Hello,
I'd like to share some discussion points we had recently with the foundation's mobile app development. I would highly appreciate your opinions, ideas and thoughts. Unfortunately, my next call with WMF is already tomorrow evening (sorry for that).
The WMF will most probably develop an upload app for smartphones. We are invited to provide ideas and requests for our - WLM - needs.
The basic, most simplified upload workflow would be borrowed from the upload wizard and adapted to smartphones for the mobile Wikipedia browser app.
Another idea is an advanced workflow that would be provided already as an Android or iPhone app (based on the PhoneGap framework), with extended options for geolocation, additional campaigns like WLM or uploading an image straight from the article (monuments list...)
From my point of view, the most realistic approach (given WMF's
depolyment cycles and the timeline) is the basic mobile browser app - that does not help us very much for WLM in its basic design, and due to iOS restrictions it most probably would not work for iPhones. However, maybe it could be slightly extended for our needs.
From your point of view:
0) How do you generally feel about the mobile upload app for WLM - from an international perspective? 1) What do you generally think would be a minimal requirement to make a mobile app usable/helpful for WLM? 2) What would be next on your wishlist to make it real fun? 3) Any ideas how a team of volunteer developers could support staff developers effectively with the mobile app? (I'll have to discuss that) 4) anything I did not consider here?
Some details about the plans can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Photo_upload#Wiki_Loves_Monume...
Thanks for your feedback!
Regards, Elke
I am very happy you are working with this! Some thoughts:
0) I am not certain what it could mean in an international perspective, but I am certain that in Sweden, with very high smartphone and flatrate mobile internet penetration, this would make a huge difference. 1) The minimal requirement from the app is that you could do an upload that has enough metadata to enter the contest directly from the phone. 2) Suggestions on nearby objects.
Best, Jan Ainali Chair man, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
2012/4/11 elya ew_wp@web.de
Hello,
I'd like to share some discussion points we had recently with the foundation's mobile app development. I would highly appreciate your opinions, ideas and thoughts. Unfortunately, my next call with WMF is already tomorrow evening (sorry for that).
The WMF will most probably develop an upload app for smartphones. We are invited to provide ideas and requests for our - WLM - needs.
The basic, most simplified upload workflow would be borrowed from the upload wizard and adapted to smartphones for the mobile Wikipedia browser app.
Another idea is an advanced workflow that would be provided already as an Android or iPhone app (based on the PhoneGap framework), with extended options for geolocation, additional campaigns like WLM or uploading an image straight from the article (monuments list...)
From my point of view, the most realistic approach (given WMF's depolyment cycles and the timeline) is the basic mobile browser app - that does not help us very much for WLM in its basic design, and due to iOS restrictions it most probably would not work for iPhones. However, maybe it could be slightly extended for our needs.
From your point of view:
- How do you generally feel about the mobile upload app for WLM - from
an international perspective?
- What do you generally think would be a minimal requirement to make a
mobile app usable/helpful for WLM? 2) What would be next on your wishlist to make it real fun? 3) Any ideas how a team of volunteer developers could support staff developers effectively with the mobile app? (I'll have to discuss that) 4) anything I did not consider here?
Some details about the plans can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Photo_upload#Wiki_Loves_Monume...
Thanks for your feedback!
Regards, Elke
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
hi elya,
if the mobile app helps: * to locate the monument * to show what fotos already exist * to enter the contest * to add metadata it would be nice.
but i cannot imagine a workflow which helps uploading high quality images. i like the mobile strategy a lot - but developping an upload app is maybe too tempting nowadays as instagram got bought by facebook.
rupert
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 21:27, elya ew_wp@web.de wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to share some discussion points we had recently with the foundation's mobile app development. I would highly appreciate your opinions, ideas and thoughts. Unfortunately, my next call with WMF is already tomorrow evening (sorry for that).
The WMF will most probably develop an upload app for smartphones. We are invited to provide ideas and requests for our - WLM - needs.
The basic, most simplified upload workflow would be borrowed from the upload wizard and adapted to smartphones for the mobile Wikipedia browser app.
Another idea is an advanced workflow that would be provided already as an Android or iPhone app (based on the PhoneGap framework), with extended options for geolocation, additional campaigns like WLM or uploading an image straight from the article (monuments list...)
From my point of view, the most realistic approach (given WMF's depolyment cycles and the timeline) is the basic mobile browser app - that does not help us very much for WLM in its basic design, and due to iOS restrictions it most probably would not work for iPhones. However, maybe it could be slightly extended for our needs.
