Mediawiki-i18n April 2012

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Report on WebFonts deployment
by Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) 20 Jan '14

20 Jan '14

Dear all, My apologies up front for the long e-mail that follows. In this e-mail you will find a comprehensive status overview of the recent WebFonts deployment. On Monday December 12 at 18:00 UTC we deployed the extension WebFonts[1] to 40 wikis in 11 Indic languages and Wikimedia Incubator -- all wikis in Assamese, Bengali, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Marathi, Nepali, Oriya, (Eastern) Punjabi, Sankrit and Telugu have WebFonts now. WebFonts was not deployed on Malayalam and Tamil projects. The reason for this was that community members had requested us not to. We are confident that in time, the communities will request that WebFonts is enabled on their projects. WebFonts aims to resolve the issue that users see incomplete web pages, because the fonts to properly render the page is not present in the local system by downloading the font through the browser. One of our great challenges developing this functionality is the multitude of scripts and the low availability of freely licensed fonts that may be modified and redistributed. Over the past few months we have tried to build out a collection of fonts in the extension mainly for Indic languages, and we have performed many tests. We have solicited community involvement through messaging in village pumps, e-mails on mailing lists, blog posts on personal blogs as well as on the Wikimedia Foundation blog, at developer events, through personal e-mails and through our bug tracker, and gotten some feedback, although unfortunately not for all the languages we would like to have gotten it for. We will of course continue our efforts in this area. Next to the community involvement, we have had a two day session with the Red Hat Localisation team in Pune, India. Since the deployment, we have been criticised for not communicating enough -- or not through the right channels, not with the right people, not in time, or too soon, or not with the right messages. I'm not really sure how to respond to that, except for uttering a general "mea culpa, mea maxima culpa". We are working really hard in continuously improving the work that we do, and the way that we do it. We make mistakes, we are human after all, and when we become aware of our mistakes, we will do everything in our power to make it better. With our team we support the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation to "imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." I care about that -- a lot. We all care, and I am pretty certain that we're not ignorant, dismissive or incapable. I acknowledge that we as the Localisation team are a relatively new entity within the MediaWiki development community and within the Wikimedia Foundation, with a very wide scope, and that we are dealing with a lot of technical details on which we are simply not able to assess the final quality; there are after all 7.500 languages in this world of over 7 billion people that we theoretically all cover, some 350 of those languages are supported in MediaWiki, and 280 within Wikimedia. I accept that we cannot keep everybody happy -- doesn't keep us from trying, though. I want to try and work with as many people as possible in a constructive way. With these numbers, that's not always easy to coordinate. To channel the input on languages, we have set up "Language Support Teams"[2]. We do not yet have a language support team for every language. Please sign up if you care about the technical facilitation of your language in the Wikimedia movement. Let's use the mediawiki-i18n mailing list[3] to have constructive discussions about language support. Let's use the #mediawiki-i18n IRC channel[4] on Freenode to have real-time discussions. Let's use bugzilla.wikimedia.org to report bugs[5]. Link [5] explains the bug reporting procedure. If you already know how, report issues quickly using this link: http://ur1.ca/6ov9a . Since the deployment, we have been made aware of about 17 issues. Some very serious in nature, others not requiring immediate attention. Yesterday an issue with web fonts not loading in Firefox was resolved in the infrastructure. Today around 15:30 UTC, we have deployed fixes for an additional hand full of issues[6]: functionality disabled in IE6, IE8 on Windows XP, selection buttons not working properly in IE7 and hiding the Samyak fonts in the font selector. During our current sprint, we are working on a framework for multi-lingual and localised user documentation as well as feature based feedback functionality for WebFonts, Narayam and Translate. In the future we will also explore what is known as "dark launch" by some, a kind of hidden live deployment of a feature, only usable be for example manipulating a URL. This would allow us to deploy a feature in a live environment, without having the "full deployment" impact. Thanks for reading through this. I am looking forward to working with you! Please read on for details on all the issues that were reported on WebFonts recently. Cheers! Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation ======================================= Links ======================================= [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WebFonts [2] https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n [4] https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:WebChat [5] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106204 ======================================= Open issues ======================================= https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33004 -- Old cached pages do not have web fonts enabled Priority: HIGH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wikimedia is able to serve this many pages with relative few servers because of very aggressive caching strategies, especially for anonymous users. WebFonts requires the addition of JavaScript for anonymous users, which is not being done for pages that are in the squid cache at the moment WebFonts was enabled. All squid cache objects for wikis on which WebFonts was deployed need to be purged. An internal RT ticket created for the Wikimedia Operations team to get anonymous squid caches purged. This may take up to a week or longer to be resolved. