very good.
(That said, my track record of actually editing at an editathon is pretty poor: I mostly end up talking or hanging out, not editing. But I am going to try.)
Thanks, Sue On Aug 25, 2013 3:00 PM, "Kevin Gorman" kgorman@gmail.com wrote:
I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations for education program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET as my basic handout type thing; it can be printed out, but we can also just give people the link (since presumably everyone will have a laptop with them.) There are a few others floating around, but I think WP:CHEATSHEET is the easiest/most compact to use.
I'll also try to come up with some possible topics and add them to the editathon page within the next few days.
Thanks, Kevin Gorman
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Sue, great. Do you have a sense of what your sources will be? I'm thinking that we could have some "reference materials" in the room on our topics. In addition, BPL has some journal subscriptions that might be useful. (SFPL has more, if you have a library card with them.)
I know what you mean about "actually editing." Sometimes you don't get much done, but I find I do get a lot of stimulation for later edits.
kc
On 8/26/13 11:44 AM, Sue Gardner wrote:
I'm planning to come, and I'm going to try to edit on some trans topics ("gender identity disorder" and stuff like that), since they are presumably getting a lot of traffic these days, and the articles aren't very good.
(That said, my track record of actually editing at an editathon is pretty poor: I mostly end up talking or hanging out, not editing. But I am going to try.)
Thanks, Sue
On Aug 25, 2013 3:00 PM, "Kevin Gorman" <kgorman@gmail.com mailto:kgorman@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations for education program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET as my basic handout type thing; it can be printed out, but we can also just give people the link (since presumably everyone will have a laptop with them.) There are a few others floating around, but I think WP:CHEATSHEET is the easiest/most compact to use. I'll also try to come up with some possible topics and add them to the editathon page within the next few days. Thanks, Kevin Gorman _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
I usually find my sources through Google Books (plus I have a hard copy of Julia Serano's Whipping Girl). I'll check my Google Books bookmarks, probably tonight, and send them to this list. The journal subscriptions will be really useful for me too -- I don't have access to anything that's not publicly available.
Thanks, Sue On Aug 26, 2013 1:06 PM, "Karen Coyle" kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
Sue, great. Do you have a sense of what your sources will be? I'm thinking that we could have some "reference materials" in the room on our topics. In addition, BPL has some journal subscriptions that might be useful. (SFPL has more, if you have a library card with them.)
I know what you mean about "actually editing." Sometimes you don't get much done, but I find I do get a lot of stimulation for later edits.
kc
On 8/26/13 11:44 AM, Sue Gardner wrote:
I'm planning to come, and I'm going to try to edit on some trans topics ("gender identity disorder" and stuff like that), since they are presumably getting a lot of traffic these days, and the articles aren't very good.
(That said, my track record of actually editing at an editathon is pretty poor: I mostly end up talking or hanging out, not editing. But I am going to try.)
Thanks, Sue
On Aug 25, 2013 3:00 PM, "Kevin Gorman" <kgorman@gmail.com mailto:kgorman@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations for education program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET>as my basic handout type thing; it can be printed out, but we can also just give people the link (since presumably everyone will have a laptop with them.) There are a few others floating around, but I think WP:CHEATSHEET is the easiest/most compact to use. I'll also try to come up with some possible topics and add them to the editathon page within the next few days. Thanks, Kevin Gorman ______________________________**_________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.**org <Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.**wikimedia.org<Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org>https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf>-- Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
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I'll come with a VPN set up to UCB's campus that will allow me to pull down articles from almost all academic journals for people as needed.
---- Kevin Gorman
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Sue Gardner sgardner@wikimedia.org wrote:
I usually find my sources through Google Books (plus I have a hard copy of Julia Serano's Whipping Girl). I'll check my Google Books bookmarks, probably tonight, and send them to this list. The journal subscriptions will be really useful for me too -- I don't have access to anything that's not publicly available.
Thanks, Sue On Aug 26, 2013 1:06 PM, "Karen Coyle" kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
Sue, great. Do you have a sense of what your sources will be? I'm thinking that we could have some "reference materials" in the room on our topics. In addition, BPL has some journal subscriptions that might be useful. (SFPL has more, if you have a library card with them.)