From your point of view:
- How do you generally feel about the mobile upload app for WLM - from
an international perspective?
- What do you generally think would be a minimal requirement to make a
mobile app usable/helpful for WLM? 2) What would be next on your wishlist to make it real fun? 3) Any ideas how a team of volunteer developers could support staff developers effectively with the mobile app? (I'll have to discuss that) 4) anything I did not consider here?
Some details about the plans can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Photo_upload#Wiki_Loves_Monume...
Thanks for your feedback!
Regards, Elke
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
oh ... i think i forgot one very practical use case for uploads: sound files, and (maybe?) movies.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 22:09, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
hi elya,
if the mobile app helps:
- to locate the monument
- to show what fotos already exist
- to enter the contest
- to add metadata
it would be nice.
but i cannot imagine a workflow which helps uploading high quality images. i like the mobile strategy a lot - but developping an upload app is maybe too tempting nowadays as instagram got bought by facebook.
rupert
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 21:27, elya ew_wp@web.de wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to share some discussion points we had recently with the foundation's mobile app development. I would highly appreciate your opinions, ideas and thoughts. Unfortunately, my next call with WMF is already tomorrow evening (sorry for that).
The WMF will most probably develop an upload app for smartphones. We are invited to provide ideas and requests for our - WLM - needs.
The basic, most simplified upload workflow would be borrowed from the upload wizard and adapted to smartphones for the mobile Wikipedia browser app.
Another idea is an advanced workflow that would be provided already as an Android or iPhone app (based on the PhoneGap framework), with extended options for geolocation, additional campaigns like WLM or uploading an image straight from the article (monuments list...)
From my point of view, the most realistic approach (given WMF's depolyment cycles and the timeline) is the basic mobile browser app - that does not help us very much for WLM in its basic design, and due to iOS restrictions it most probably would not work for iPhones. However, maybe it could be slightly extended for our needs.
From your point of view:
- How do you generally feel about the mobile upload app for WLM - from
an international perspective?
- What do you generally think would be a minimal requirement to make a
mobile app usable/helpful for WLM? 2) What would be next on your wishlist to make it real fun? 3) Any ideas how a team of volunteer developers could support staff developers effectively with the mobile app? (I'll have to discuss that) 4) anything I did not consider here?
Some details about the plans can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Photo_upload#Wiki_Loves_Monume...
Thanks for your feedback!
Regards, Elke
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Sure, they are not super high quality, but a photo from a smartphone can be good enough to become a Quality Image. [1] Your second comment is really important, it is easy to shoot a video from the phone, but a pain to upload it. Right now you first have to transfer it to the computer and then convert it to ogv before you can upload it. A stage area where you upload videos where they are batchconverted to ogv would be nice.
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kiev_monument_140.jpg
/Jan Ainali
2012/4/11 rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com
hi elya,
if the mobile app helps:
- to locate the monument
- to show what fotos already exist
- to enter the contest
- to add metadata
it would be nice.
but i cannot imagine a workflow which helps uploading high quality images. i like the mobile strategy a lot - but developping an upload app is maybe too tempting nowadays as instagram got bought by facebook.
rupert
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 21:27, elya ew_wp@web.de wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to share some discussion points we had recently with the foundation's mobile app development. I would highly appreciate your opinions, ideas and thoughts. Unfortunately, my next call with WMF is already tomorrow evening (sorry for that).
The WMF will most probably develop an upload app for smartphones. We are invited to provide ideas and requests for our - WLM - needs.
The basic, most simplified upload workflow would be borrowed from the upload wizard and adapted to smartphones for the mobile Wikipedia browser app.
Another idea is an advanced workflow that would be provided already as an Android or iPhone app (based on the PhoneGap framework), with extended options for geolocation, additional campaigns like WLM or uploading an image straight from the article (monuments list...)
From my point of view, the most realistic approach (given WMF's depolyment cycles and the timeline) is the basic mobile browser app - that does not help us very much for WLM in its basic design, and due to iOS restrictions it most probably would not work for iPhones. However, maybe it could be slightly extended for our needs.
From your point of view:
- How do you generally feel about the mobile upload app for WLM - from
an international perspective?
- What do you generally think would be a minimal requirement to make a
mobile app usable/helpful for WLM? 2) What would be next on your wishlist to make it real fun? 3) Any ideas how a team of volunteer developers could support staff developers effectively with the mobile app? (I'll have to discuss that) 4) anything I did not consider here?
Some details about the plans can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Photo_upload#Wiki_Loves_Monume...
Thanks for your feedback!
