Please find the report on the latest[1] i18n triage below. The rough notes are on etherpad: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-i18n-2012-01.
Thanks go to the participants liangent, Nemo_bis, srikanthlogic, OrenBo, ^demon, aharoni, Nikerabbit, santhosh and hexmode.
We covered three main topics: WebFonts, Narayam and Translate.
WebFonts -------------- Support WebFonts for Chinese -- This topic does not yet have a bugzilla entry. Because of the complexity, it was agreed that Liangent and Santhosh would discuss firther. Availability of fonts for Chinese and their potential large size is an issue. This will require some more discussion to understand the issue more clearly and to think about solutions -- there are more than 47.000 characters involved. Liangent suggested Font Subsetting -- creating downloadable fonts tailored for a pageon the fly -- but there are multiple issues with that.
Narayam input methods -------------------------------- https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31904 -- Bamini keyboard map needs fix: We are looking for a community member to validate the mapping. srikanthlogic volunteered to track somebody down.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32029 -- Some vowel combination in Sinhala Wijesekara need to be corrected: We are looking for a community member to validate the mapping.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33243 -- Narayam IME on fails to replace English characters on mobile: This report contains at least two separate issues. For tracking purposes, that's not great; one should be split off. Because of the multitude of mobile and tablet devices, each with their own resolution, screen dimension and aspect ratio, something like "Narayam on mobile" will probably not be a one size fits all solution, like it is implemented on desktop browsers. Siebrand will open a discussion with the mobile team on what we think we can do with input methods on mobile devices.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33300 -- Unwanted activation which disables user's ability to type: It's unclear how to proceed with this. We are thinking about something visual in the proximity of the text area or input field. This needs to be discussed with UI/UX people. Siebrand will follow up, and UI/UX designers have been CC-ed on the issue, but have not yet added their thoughts.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33480 -- Add Telugu Transliteration input method to Narayam: A Telugu community member/developers is needed to port the existing input method gadget to Narayam. Hexmode will chase down a tewiki user/dev.
Script to automate transliteration help maps -- This topic does not yet have a bugzilla entry. srikanthlogic suggested this for transliteration tables liike http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Narayam/Tamil/Transliteration. Opinions differ on if this would contribute anything valuable, as each transliteration schema is different, and these tables may always need to be created manually. Siebrand to schedule a session to discuss this further.
Translate ------------ https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31632 -- When re-marking translatable page for translation, old version of the pages might be shown: It looks like this behaviour is no longer observed. The issue was closed.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31695 -- Support Google Translate V2 API: Google has deprecated and limited use of the Translate V1 API. We're looking for a volunteer to update the interface, but one has not been found yet.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32983 -- Page protection leads to issue in translatable pages: It looks like Translate may be missing a hook or it might be using the wrong hook. We're planning on asking Roan for help.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33647 -- Translate popups with insufficient height: This appears to be an intermittent, but annoying issue. During the triage no additional understanding has arisen. Anyone with information that may reliably reproduce this issue is requested to please add steps and details in bugzilla.
Cheers! In February, there will be another Localisation and internationalisation bug triage.
[1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-i18n/2012-January/000383.html
Siebrand,
Thanks for this very helpful bug triage report and conducting the session last week.
Look forward to the next one (next month).
Alolita
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 5:33 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) < smazeland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Please find the report on the latest[1] i18n triage below. The rough notes are on etherpad: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-i18n-2012-01.
Thanks go to the participants liangent, Nemo_bis, srikanthlogic, OrenBo, ^demon, aharoni, Nikerabbit, santhosh and hexmode.
We covered three main topics: WebFonts, Narayam and Translate.
WebFonts
Support WebFonts for Chinese -- This topic does not yet have a bugzilla entry. Because of the complexity, it was agreed that Liangent and Santhosh would discuss firther. Availability of fonts for Chinese and their potential large size is an issue. This will require some more discussion to understand the issue more clearly and to think about solutions -- there are more than 47.000 characters involved. Liangent suggested Font Subsetting -- creating downloadable fonts tailored for a pageon the fly -- but there are multiple issues with that.
Narayam input methods
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31904 -- Bamini keyboard map needs fix: We are looking for a community member to validate the mapping. srikanthlogic volunteered to track somebody down.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32029 -- Some vowel combination in Sinhala Wijesekara need to be corrected: We are looking for a community member to validate the mapping.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33243 -- Narayam IME on fails to replace English characters on mobile: This report contains at least two separate issues. For tracking purposes, that's not great; one should be split off. Because of the multitude of mobile and tablet devices, each with their own resolution, screen dimension and aspect ratio, something like "Narayam on mobile" will probably not be a one size fits all solution, like it is implemented on desktop browsers. Siebrand will open a discussion with the mobile team on what we think we can do with input methods on mobile devices.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33300 -- Unwanted activation which disables user's ability to type: It's unclear how to proceed with this. We are thinking about something visual in the proximity of the text area or input field. This needs to be discussed with UI/UX people. Siebrand will follow up, and UI/UX designers have been CC-ed on the issue, but have not yet added their thoughts.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33480 -- Add Telugu Transliteration input method to Narayam: A Telugu community member/developers is needed to port the existing input method gadget to Narayam. Hexmode will chase down a tewiki user/dev.
Script to automate transliteration help maps -- This topic does not yet have a bugzilla entry. srikanthlogic suggested this for transliteration tables liike http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Narayam/Tamil/Transliteration . Opinions differ on if this would contribute anything valuable, as each transliteration schema is different, and these tables may always need to be created manually. Siebrand to schedule a session to discuss this further.
Translate
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31632 -- When re-marking translatable page for translation, old version of the pages might be shown: It looks like this behaviour is no longer observed. The issue was closed.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31695 -- Support Google Translate V2 API: Google has deprecated and limited use of the Translate V1 API. We're looking for a volunteer to update the interface, but one has not been found yet.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32983 -- Page protection leads to issue in translatable pages: It looks like Translate may be missing a hook or it might be using the wrong hook. We're planning on asking Roan for help.
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33647 -- Translate popups with insufficient height: This appears to be an intermittent, but annoying issue. During the triage no additional understanding has arisen. Anyone with information that may reliably reproduce this issue is requested to please add steps and details in bugzilla.
Cheers! In February, there will be another Localisation and internationalisation bug triage.
[1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-i18n/2012-January/000383.html
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23 జనవరి 2012 7:03 సా న, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazeland@wikimedia.orgఇలా రాసారు :
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33480 -- Add Telugu Transliteration input method to Narayam: A Telugu community member/developers is needed to port the existing input method gadget to Narayam. Hexmode will chase down a tewiki user/dev.
I've just submitted Narayam rules for Telugu Translation: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33480#c2
Thanks, Veeven.
Op 24 jan. 2012 om 05:59 heeft Veeven veeven@gmail.com het volgende geschreven:
23 జనవరి 2012 7:03 సా న, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazeland@wikimedia.org ఇలా రాసారు :
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33480 -- Add Telugu Transliteration input method to Narayam: A Telugu community member/developers is needed to port the existing input method gadget to Narayam. Hexmode will chase down a tewiki user/dev.
I've just submitted Narayam rules for Telugu Translation: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33480#c2
Thanks a lot, Veeven!
-- Siebrand Mazeland
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