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33018 -- Firefox 5 on Windows XP has script time-outs Priority: MEDIUM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Localisation team has tested this report, and was not yet able to confirm the observation. The reason for using a non-recent version of Firefox for the report was the alleged lower memory usage. Brion noted that Mozilla has been actively working on lowering memory usage over the last year, so the reporter may be better off with the current versions than the old ones. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33110 -- Google Crome on Windows XP dispays gibberish Priority: LOW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Observed very rarely on a page on Wikimedia Incubator, and we have not been able to reproduce this observation, let alone reproduce it reliably. A screenshot is present in the bug report. Except for reporting upstream, no action is being taken on this issue at this point in time. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33054 -- Hinting issues in Lohit fonts Priority: MEDIUM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Confirmed in Windows XP. We can do something to the font by adding hinting, but this is a lot of work if it needs to be done manually. The stem of the Lohit glyphs could do with more width and darkness. This may not be desirable for platforms (Linux) which render it perfectly, because it already has hinting and anti-aliasing on an operating system level. Same goes got Windows 7. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33100 -- Page crashes on Webkit browsers with WebFonts enabled. Priority: MEDIUM (could be HIGH if we find many occurances) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A page in Nepali Wikipedia makes a tab on Mac OS X 10.7.2 with Google Crome crash. This behaviour was also reported for Mac OS X 10.7.2 (11C74) with Safari 5.1.1 (7534.51.22, r102522) [This is a webkit nightly build] by thedj. This is most probably related to the WebFonts code, because if, as a logged in user, web fonts is disabled in preferences, the page does not crash Chrome. Developer Derk-Jan Hartman was asked to report this bug in the WebKit. Please make us aware of any additional pages that would cause this behaviour in any wiki. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33102 -- OSX 10.7.2/Opera 11.60 has no fallback for Latin characters Priority: MEDIUM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a bug that needs to be reported upstream. No technical measures have been taken so far to mitigate this issue. One of the Localisation team members has been in contact with a high level executive of Opera, and will contact that person again. We're going to wait for a few days for an outcome -- if there is no expectation of a relatively quick fix, we might disable WebFonts for Opera completely. Opera unfortunately does not have a public bug tracker. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33027 -- Narayam and WebFonts both loading slows down page Priority: MEDIUM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The reporter claims that the functionality is quicker on translatewiki.netthan it is in Wikimedia wikis. A commenter states that more functionality usually means more code, means more data that needs to be transferred, and without changing bandwidth, that causes longer load times. This currently isn't our highest priority, but eventually we will look into this a little deeper. We're inviting volunteers to do some of the data gathering and analysis for us. What is needed in our opinion is insight in the data volume added by WebFonts, as well as an assessment of the code quality with regards to size optimisation. All referenced properly, of course :). There are alternate EOT conversion tools that have a good compression ratio. Needs to be explored, but EOT is not required for modern browsers since they started using WOFF fonts which are compressed OpenType fonts. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33085 -- Integration of updated Lohit-Tamil Font Priority: MEDIUM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Request to update WebFonts with a font that is updated upstream. This is something the Localisation team checks regularly. Will probably be closed this week, pending issues the have a higher priority. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32942 -- Provide help page and bug report link for WebFonts Priority: HIGH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More recently developed tools by the Wikimedia Foundation have often included feedback mechanisms. The Localisation team plans on implementing these for the functionality of the WebFonts, Narayam and Translate extension. Besides that, we also want to provide multi-lingual and localised documentation. This needs some thinking and some work to provide in a structured and navigable way. We'll keep you posted. It will most probably involve translatable *user* documentation on MediaWiki.org and hopefully it is possible to have one feedback location per feature across the multiple Wikimedia wikis -- this is something we're going to contact the ArticleFeedback and MoodBar teams for. ======================================= Closed issues ======================================= https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33025 -- When changing to a non-default web font, the content does not -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This issue was a side effect of a feature to allow multiple web fonts to be used using the "lang" attribute. It was resolved in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105980 and has been deployed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33034 -- Web fonts not loading in Firefox -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Duplicate reports were 33038 and 33044. This issue originated from http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-fonts/#same-origin-restriction. Almost all browsers except for Firefox ignore that specification. A fix was designed and deployed: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106092, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1501. Thanks to Roan, Brion and Ryan for their help. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32775 -- Gibberish in Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is an unexplained phenomenon only observed in Internet Explorer on Windows XP. It is also hard to reproduce. One of the developers was able to make something somewhat reproducible on a clean, fully patched installation of Windows XP with Internet Explorer 8. See bug report for details. Based on these observations we think it is a bad idea to keep supporting WebFonts in Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP and we have disabled it in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106172. This fix has been deployed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33096 -- Internet Explorer 6 does not have font fallback -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IE6 not having font fallback causes Latin characters to display as squares when a web font is loaded that does not contain glyphs for the Latin script. A screenshot is available at http://media.crossbrowsertesting.com/users/34057/screenshots/window/z669002…. Based on this observation, we think it is a bad idea to keep supporting WebFonts in Internet Explorer 6 and we have disabled it in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106172. This fix has been deployed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33024 -- WebFonts menu buttons not working in IE7 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This was caused by the JavaScript $( '<input type="radio" />' ) . attr( "name" ,"font"); not working in IE6 and IE7. Updating name attributes once they have been created is not possible. We think there may be more occurances of this in our code (one occurance in jQuery has already been identified: resources/jquery/jquery.validate.js:59). A fix was made in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106175. This fix has been deployed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33040 -- Overlap in Samyak font for Hindi and Sanskrit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This issue occurs in Windows XP and Windows 7 (possibly also in Windows Vista) when using Google Chrome. It is not observed when using Chrome with Mac OS X 10.7.2 or several Linux distributions (Debian and Fedora). Samyak Devanagari is available as a non-default web font in Hindi, Marathi, and Sanskrit. Samyak Gujarati is available for Gujarati as a non-default font. This font needs to be corrected. The maintainers will be notified of the observed issues, and mean while, the fonts will be removed from the WebFonts selection list (but can still be used using the font-family property. A fix was made in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106179. This fix has been deployed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33039 -- Overlap in Madan font for Nepali -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This report was invalid. The reporter was not aware of the correct glyph for the Nepali script. Comments on this bug report resulted in two odd observations (Crome crash, Opera font fallback), that have been split off into separate bug reports: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33100 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33102. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33095 -- WebFonts menu can expand off the screen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the translations for "Select font" and "Login / Register" are really short, like in http://mr.wiktionary.org, expanding the WebFonts menu for anonymous users will display a menu that is partially off the screen. It was resolved in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106186, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106197, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106201, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106202. These revisions also depend on a few small UI changes of both WebFonts and Narayam, and will be deployed on December 19, 2011. <no bugzilla report> -- WebFonts menu expands under the control for customised input method in IE6 on transliteration -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are issues with the z index in IE6. Because of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106172, WebFonts is no longer available in IE6, so this issue is obsolete. Observing that the Hindi projects Wikipedia and Wiktionary are using an custom input methods tool, we would like to invite them to test Narayam which contains many input methods in a MediaWiki extension. We are very open to having the Hindi input method InScript tested and add a transliteration input method with some community representatives, as we have done with other Indic languages. We hope this will eventually lead to Narayam being adopted by the Hindi community, and the custom input method being abandoned.