Regards, Elke
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Hi All
I¹m really glad you have started up this conversation, the South African WLM team were just discussing it yesterday! Smart phone penetration in South Africa is very high and it would be an essential tool for both WLM, in the immediate future, and WM Commons in the long term. It is an invaluable tool and should be built properly so that it works for android, blackberry (very popular in Africa) and iphone but then, I am not sure what the WM dev processes are.
From the African context, we expect that the WLM photo competition with be
the first time that many people will be contributing to Wikipedia. With this in mind, this is the kind of functionality that would be 1st prize: * drop down selection of country (or that the app would recognise which country you are in and automatically point¹ to the right list) * simple registration to the competition and wikipedia at the same time (name, username, email, cellphone, language) * ability to locate and link the photo/video to the heritage site they want to photo (they don¹t have to see what others have uploaded) * ability to nominate¹ a heritage site that is not on the list (due to SA¹s complex history, monuments are very colonial¹ and many people have very different ideas of what should be labelled a heritage site or monument) * geolocation (some of our monuments/heritage sites haven¹t yet been geolocated) * and joining the world of social media, the ability to seamlessly share each photo across all social media platforms facebook, twitter, foursquare and others to get maximum buzz and interest in the competition.
Other nice to have¹s¹ would be: * the ability to pull the photos in from such platforms as instagram, viddy, foursquare, etc. (are they allowed to doctor¹ the photo?) * to upload multiple photos such as many angles of a building or statue at once. * simple photography suggestions/tutorial (minimum sizes, framing, etc. into account) so we can get the best possible quality * a call for people to contribute text about the heritage site that they have just uploaded.
Not being a developer, I am not sure how difficult these things are to achieve. Is it possible?
Warmest Isla
WikiAfrica Project Manager: Africa tel: +27 21 418 3336 skype: islahaddow twitter: @wikiafrica www.africacentre.net/wikiafrica get started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiAfrica
From: Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se Reply-To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:37:15 +0200 To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Quick survey: your thoughts about a mobile app
Sure, they are not super high quality, but a photo from a smartphone can be good enough to become a Quality Image. [1] Your second comment is really important, it is easy to shoot a video from the phone, but a pain to upload it. Right now you first have to transfer it to the computer and then convert it to ogv before you can upload it. A stage area where you upload videos where they are batchconverted to ogv would be nice.
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kiev_monument_140.jpg
/Jan Ainali
2012/4/11 rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com
hi elya,
if the mobile app helps:
- to locate the monument
- to show what fotos already exist
- to enter the contest
- to add metadata
it would be nice.
but i cannot imagine a workflow which helps uploading high quality images. i like the mobile strategy a lot - but developping an upload app is maybe too tempting nowadays as instagram got bought by facebook.
rupert
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 21:27, elya ew_wp@web.de wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to share some discussion points we had recently with the foundation's mobile app development. I would highly appreciate your opinions, ideas and thoughts. Unfortunately, my next call with WMF is already tomorrow evening (sorry for that).
The WMF will most probably develop an upload app for smartphones. We are invited to provide ideas and requests for our - WLM - needs.
The basic, most simplified upload workflow would be borrowed from the upload wizard and adapted to smartphones for the mobile Wikipedia browser app.
Another idea is an advanced workflow that would be provided already as an Android or iPhone app (based on the PhoneGap framework), with extended options for geolocation, additional campaigns like WLM or uploading an image straight from the article (monuments list...)
From my point of view, the most realistic approach (given WMF's depolyment cycles and the timeline) is the basic mobile browser app - that does not help us very much for WLM in its basic design, and due to iOS restrictions it most probably would not work for iPhones. However, maybe it could be slightly extended for our needs.
From your point of view:
- How do you generally feel about the mobile upload app for WLM - from
an international perspective?
- What do you generally think would be a minimal requirement to make a
mobile app usable/helpful for WLM? 2) What would be next on your wishlist to make it real fun? 3) Any ideas how a team of volunteer developers could support staff developers effectively with the mobile app? (I'll have to discuss that) 4) anything I did not consider here?
Some details about the plans can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Photo_upload#Wiki_Loves_Monume... ts
Thanks for your feedback!
Regards, Elke
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Hi all,
I think a mobile tool will be helpful, but being realistically it seems that the WMF is not willing to invest enough in it to make it *really* useful.
That being said, I think that if anything gets developed, it should be generic enough to quickly adapt for other events and contests. Therefore we should focus on things that are common in most photo contests for Wikimedia.
