Dear all,
thank you for your interest in Wiki Loves Monuments. There are in total 33
subscriptions to this mailing list, and that is much more than I hoped for
when we started this! I hope we can together set up a wonderful cooperation
on a European level - the first in its kind. I apologize for the (once
again) long email - there is just so much to write!
First of all, for those that might have missed it, let me refer to the
earlier post where I explained the concept I had in mind at the time: [1]
and the post mortem of Wiki Loves Monuments 2010 with a lot of helpful
information: [2]. I hope this e-mail will clarify a bit where we are, and
where we are going.
Considering the high interest up to now, it seems very likely that we will
try to pull this off definitely! September seems rather far away still, but
please note there are some steps that take a lot of time (especially getting
the raw data and building lists and a community), so we really have to get
started soon to avoid stressing too much later on.
I will send in a week or two a more worked out concept of what Wiki Loves
Monuments could look like. I hope for your input up to that moment, and
after that as well.
There are a few important points I would like to share with you:
1) Wiki Loves Monuments EU 2011 will be organized in a federative way - that
means that you are responsible for organizing a contest in your own country.
Ideally following similar principles, but there will be a lot of own
responsibility. We do want to make it easier for you though, so if you need
advise, we will be available; technical infrastructure can of course be
shared.
2) If you are interested to participate, even if you do not know for sure
yet, or if there are dependencies, please share that information! We created
a table on Wikimedia Commons, [3], please fill that table with the
information available for your country! Especially the chapter contact and
the "want to do WLM" columns. If you have doubts and need advise, just start
a new thread on this mailing list and we can all help each other.
3) Getting the monument info. As explained at [2], addresses etc for the
monuments to create lists from is crucial for organizing a successful Wiki
Loves Monuments. Our experience is that the organizations governing this
data are not very protective, and might be very enthusiast if we want to use
it in a disclosing way. If you want to run a Wiki Loves Monuments in your
country, you need this data. First step is to find out which organization in
your country has the rights to release this data. Second is to see if you
have any (direct or indirect) connections to that organization. If you have,
please approach the organization yourself, and share your experiences with
other chapters! If you do not have any contacts, and your only option is a
"cold call" - then please contact Wikimedia Nederland (through Maarten
Dammers) - we have several enthusiast partners which have good contacts with
sister organizations in other European countries. They might be able to
provide contact details of the right person. We probably need a few days up
to a week to get you that information.
4) In general: please communicate a lot and swiftly through this list. Most
likely multiple countries will encounter similar problems which we never
thought of in the Netherlands - please share them, and don't think you will
be the only one.
5) A good thing to keep in mind, probably stating the obvious, this is a
typical project where a chapter can only /facilitate/ the community. There
is a high dependency on volunteer activity on the project, and if there is
no interest from volunteers for this, don't start with it.
6) If you need any kind of advice, just ask for it. Maarten and I (and
probably many others) are willing to help out in any way possible - if
necessary to get your community motivated, we could come and give a
workshop/brainstorm session for a day or so (February might be a good month
for that), but please approach us quickly about that! If you have any out of
the box ideas on this, share them!
I look forward to any replies and input, lets make this list alive! I would
appreciate it if every chapter that actually read the whole email would just
make its presense known, so that we know how many chapters are here and
listening, and who needs to be approached privately once again.
Best,
lodewijk
[1]:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikilovesmonuments/2010-December/00000…
[2]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
[3]:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/progress
Hi everyone,
At
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/progress
and
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/post_mortem
we're talking about structured lists. You might wonder: How do I make
these structured lists? In this post I will try to explain how to do it.
It's actually not that difficult to create :-)
I will take Switzerland as an example. Their system is described at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Inventory_of_Cultural_Property_of_Nation…
.
We're going to create or convert tables. For this we need to know the
fields to include. Some important fields:
* id - the unique id assigned by the local registry, this is the primary key
* name - name of the object (or a description)
* address - the address of the object
* municipality - the municipality in which the object lies
* lat - the latitude
* lon - the longitude
* image - image of the object
You can of course add more fields and the name of the fields should
probably be in the local language.
The fields I used for the Swiss monuments are:
* image
* name
* address
* municipality
* CH1903_X (they use a strange lat/lon system in Switzerland)
* CH1903_Y
* KGS_nr - this is the unique id
Now we need to make two templates
* A header template which is going to be at the start of each table
* A row template. One row per monument containing all the information.
These templates make the lists look pretty and make it possible for a
bot to harvest the information (more about that at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/template_sys…
).
For Switzerland I created
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:SIoCPoNaRS_header and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:SIoCPoNaRS_row .
Now we got the base of the template system. If you don't have any lists
yet you have to get a dataset to start from scratch. If you already have
lists you need to convert them. If you're lucky some bot operator is
able to convert a lot of the lists automagicly with complicated regular
expressions. With the Swiss lists I was able to convert quite a lot with
a bot, see for example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cultural_property_of_national_signific…
(check the source and history).
The remaining items need to be fixed manually, you should mobilize some
users to help out.
Now you have structured lists! This is where I stand now with the Swiss
project. I will do a follow up most when I got some of the nice tools
working so we can actually make use of these structured lists.
Any questions?
Maarten
Hello everybody !
I'm Benoît Evellin, member of WIkimédia France, known on the projects as
User:Trizek. I'm involved on the Monuments historiques projects on
French Wikipedia.
Regards,
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Benoît Evellin
Membre de Wikimédia France
www.wikimedia.fr