I know what you mean about "actually editing." Sometimes you don't get much done, but I find I do get a lot of stimulation for later edits.
kc
On 8/26/13 11:44 AM, Sue Gardner wrote:
I'm planning to come, and I'm going to try to edit on some trans topics ("gender identity disorder" and stuff like that), since they are presumably getting a lot of traffic these days, and the articles aren't very good.
(That said, my track record of actually editing at an editathon is pretty poor: I mostly end up talking or hanging out, not editing. But I am going to try.)
Thanks, Sue
On Aug 25, 2013 3:00 PM, "Kevin Gorman" <kgorman@gmail.com mailto:kgorman@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations for education program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET>as my basic handout type thing; it can be printed out, but we can also just give people the link (since presumably everyone will have a laptop with them.) There are a few others floating around, but I think WP:CHEATSHEET is the easiest/most compact to use. I'll also try to come up with some possible topics and add them to the editathon page within the next few days. Thanks, Kevin Gorman ______________________________**_________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.**org<Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.**wikimedia.org<Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org>https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf>-- Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 m: 1-510-435-8234 skype: kcoylenet
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OK, you can be the reference librarian!
kc
On 8/26/13 1:59 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote:
I'll come with a VPN set up to UCB's campus that will allow me to pull down articles from almost all academic journals for people as needed.
Kevin Gorman
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Sue Gardner <sgardner@wikimedia.org mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org> wrote:
I usually find my sources through Google Books (plus I have a hard copy of Julia Serano's Whipping Girl). I'll check my Google Books bookmarks, probably tonight, and send them to this list. The journal subscriptions will be really useful for me too -- I don't have access to anything that's not publicly available. Thanks, Sue On Aug 26, 2013 1:06 PM, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>> wrote: Sue, great. Do you have a sense of what your sources will be? I'm thinking that we could have some "reference materials" in the room on our topics. In addition, BPL has some journal subscriptions that might be useful. (SFPL has more, if you have a library card with them.) I know what you mean about "actually editing." Sometimes you don't get much done, but I find I do get a lot of stimulation for later edits. kc On 8/26/13 11:44 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: I'm planning to come, and I'm going to try to edit on some trans topics ("gender identity disorder" and stuff like that), since they are presumably getting a lot of traffic these days, and the articles aren't very good. (That said, my track record of actually editing at an editathon is pretty poor: I mostly end up talking or hanging out, not editing. But I am going to try.) Thanks, Sue On Aug 25, 2013 3:00 PM, "Kevin Gorman" <kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com> <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com>>> wrote: I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations for education program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET> as my basic handout type thing; it can be printed out, but we can also just give people the link (since presumably everyone will have a laptop with them.) There are a few others floating around, but I think WP:CHEATSHEET is the easiest/most compact to use. I'll also try to come up with some possible topics and add them to the editathon page within the next few days. Thanks, Kevin Gorman _________________________________________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.__org <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.__wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf> -- Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 <tel:1-510-540-7596> m: 1-510-435-8234 <tel:1-510-435-8234> skype: kcoylenet _________________________________________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.__org <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
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Gah. I just realized I'm out of town that weekend so I won't be at the editathon. That's a shame --- I'd been looking forward to it.
FWIW though, in case anybody wants to edit on transgender issues, here are the books I've been working from. I'm not saying they're the best, but they seem fine :-)
Thanks, Sue
* Men Trapped in Men's Bodies: Narratives of Autogynephilic Transsexualism By Anne A. Lawrence * Principles and Practice of Sex Therapy, Fourth Edition edited by Sandra R. Leiblum * Clinical Skills in Infant Mental Health By Louise Newman, Beulah Warren * Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of Femininity by Julia Serano (*this one's great for general orientation to the topic) * Gender Circuits: Bodies and Identities in a Technological Age By Eve Shapiro * Beyond Sexuality By Tim Dean * The Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People By Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health Issues and Research Gaps and Opportunities, Board on the Health of Select Populations, Institute of Medicine * The Riddle of Gender By Deborah Rudacille * Transitions: A Guide to Transitioning for Transsexuals and Their Families By Mara Drummond * Gender Dysphoria and Disorders of Sex Development: Progress in Care and Knowledge (Focus on Sexuality Research) [Hardcover] Baudewijntje P.C. Kreukels (Editor), Thomas D. Steensma (Editor), Annelou L.C. de Vries (Editor) * Perspectives on Human Sexuality By Anne Bolin, Patricia Whelehan * Human Sexuality: Biological, Psychological, and Cultural Perspectives By Anne Bolin
On 26 August 2013 16:23, Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
OK, you can be the reference librarian!