Obvious would of course be base functionality: * Be able to select the contest (or have it preselected), including country! * Be able to log in to Commons * Upload images (and release etc) * Identify what is on them (which requires access to the list infrastructure/database
There are a few more things that would be helpful: * Have two modes - on the spot and at home. On the spot you could use geo locate to suggest what the objects would be. * Report a problem (any problem) * If not available: add geocoordinates from the phone * Show objects in the area
I guess the basic functionalities are stretching it, and my other things even harder. I have read some really specific WLM suggestions (such as suggesting a new monument to the government) - I don't think we should go there because it won't scale across countries, it won't scale at all to other contests. It would be nice for sure, but the cost/benefit would be too high probably. The more generic and adaptable it can be, the better.
Lodewijk
El 12 de abril de 2012 10:16, Isla Haddow-Flood islahf@africacentre.netescribió:
Hi All
I’m really glad you have started up this conversation, the South African WLM team were just discussing it yesterday! Smart phone penetration in South Africa is very high and it would be an essential tool for both WLM, in the immediate future, and WM Commons in the long term. It is an invaluable tool and should be built properly so that it works for android, blackberry (very popular in Africa) and iphone – but then, I am not sure what the WM dev processes are.
From the African context, we expect that the WLM photo competition with be the first time that many people will be contributing to Wikipedia. With this in mind, this is the kind of functionality that would be 1st prize:
- drop down selection of country (or that the app would recognise
which country you are in and automatically ‘point’ to the right list)
- simple registration – to the competition and wikipedia at the same
time (name, username, email, cellphone, language)
- ability to locate and link the photo/video to the heritage site they
want to photo (they don’t have to see what others have uploaded)
- ability to ‘nominate’ a heritage site that is not on the list (due
to SA’s complex history, monuments are very ‘colonial’ and many people have very different ideas of what should be labelled a heritage site or monument)
- geolocation (some of our monuments/heritage sites haven’t yet been
geolocated)
- and joining the world of social media, the ability to seamlessly
share each photo across all social media platforms – facebook, twitter, foursquare and others to get maximum buzz and interest in the competition.
Other ‘nice to have’s’ would be:
- the ability to pull the photos in from such platforms as instagram,
viddy, foursquare, etc. (are they allowed to ‘doctor’ the photo?)
- to upload multiple photos – such as many angles of a building or
statue at once.
- simple photography suggestions/tutorial (minimum sizes, framing,
etc. into account) so we can get the best possible quality
- a call for people to contribute text about the heritage site that
they have just uploaded.
Not being a developer, I am not sure how difficult these things are to achieve. Is it possible?
Warmest Isla
WikiAfrica Project Manager: Africa tel: +27 21 418 3336 skype: islahaddow twitter: @wikiafrica www.africacentre.net/wikiafrica get started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiAfrica
*From: *Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se *Reply-To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> *Date: *Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:37:15 +0200 *To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> *Subject: *Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Quick survey: your thoughts about a mobile app
Sure, they are not super high quality, but a photo from a smartphone can be good enough to become a Quality Image. [1] Your second comment is really important, it is easy to shoot a video from the phone, but a pain to upload it. Right now you first have to transfer it to the computer and then convert it to ogv before you can upload it. A stage area where you upload videos where they are batchconverted to ogv would be nice.
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kiev_monument_140.jpg
/Jan Ainali
2012/4/11 rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com
hi elya,
if the mobile app helps:
- to locate the monument
- to show what fotos already exist
- to enter the contest
- to add metadata
it would be nice.
but i cannot imagine a workflow which helps uploading high quality images. i like the mobile strategy a lot - but developping an upload app is maybe too tempting nowadays as instagram got bought by facebook.
rupert
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 21:27, elya ew_wp@web.de wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to share some discussion points we had recently with the foundation's mobile app development. I would highly appreciate your opinions, ideas and thoughts. Unfortunately, my next call with WMF is already tomorrow evening (sorry for that).
The WMF will most probably develop an upload app for smartphones. We are invited to provide ideas and requests for our - WLM - needs.
The basic, most simplified upload workflow would be borrowed from the upload wizard and adapted to smartphones for the mobile Wikipedia browser app.
Another idea is an advanced workflow that would be provided already as an Android or iPhone app (based on the PhoneGap framework), with extended options for geolocation, additional campaigns like WLM or uploading an image straight from the article (monuments list...)
From my point of view, the most realistic approach (given WMF's depolyment cycles and the timeline) is the basic mobile browser app - that does not help us very much for WLM in its basic design, and due to iOS restrictions it most probably would not work for iPhones. However, maybe it could be slightly extended for our needs.
