Hi all,
I think a mobile tool will be helpful, but being realistically it seems
that the WMF is not willing to invest enough in it to make it *really*
useful.
That being said, I think that if anything gets developed, it should be
generic enough to quickly adapt for other events and contests. Therefore we
should focus on things that are common in most photo contests for Wikimedia.
Obvious would of course be base functionality:
* Be able to select the contest (or have it preselected), including country!
* Be able to log in to Commons
* Upload images (and release etc)
* Identify what is on them (which requires access to the list
infrastructure/database
There are a few more things that would be helpful:
* Have two modes - on the spot and at home. On the spot you could use geo
locate to suggest what the objects would be.
* Report a problem (any problem)
* If not available: add geocoordinates from the phone
* Show objects in the area
I guess the basic functionalities are stretching it, and my other things
even harder. I have read some really specific WLM suggestions (such as
suggesting a new monument to the government) - I don't think we should go
there because it won't scale across countries, it won't scale at all to
other contests. It would be nice for sure, but the cost/benefit would be
too high probably. The more generic and adaptable it can be, the better.
Lodewijk
El 12 de abril de 2012 10:16, Isla Haddow-Flood
<islahf(a)africacentre.xn--net>escribi-yobcribió:
Hi All
I’m really glad you have started up this conversation, the South African
WLM team were just discussing it yesterday! Smart phone penetration in
South Africa is very high and it would be an essential tool for both WLM,
in the immediate future, and WM Commons in the long term. It is an
invaluable tool and should be built properly so that it works for android,
blackberry (very popular in Africa) and iphone – but then, I am not sure
what the WM dev processes are.
From the African context, we expect that the WLM photo competition with be
the first time that many people will be contributing to Wikipedia. With
this in mind, this is the kind of functionality that would be 1st prize:
- drop down selection of country (or that the app would recognise
which country you are in and automatically ‘point’ to the right list)
- simple registration – to the competition and wikipedia at the same
time (name, username, email, cellphone, language)
- ability to locate and link the photo/video to the heritage site they
want to photo (they don’t have to see what others have uploaded)
- ability to ‘nominate’ a heritage site that is not on the list (due
to SA’s complex history, monuments are very ‘colonial’ and many people have
very different ideas of what should be labelled a heritage site or
monument)
- geolocation (some of our monuments/heritage sites haven’t yet been
geolocated)
- and joining the world of social media, the ability to seamlessly
share each photo across all social media platforms – facebook, twitter,
foursquare and others to get maximum buzz and interest in the competition.
Other ‘nice to have’s’ would be:
- the ability to pull the photos in from such platforms as instagram,
viddy, foursquare, etc. (are they allowed to ‘doctor’ the photo?)
- to upload multiple photos – such as many angles of a building or
statue at once.
- simple photography suggestions/tutorial (minimum sizes, framing,
etc. into account) so we can get the best possible quality
- a call for people to contribute text about the heritage site that
they have just uploaded.
Not being a developer, I am not sure how difficult these things are to
achieve. Is it possible?
Warmest
Isla
WikiAfrica
Project Manager: Africa tel: +27 21 418 3336
skype: islahaddow twitter: @wikiafrica
www.africacentre.net/wikiafrica get started:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiAfrica
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*From: *Jan Ainali <jan.ainali(a)wikimedia.se>
*Reply-To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <
wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
*Date: *Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:37:15 +0200
*To: *Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <
wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
*Subject: *Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Quick survey: your thoughts about a
mobile app
Sure, they are not super high quality, but a photo from a smartphone can
be good enough to become a Quality Image. [1]
Your second comment is really important, it is easy to shoot a video from
the phone, but a pain to upload it. Right now you first have to transfer it
to the computer and then convert it to ogv before you can upload it. A
stage area where you upload videos where they are batchconverted to ogv
would be nice.
[1]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kiev_monument_140.jpg
/Jan Ainali
2012/4/11 rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com>
hi elya,
if the mobile app helps:
* to locate the monument
* to show what fotos already exist
* to enter the contest
* to add metadata
it would be nice.
but i cannot imagine a workflow which helps uploading high quality
images. i like the mobile strategy a lot - but developping an upload
app is maybe too tempting nowadays as instagram got bought by
facebook.
rupert
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 21:27, elya <ew_wp(a)web.de> wrote:
Hello,
I'd like to share some discussion points we had recently with the
foundation's mobile app development. I would highly appreciate your
opinions, ideas and thoughts. Unfortunately, my next call with WMF is
already tomorrow evening (sorry for that).
The WMF will most probably develop an upload app for smartphones. We are
invited to provide ideas and requests for our - WLM - needs.
The basic, most simplified upload workflow would be borrowed from the
upload wizard and adapted to smartphones for the mobile Wikipedia
browser app.
Another idea is an advanced workflow that would be provided already as
an Android or iPhone app (based on the PhoneGap framework), with
extended options for geolocation, additional campaigns like WLM or
uploading an image straight from the article (monuments list...)
From my point of view, the most realistic approach (given WMF's
depolyment cycles and the timeline) is the basic mobile browser app -
that does not help us very much for WLM in its basic design, and due to
iOS restrictions it most probably would not work for iPhones. However,
maybe it could be slightly extended for our needs.
From your point of view:
0) How do you generally feel about the mobile upload app for WLM - from
an international perspective?
1) What do you generally think would be a minimal requirement to make a
mobile app usable/helpful for WLM?
2) What would be next on your wishlist to make it real fun?
3) Any ideas how a team of volunteer developers could support staff
developers effectively with the mobile app? (I'll have to discuss that)
4) anything I did not consider here?
Some details about the plans can be found here:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MobileFrontend/Photo_upload#Wiki_Loves_Monum…
Thanks for your feedback!
Regards,
Elke
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