kc
On 8/26/13 1:59 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote:
I'll come with a VPN set up to UCB's campus that will allow me to pull down articles from almost all academic journals for people as needed.
Kevin Gorman
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Sue Gardner <sgardner@wikimedia.org mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org**> wrote:
I usually find my sources through Google Books (plus I have a hard copy of Julia Serano's Whipping Girl). I'll check my Google Books bookmarks, probably tonight, and send them to this list. The journal subscriptions will be really useful for me too -- I don't have access to anything that's not publicly available. Thanks, Sue On Aug 26, 2013 1:06 PM, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>> wrote: Sue, great. Do you have a sense of what your sources will be? I'm thinking that we could have some "reference materials" in the room on our topics. In addition, BPL has some journal subscriptions that might be useful. (SFPL has more, if you have a library card with them.) I know what you mean about "actually editing." Sometimes you don't get much done, but I find I do get a lot of stimulation for later edits. kc On 8/26/13 11:44 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: I'm planning to come, and I'm going to try to edit on some trans topics ("gender identity disorder" and stuff like that), since theyare presumably getting a lot of traffic these days, and the articles aren't very good.
(That said, my track record of actually editing at an editathon is pretty poor: I mostly end up talking or hanging out, not editing. But I am going to try.) Thanks, Sue On Aug 25, 2013 3:00 PM, "Kevin Gorman" <kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com> <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com>>> wrote: I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations for education program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_**_Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET>>as my basic handout type thing; it can be printed out, but we can also just give people the link (since presumably everyone will have a laptop with them.) There are a few others floating around, but I think WP:CHEATSHEET is the easiest/most compact to use.
I'll also try to come up with some possible topics and add them to the editathon page within the next few days. Thanks, Kevin Gorman ______________________________**___________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia._**_org <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.**wikimedia.org<Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org><mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.__w**ikimedia.org<http://wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.**wikimedia.org<Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org>https://lists.wikimedia.org/__**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf<https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf>-- Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net ph: 1-510-540-7596 <tel:1-510-540-7596> m: 1-510-435-8234 <tel:1-510-435-8234> skype: kcoylenet ______________________________**___________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia._**_org <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.**wikimedia.org<Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org>https://lists.wikimedia.org/__**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf<https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf> <https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf>______________________________**_________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.**org <Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.**wikimedia.org<Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org>https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf>______________________________**_________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.**org Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sfhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
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Sue, sorry we won't see you, but another time, for sure.
This connects up to Asaf's desire to work on bibliographies, I think. I, too, am very interested in that. My goal would be to have a set of good readings on as many of the topics in Wikipedia that we can cover. Not a giant-o complete list of everything written, but perhaps a "start here, continue on to..." There's no use giving folks a list of 3000 books and articles on a topic if you don't give them a starting point. So I've been reading up on principles of bibliography, classification, etc., and I think this is something that we can do that is totally useful.
If I get a chance I'll make a short bibliography of these on Zotero or something, so that they don't get lost.
kc
On 8/27/13 11:33 AM, Sue Gardner wrote:
Gah. I just realized I'm out of town that weekend so I won't be at the editathon. That's a shame --- I'd been looking forward to it.