From your point of view:
- How do you generally feel about the mobile upload app for WLM - from
an international perspective?
- What do you generally think would be a minimal requirement to make a
mobile app usable/helpful for WLM? 2) What would be next on your wishlist to make it real fun? 3) Any ideas how a team of volunteer developers could support staff developers effectively with the mobile app? (I'll have to discuss that) 4) anything I did not consider here?
Some details about the plans can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Photo_upload#Wiki_Loves_Monume...
Thanks for your feedback!
Regards, Elke
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
-- Med vänliga hälsningar Jan Ainali Ordförande, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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HI Elke
What happened with the discussion with WMF about the mobile app? Could you give us all some feedback?
Thanks so much! Isla
WikiAfrica Isla Haddow-Flood Project Manager: Africa tel: +27 21 418 3336 skype: islahaddow twitter: @wikiafrica www.africacentre.net/wikiafrica get started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiAfrica
From: Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org Reply-To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 10:33:08 +0200 To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Iolanda Pensa iolanda@pensa.it, Tanner Methvin tannerm@intekom.co.za, maarten deneckere maartendeneckere@gmail.com, Lourie Pieterse louriepieterse@yahoo.com, Francis Awinda francisa@africacentre.net Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Quick survey: your thoughts about a mobile app
Hi all,
I think a mobile tool will be helpful, but being realistically it seems that the WMF is not willing to invest enough in it to make it *really* useful.
That being said, I think that if anything gets developed, it should be generic enough to quickly adapt for other events and contests. Therefore we should focus on things that are common in most photo contests for Wikimedia.
Obvious would of course be base functionality: * Be able to select the contest (or have it preselected), including country! * Be able to log in to Commons * Upload images (and release etc) * Identify what is on them (which requires access to the list infrastructure/database
There are a few more things that would be helpful: * Have two modes - on the spot and at home. On the spot you could use geo locate to suggest what the objects would be. * Report a problem (any problem) * If not available: add geocoordinates from the phone * Show objects in the area
I guess the basic functionalities are stretching it, and my other things even harder. I have read some really specific WLM suggestions (such as suggesting a new monument to the government) - I don't think we should go there because it won't scale across countries, it won't scale at all to other contests. It would be nice for sure, but the cost/benefit would be too high probably. The more generic and adaptable it can be, the better.
Lodewijk
El 12 de abril de 2012 10:16, Isla Haddow-Flood islahf@africacentre.net escribió:
Hi All
I¹m really glad you have started up this conversation, the South African WLM team were just discussing it yesterday! Smart phone penetration in South Africa is very high and it would be an essential tool for both WLM, in the immediate future, and WM Commons in the long term. It is an invaluable tool and should be built properly so that it works for android, blackberry (very popular in Africa) and iphone but then, I am not sure what the WM dev processes are.
From the African context, we expect that the WLM photo competition with be the first time that many people will be contributing to Wikipedia. With this in mind, this is the kind of functionality that would be 1st prize:
- drop down selection of country (or that the app would recognise which
country you are in and automatically point¹ to the right list)
- simple registration to the competition and wikipedia at the same time
(name, username, email, cellphone, language)
- ability to locate and link the photo/video to the heritage site they want to
photo (they don¹t have to see what others have uploaded)
- ability to nominate¹ a heritage site that is not on the list (due to SA¹s
complex history, monuments are very colonial¹ and many people have very different ideas of what should be labelled a heritage site or monument)
- geolocation (some of our monuments/heritage sites haven¹t yet been
geolocated)
- and joining the world of social media, the ability to seamlessly share each
photo across all social media platforms facebook, twitter, foursquare and others to get maximum buzz and interest in the competition.
Other nice to have¹s¹ would be:
- the ability to pull the photos in from such platforms as instagram, viddy,
foursquare, etc. (are they allowed to doctor¹ the photo?)
- to upload multiple photos such as many angles of a building or statue at
once.
- simple photography suggestions/tutorial (minimum sizes, framing, etc. into
account) so we can get the best possible quality
- a call for people to contribute text about the heritage site that they have
just uploaded.
Not being a developer, I am not sure how difficult these things are to achieve. Is it possible?
Warmest Isla
WikiAfrica Project Manager: Africa tel: +27 21 418 3336 tel:%2B27%2021%20418%203336 skype: islahaddow twitter: @wikiafrica www.africacentre.net/wikiafrica http://www.africacentre.net/wikiafrica get started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiAfrica
From: Jan Ainali <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se http://jan.ainali@wikimedia.se > Reply-To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org http://wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:37:15 +0200 To: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org http://wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Quick survey: your thoughts about a mobile app
Sure, they are not super high quality, but a photo from a smartphone can be good enough to become a Quality Image. [1] Your second comment is really important, it is easy to shoot a video from the phone, but a pain to upload it. Right now you first have to transfer it to the computer and then convert it to ogv before you can upload it. A stage area where you upload videos where they are batchconverted to ogv would be nice.
[1] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kiev_monument_140.jpg
/Jan Ainali
2012/4/11 rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner@gmail.com http://rupert.thurner@gmail.com >
hi elya,
if the mobile app helps:
- to locate the monument
- to show what fotos already exist
- to enter the contest
- to add metadata
it would be nice.
but i cannot imagine a workflow which helps uploading high quality images. i like the mobile strategy a lot - but developping an upload app is maybe too tempting nowadays as instagram got bought by facebook.
rupert
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 21:27, elya <ew_wp@web.de http://ew_wp@web.de > wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to share some discussion points we had recently with the foundation's mobile app development. I would highly appreciate your opinions, ideas and thoughts. Unfortunately, my next call with WMF is already tomorrow evening (sorry for that).
The WMF will most probably develop an upload app for smartphones. We are invited to provide ideas and requests for our - WLM - needs.
The basic, most simplified upload workflow would be borrowed from the upload wizard and adapted to smartphones for the mobile Wikipedia browser app.
Another idea is an advanced workflow that would be provided already as an Android or iPhone app (based on the PhoneGap framework), with extended options for geolocation, additional campaigns like WLM or uploading an image straight from the article (monuments list...)
From my point of view, the most realistic approach (given WMF's depolyment cycles and the timeline) is the basic mobile browser app - that does not help us very much for WLM in its basic design, and due to iOS restrictions it most probably would not work for iPhones. However, maybe it could be slightly extended for our needs.
From your point of view:
- How do you generally feel about the mobile upload app for WLM - from
an international perspective?
- What do you generally think would be a minimal requirement to make a
mobile app usable/helpful for WLM? 2) What would be next on your wishlist to make it real fun? 3) Any ideas how a team of volunteer developers could support staff developers effectively with the mobile app? (I'll have to discuss that) 4) anything I did not consider here?
Some details about the plans can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Photo_upload#Wiki_Loves_Monume... nts
Thanks for your feedback!
Regards, Elke
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Am 18.04.12 22:06, schrieb Isla Haddow-Flood:
What happened with the discussion with WMF about the mobile app? Could you give us all some feedback?
Hi Isla, I had a 90 minutes Skype talk with Philip Chang and we discussed the options and our ideas and requests (thank you very much for that, it was extremly helpful).
We are still in a very early phase and they will have to check if they have enough development resources to create something really helpful for WLM in the given timeframe ;-)
I keep you on track as soon as I know anything more precise.
Warmest regards,
Elke
Hello,
returning to the mobile app discussion, I'd like to share some ideas/perspectives and receive your opinions about those.
Timewise, we will need to concentrate on one OS - Android or iOS. One more or less simple option would be modifying the Upload Wizard for mobile use - which would exclude iOS at the moment for technical reasons.
Another approach would be a native app either for Android OR iOS (in our timeframe).
QUESTIONS: * which one would be the preferred platform for us? * What are the market shares in your country/region? * Which other arguments for one or another platform are helpful - i.e. camera quality or online involvement of target group for either OS?
Thank you very much!
Regards,
Elke
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Uh, tough decision.
This are the most updated stats I found, but it would be awesome to find something more detailed (per country). http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/15/gartner-q4-2011-apple-android-smartphone/
I think that Android would be better from a communication point of view (is sort-of open source), but i don't know about the quality of cameras (I fear iPhones' are better most other's).
Anyway, I'm not an expert, so I wait for other feedbacks.
Aubrey
2012/4/26 elya ew_wp@web.de:
Hello,
returning to the mobile app discussion, I'd like to share some ideas/perspectives and receive your opinions about those.
Timewise, we will need to concentrate on one OS - Android or iOS. One more or less simple option would be modifying the Upload Wizard for mobile use - which would exclude iOS at the moment for technical reasons.
Another approach would be a native app either for Android OR iOS (in our timeframe).
QUESTIONS:
- which one would be the preferred platform for us?
- What are the market shares in your country/region?
- Which other arguments for one or another platform are helpful - i.e.
camera quality or online involvement of target group for either OS?
Thank you very much!
Regards,
Elke
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2012/4/26 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com:
Uh, tough decision.