FWIW though, in case anybody wants to edit on transgender issues, here are the books I've been working from. I'm not saying they're the best, but they seem fine :-)
Thanks, Sue
- Men Trapped in Men's Bodies: Narratives of Autogynephilic
Transsexualism By Anne A. Lawrence
- Principles and Practice of Sex Therapy, Fourth Edition edited by
Sandra R. Leiblum
- Clinical Skills in Infant Mental Health By Louise Newman, Beulah Warren
- Whipping Girl:A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of
Femininity by Julia Serano (*this one's great for general orientation to the topic)
- Gender Circuits: Bodies and Identities in a Technological Age By Eve
Shapiro
- Beyond Sexuality By Tim Dean
- The Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People By
Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health Issues and Research Gaps and Opportunities, Board on the Health of Select Populations, Institute of Medicine
- The Riddle of Gender By Deborah Rudacille
- Transitions: A Guide to Transitioning for Transsexuals and Their
Families By Mara Drummond
- Gender Dysphoria and Disorders of Sex Development: Progress in Care
and Knowledge (Focus on Sexuality Research) [Hardcover] Baudewijntje P.C. Kreukels (Editor), Thomas D. Steensma (Editor), Annelou L.C. de Vries (Editor)
- Perspectives on Human Sexuality By Anne Bolin, Patricia Whelehan
- Human Sexuality: Biological, Psychological, and Cultural Perspectives
By Anne Bolin
On 26 August 2013 16:23, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
OK, you can be the reference librarian! kc On 8/26/13 1:59 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: I'll come with a VPN set up to UCB's campus that will allow me to pull down articles from almost all academic journals for people as needed. ---- Kevin Gorman On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Sue Gardner <sgardner@wikimedia.org <mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org> <mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org <mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org>__>> wrote: I usually find my sources through Google Books (plus I have a hard copy of Julia Serano's Whipping Girl). I'll check my Google Books bookmarks, probably tonight, and send them to this list. The journal subscriptions will be really useful for me too -- I don't have access to anything that's not publicly available. Thanks, Sue On Aug 26, 2013 1:06 PM, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>>> wrote: Sue, great. Do you have a sense of what your sources will be? I'm thinking that we could have some "reference materials" in the room on our topics. In addition, BPL has some journal subscriptions that might be useful. (SFPL has more, if you have a library card with them.) I know what you mean about "actually editing." Sometimes you don't get much done, but I find I do get a lot of stimulation for later edits. kc On 8/26/13 11:44 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: I'm planning to come, and I'm going to try to edit on some trans topics ("gender identity disorder" and stuff like that), since they are presumably getting a lot of traffic these days, and the articles aren't very good. (That said, my track record of actually editing at an editathon is pretty poor: I mostly end up talking or hanging out, not editing. But I am going to try.) Thanks, Sue On Aug 25, 2013 3:00 PM, "Kevin Gorman" <kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com> <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com>> <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com> <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com>>>> wrote: I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations for education program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/____Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET>> as my basic handout type thing; it can be printed out, but we can also just give people the link (since presumably everyone will have a laptop with them.) There are a few others floating around, but I think WP:CHEATSHEET is the easiest/most compact to use. I'll also try to come up with some possible topics and add them to the editathon page within the next few days. 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Hi Karen,
FYI I am also super interested in bibliographies -- one of my (many) pet projects is promoting bibliographies & further reading lists in articles. I'd be glad to talk more about this offline, or on the libraries list! ( https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries)
cheers, -- phoebe
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
Sue, sorry we won't see you, but another time, for sure.
This connects up to Asaf's desire to work on bibliographies, I think. I, too, am very interested in that. My goal would be to have a set of good readings on as many of the topics in Wikipedia that we can cover. Not a giant-o complete list of everything written, but perhaps a "start here, continue on to..." There's no use giving folks a list of 3000 books and articles on a topic if you don't give them a starting point. So I've been reading up on principles of bibliography, classification, etc., and I think this is something that we can do that is totally useful.
If I get a chance I'll make a short bibliography of these on Zotero or something, so that they don't get lost.
kc
On 8/27/13 11:33 AM, Sue Gardner wrote:
Gah. I just realized I'm out of town that weekend so I won't be at the editathon. That's a shame --- I'd been looking forward to it.