This are the most updated stats I found, but it would be awesome to find something more detailed (per country). http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/15/gartner-q4-2011-apple-android-smartphone/
I think that Android would be better from a communication point of view (is sort-of open source), but i don't know about the quality of cameras (I fear iPhones' are better most other's).
Anyway, I'm not an expert, so I wait for other feedbacks.
In Poland Android smarthphones and tablets are much more popular than Apple's ones, mainly due to price and higher number of localised apps. Regarding camera - picture taken by smartphones - no mater if Apple or Android based - won't be of high quality anyway...
Il 26 aprile 2012 10:20, Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com ha scritto:
Uh, tough decision.
This are the most updated stats I found, but it would be awesome to find something more detailed (per country). http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/15/gartner-q4-2011-apple-android-smartphone/
I think that Android would be better from a communication point of view (is sort-of open source), but i don't know about the quality of cameras (I fear iPhones' are better most other's).
Anyway, I'm not an expert, so I wait for other feedbacks.
I second Andrea's thought. In general I value highly the quotes-openness-quotes of Android, but I think we should reach the vastest possible audience. Something maybe simple but for both would be the best choice, IMHO.
I'll try to find some stats about smartphones in Italy.
Cristian
Il 26 aprile 2012 10:46, Cristian Consonni kikkocristian@gmail.com ha scritto:
I'll try to find some stats about smartphones in Italy.
Here's a nice PDF[1] with data for US, JAP and UK, FRANCE, GERMANY, ITALY and SPAIN
It's free (as in beer), but to download it you have to fill a form with your data.
According to that[1][pag. 22] smartphones in Italy are mostly equipped with Symbian (52.8%), followed by Android (17.9%) and iOS (15.8%). This last two are rising (especially Android)
A friend pointed me to this chart[2], too ;-) (please note the "Raise of the Droids" :P).
HTH,
Cristian
[1]http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Presentations_Whitepapers/2012/2012_Mob... [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World-Wide-Smartphone-Market-Share.png
2012/4/26 elya ew_wp@web.de
Hello,
returning to the mobile app discussion, I'd like to share some ideas/perspectives and receive your opinions about those.
Timewise, we will need to concentrate on one OS - Android or iOS. One more or less simple option would be modifying the Upload Wizard for mobile use - which would exclude iOS at the moment for technical reasons.
Another approach would be a native app either for Android OR iOS (in our timeframe).
QUESTIONS:
- which one would be the preferred platform for us?
- What are the market shares in your country/region?
It's difficult to find reliable recent smartphone market share studies for France, but it looks like Android-phones are now more popular than iPhones, thanks to Free Mobile. Per Wikipedia, Android is also the most popular worldwide.
- Which other arguments for one or another platform are helpful - i.e.
camera quality or online involvement of target group for either OS?
Camera quality is good (for a smartphone) on iPhone, and ranges from very poor to really good on 'Droid phones. I don't have stats about online involvment of Apple fanboys vs Google maniacs, but I guess both have very active fansites which could relay the announcements...
I agree with Andrea's point regarding the openness of Android.
Best regards, Sylvain.
We are part of the open source community. Android is licensed under the Apache open source license and therefore we should prefer Android unless iOS moves to an open license.
My thinking behind this was:
If both operating systems were equally open then we should strive to be neutral when dealing with multiple commercial outfits (If we can't deploy apps for both at the same time then we should prioritise by transparent criteria).
According to Wikipedia Android has the larger market share, and all other things being equal that would be a good reason to prioritise it.
According to Wikipedia Android is gaining market share, and all other things being equal that would be two good reasons to prioritise it. (More people will use it and as newer phones tend to have better cameras as we can hope for better quality images).
There are other operating systems out there, and in my view we should either be idealistically committing to support all of them or compromise on all that achieve a certain marketshare, or be practical and plan to support all that achieve a certain marketshare of phones with higher quality cameras.
Clearly phone camera quality has improved by a huge margin in the last decade or so, does anyone know if there are technical limitations that will prevent it eventually catching up with cameras?
WSC
On 26 April 2012 07:30, elya ew_wp@web.de wrote:
Hello,
returning to the mobile app discussion, I'd like to share some ideas/perspectives and receive your opinions about those.
Timewise, we will need to concentrate on one OS - Android or iOS. One more or less simple option would be modifying the Upload Wizard for mobile use - which would exclude iOS at the moment for technical reasons.
Another approach would be a native app either for Android OR iOS (in our timeframe).
QUESTIONS:
- which one would be the preferred platform for us?
- What are the market shares in your country/region?
- Which other arguments for one or another platform are helpful - i.e.
camera quality or online involvement of target group for either OS?
Thank you very much!
Regards,
Elke
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On 26/04/12 08:30, elya wrote:
Hello,
returning to the mobile app discussion, I'd like to share some ideas/perspectives and receive your opinions about those.
Timewise, we will need to concentrate on one OS - Android or iOS. One more or less simple option would be modifying the Upload Wizard for mobile use - which would exclude iOS at the moment for technical reasons.
What issues does current Upload Wizard have for use on smartphones?
Am 26.04.12 16:55, schrieb Platonides:
What issues does current Upload Wizard have for use on smartphones?
It shouldn't have "issues" on Android (though my smartphone doesn't even load the start screen), but it's not exactly a mobile-friendly - and iOS does not allow file upload from the browser at all. The idea for this option is adapting the GUI but keeping most of the server functionality.
Elke
It's probably worth taking into account how difficult it is to get the app onto the official app platform or how much of a bureaucratic time delay this would entail. From what I've heard it's easier to get things into the Android Marketplace but I've got no data supporting this.
It might also be worth considering whether people involved in uploading images for Wikipedia (the target audience for the app) will actually reflect national averages concerning mobile phone operating systems. It's all very good developing an app that is usable to 75% of a nation's population, if most of our audience belong to the remaining 25% though...
Andre
On 27 April 2012 06:48, elya ew_wp@web.de wrote:
Am 26.04.12 16:55, schrieb Platonides:
What issues does current Upload Wizard have for use on smartphones?
It shouldn't have "issues" on Android (though my smartphone doesn't even load the start screen), but it's not exactly a mobile-friendly - and iOS does not allow file upload from the browser at all. The idea for this option is adapting the GUI but keeping most of the server functionality.
Elke
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On 27/04/12 13:00, André Costa wrote:
It's probably worth taking into account how difficult it is to get the app onto the official app platform or how much of a bureaucratic time delay this would entail. From what I've heard it's easier to get things into the Android Marketplace but I've got no data supporting this.
An app by Wikimedia Foundation Inc will probably be reviewed faster than one by J. Random Guy in both stores (although that doesn't mean a blind approval). I think it's easier to develop for Android than iOS though, as the requirements for testing in the later platform blocks casual contributors.
It might also be worth considering whether people involved in uploading images for Wikipedia (the target audience for the app) will actually reflect national averages concerning mobile phone operating systems. It's all very good developing an app that is usable to 75% of a nation's population, if most of our audience belong to the remaining 25% though...
Andre
We should be able to extract the later looking at wikipedia stats of mobile browsing of wikipedia (total and logged users). I don't see any mobile stats in stats.wikimedia.org, though.
Erik, do we have such data?
Platonides <platonides@...> writes:
On 27/04/12 13:00, André Costa wrote:
It's probably worth taking into account how difficult it is to get the
...
An app by Wikimedia Foundation Inc will probably be reviewed faster than one by J. Random Guy in both stores (although that doesn't mean a blind approval). I think it's easier to develop for Android than iOS though, as the requirements for testing in the later platform blocks casual contributors.
Yes, good points. But Apple causes delays for the WF too.
It might also be worth considering whether people involved in uploading
...
We should be able to extract the later looking at wikipedia stats of mobile browsing of wikipedia (total and logged users). I don't see any mobile stats in stats.wikimedia.org, though.
Erik, do we have such data?
Hi, we just published mobile stats here: http://stats.wikimedia.org/archive/squid_reports/2012-03/SquidReport UserAgents.htm
André Costa <lokal_profil@...> writes:
It's probably worth taking into account how difficult it is to
get the app onto the official app platform or how much of a bureaucratic time delay this would entail. From what I've heard it's easier to get things into the Android Marketplace but I've got no data supporting this. It might also be worth considering whether people involved in uploading images for Wikipedia (the target audience for the app) will actually reflect national averages concerning mobile phone operating systems. It's all very good developing an app that is usable to 75% of a nation's population, if most of our audience belong to the remaining 25% though...Andre
Great points. You heard right, it is much easier and quicker to deploy apps to Android Market (Google Play).
It looks like Wikipedia traffic is very weighted toward Android.
Phil
Platonides <platonides@...> writes:
On 26/04/12 08:30, elya wrote:
What issues does current Upload Wizard have for use on smartphones?
Hi, the current Upload Wizard works in Android browsers but is not formatted to fit mobile screens or behavior. The issue on iOS is there is no access to the file system from the browser.
Phil
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