FWIW though, in case anybody wants to edit on transgender issues, here are the books I've been working from. I'm not saying they're the best, but they seem fine :-)
Thanks, Sue
- Men Trapped in Men's Bodies: Narratives of Autogynephilic
Transsexualism By Anne A. Lawrence
- Principles and Practice of Sex Therapy, Fourth Edition edited by
Sandra R. Leiblum
- Clinical Skills in Infant Mental Health By Louise Newman, Beulah Warren
- Whipping Girl:A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of
Femininity by Julia Serano (*this one's great for general orientation to the topic)
- Gender Circuits: Bodies and Identities in a Technological Age By Eve
Shapiro
- Beyond Sexuality By Tim Dean
- The Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People By
Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health Issues and Research Gaps and Opportunities, Board on the Health of Select Populations, Institute of Medicine
- The Riddle of Gender By Deborah Rudacille
- Transitions: A Guide to Transitioning for Transsexuals and Their
Families By Mara Drummond
- Gender Dysphoria and Disorders of Sex Development: Progress in Care
and Knowledge (Focus on Sexuality Research) [Hardcover] Baudewijntje P.C. Kreukels (Editor), Thomas D. Steensma (Editor), Annelou L.C. de Vries (Editor)
- Perspectives on Human Sexuality By Anne Bolin, Patricia Whelehan
- Human Sexuality: Biological, Psychological, and Cultural Perspectives
By Anne Bolin
On 26 August 2013 16:23, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
OK, you can be the reference librarian! kc On 8/26/13 1:59 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: I'll come with a VPN set up to UCB's campus that will allow me to pull down articles from almost all academic journals for people as needed. ---- Kevin Gorman On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Sue Gardner <sgardner@wikimedia.org <mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org**> <mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org <mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org**>__>> wrote: I usually find my sources through Google Books (plus I have a hard copy of Julia Serano's Whipping Girl). I'll check my Google Books bookmarks, probably tonight, and send them to this list. The journal subscriptions will be really useful for me too -- I don'thave access to anything that's not publicly available.
Thanks, Sue On Aug 26, 2013 1:06 PM, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>>>wrote:
Sue, great. Do you have a sense of what your sources will be? I'm thinking that we could have some "reference materials" in the room on our topics. In addition, BPL has some journal subscriptions that might be useful. (SFPL has more, if you have a library card with them.) I know what you mean about "actually editing." Sometimes you don't get much done, but I find I do get a lot of stimulation for later edits. kc On 8/26/13 11:44 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: I'm planning to come, and I'm going to try to edit on some trans topics ("gender identity disorder" and stuff like that), since they are presumably getting a lot of traffic these days, andthe articles aren't very good.
(That said, my track record of actually editing at an editathon is pretty poor: I mostly end up talking or hanging out, not editing. But I am going to try.) Thanks, Sue On Aug 25, 2013 3:00 PM, "Kevin Gorman" <kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com> <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com<mailto:kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com> <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com>>>> wrote: I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations foreducation program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_**___Wikipedia:CHEATSHEEThttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/____Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**__Wikipedia:CHEATSHEEThttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET
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Awesome :)
I'd love to help.
As an example, several times I've tried to start "Femme" as a separate article from "Butch & Femme" but it keeps getting reverted. (I forwarded this to some of my dear friends that organize the bi-annual Femme Conference, see http://www.femme2012.com/home/, http://femmeconference.org/, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femme_conference)
I *really* appreciate Sue mentioning the need for improvement in trans etc. articles.
More trans people editing various trans articles would probably be a very good thing.
I think the new "edit" option vs "edit source" will help a LOT.
Best, Daniel Skype: daniel.inform On Aug 27, 2013 11:34 AM, "Sue Gardner" sgardner@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gah. I just realized I'm out of town that weekend so I won't be at the editathon. That's a shame --- I'd been looking forward to it.
FWIW though, in case anybody wants to edit on transgender issues, here are the books I've been working from. I'm not saying they're the best, but they seem fine :-)
Thanks, Sue
- Men Trapped in Men's Bodies: Narratives of Autogynephilic Transsexualism
By Anne A. Lawrence
- Principles and Practice of Sex Therapy, Fourth Edition edited by Sandra
R. Leiblum
- Clinical Skills in Infant Mental Health By Louise Newman, Beulah Warren
- Whipping Girl: A Transsexual Woman on Sexism and the Scapegoating of
Femininity by Julia Serano (*this one's great for general orientation to the topic)
- Gender Circuits: Bodies and Identities in a Technological Age By Eve
Shapiro
- Beyond Sexuality By Tim Dean
- The Health of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People By
Committee on Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Health Issues and Research Gaps and Opportunities, Board on the Health of Select Populations, Institute of Medicine
- The Riddle of Gender By Deborah Rudacille
- Transitions: A Guide to Transitioning for Transsexuals and Their
Families By Mara Drummond
- Gender Dysphoria and Disorders of Sex Development: Progress in Care and
Knowledge (Focus on Sexuality Research) [Hardcover] Baudewijntje P.C. Kreukels (Editor), Thomas D. Steensma (Editor), Annelou L.C. de Vries (Editor)
- Perspectives on Human Sexuality By Anne Bolin, Patricia Whelehan
- Human Sexuality: Biological, Psychological, and Cultural Perspectives By
Anne Bolin
On 26 August 2013 16:23, Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
OK, you can be the reference librarian!
kc
On 8/26/13 1:59 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote:
I'll come with a VPN set up to UCB's campus that will allow me to pull down articles from almost all academic journals for people as needed.
Kevin Gorman
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Sue Gardner <sgardner@wikimedia.org mailto:sgardner@wikimedia.org**> wrote:
I usually find my sources through Google Books (plus I have a hard copy of Julia Serano's Whipping Girl). I'll check my Google Books bookmarks, probably tonight, and send them to this list. The journal subscriptions will be really useful for me too -- I don't have access to anything that's not publicly available. Thanks, Sue On Aug 26, 2013 1:06 PM, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>> wrote: Sue, great. Do you have a sense of what your sources will be? I'm thinking that we could have some "reference materials" in the room on our topics. In addition, BPL has some journal subscriptions that might be useful. (SFPL has more, if you have a library card with them.) I know what you mean about "actually editing." Sometimes you don't get much done, but I find I do get a lot of stimulation for later edits. kc On 8/26/13 11:44 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: I'm planning to come, and I'm going to try to edit on some trans topics ("gender identity disorder" and stuff like that), since theyare presumably getting a lot of traffic these days, and the articles aren't very good.
(That said, my track record of actually editing at an editathon is pretty poor: I mostly end up talking or hanging out, not editing. But I am going to try.) Thanks, Sue On Aug 25, 2013 3:00 PM, "Kevin Gorman" <kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com> <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com <mailto:kgorman@gmail.com>>>wrote:
I would be more than happy to provide an intro in that slot - I've done a lot of similar presentations for education program events and for editathons. I usually use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_**_Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/__Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CHEATSHEET>>as my basic handout type thing; it can be printed out, but we can also just give people the link (since presumably everyone will have a laptop with them.) There are a few others floating around, but I think WP:CHEATSHEET is the easiest/most compact to use.
I'll also try to come up with some possible topics and add them to the editathon page within the next few days. Thanks, Kevin Gorman ______________________________**___________________ Wikimedia-SF mailing list Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia._**_org <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.**wikimedia.org<Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org><mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.__w**ikimedia.org<http://wikimedia.org> <mailto:Wikimedia-SF@lists.**wikimedia.org<Wikimedia-SF@lists.wikimedia.org>https://lists.wikimedia.org/__**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sfhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
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I often find that people who've never edited and are most likely to enjoy a face-to-face tutorial are also unlikely to signup via a wiki page. :)
Thus, I've also made a public Facebook event ( https://www.facebook.com/events/218304808327707/) and linked it from the Wikipedia page.
Thanks for starting this up Karen!
On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Karen Coyle kcoyle@kcoyle.net wrote:
We have a time set for an edit-a-thon in Berkeley from 12:30 - 5:00 at the Berkeley Public Library. I will try to do additional publicity, but there is a web page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Wikipedia:Meetup/Berkeley_**Edit-a-thonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Berkeley_Edit-a-thon
(Thanks for Shreyas Patankar!)
I'm not a master editor, so I'd like to know if we have someone who would be comfortable providing an intro to WP editing at the 12:30 time slot. I'm also looking around for handouts, cheat sheets, etc. on editing that we could have available. (I'm happy to do the copying for those.)
Before the day I'd like to identify a few topics or pages that we can suggest for attendees who don't come with their own agenda.
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