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Invitation for Localisation Development Demonstration 2012-05-01 15:00 UTC
by Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) 02 May '12

02 May '12

Dear subscriber to mediawiki-i18n, I would like to invite you to the Localisation Development Demonstration on Tuesday 1 May 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones: 08:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its progress made during sprint 14. We hope you can attend, and please invite any other colleagues or friends you think would appreciate being present! This meeting will be held using WebEx. Please ensure that you log in a few minutes before the meeting starts, so that you have time to install any required plug-ins or software. Connection details can be found below the signature. -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ------------------------------------------------------- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=175641292&UID=1267344717&RT=… 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. This meeting does not require a password. 4. Click "Join". To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=175641292&UID=1267344717&ORT…

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TranslateSvg: opinionated people needed
by Harry Burt 01 May '12

01 May '12

[cross-posted to mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org, translators-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org] Hey all. If you haven't come across me before, I'm Harry (better known in many quarters by my pseudonym Jarry1250) and I was recently awarded a place on this year's Google Summer of Code to work on a project called TranslateSvg. Hello :) In a nutshell, TranslateSvg is all about providing an interface that allows Wikimedia Commons users to translate SVG images on the spot and without fuss. As part of that remit, I'm now seeking out those among the community who have direct experience of translation of one sort or another and who might like to help influence the design of TranslateSvg (both in terms of interface design and workflow requirements). Particularly super-useful would be to someone willing to try out interface designs in the RTL variants, or using non-Latin scripts. Thanks and much respect for all the hard translation/i18n work that goes on to make MediaWiki a world class piece of software. Harry -- Harry Burt (User:Jarry1250) GSoC 2012 participant

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translatewiki.net translations are not being propagated to Wikimedia sites at the moment
by Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) 30 Apr '12

30 Apr '12

Dear all, Because of an unknown issue, translatewiki.net translations are not being propagated to Wikimedia sites at the moment. They are being added to the source code of MediaWiki and extensions[1], but the process that is intended to ensure that the translations are actually being used, is malfunctioning. This issue is documented as https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36349 [1] All localisation related commits: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#dashboard,137 -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

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Re: [Mediawiki-i18n] CLDR and Names.php
by Steven R. Loomis 26 Apr '12

26 Apr '12

Gerard wrote: > Hoi, > I blogged about this .. > http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2012/04/supporting-asturian-in-cldr.html > Thanks, > Gerard Gerard, And I replied to your post. Xuacu, Your account is still active and vetting started a couple of weeks ago, please consider filing a ticket with the updated exemplar data here: http://cldr.unicode.org/index/cldr-spec/minimaldata/form ( including that the Spanish plural rules are to be used ) so that Asturian can be entered. Steven R. Loomis, CLDR Project Srl295 @ translatewiki || freenode

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Moving "cite_text-xx" into SpecialCite.i18n.php
by Raimond Spekking 21 Apr '12

21 Apr '12

I am thinking about moving the text files "cite_text-xx" https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=mediawiki/extensions/Cite.git;a=tree into SpecialCite.i18n.php to make them available for translation. Currently we have 23 translation only and no simple way to add new translations (besides direct Git commits of new files). Are there any objections against my idea? Raimond.

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I18n deployment 2012-04-24
by Niklas Laxstrom 21 Apr '12

21 Apr '12

There have been some changes to i18n deployments because of the migration to git. The deployment window is now on Tuesdays at 16:30-17:30 UTC. But most of our changes are going to happen during the general deployments, which has been split to four days across two weeks. In i18n deployment window we are going to mostly do configuration changes and deployments of new extensions. Our plans: * Translation administrators are given access to Special:AggregateGroups on projects using Translate extension * Narayam on te.wikipedia.org (bug 33480) ** This probably happens after the git deployment on Wednesday For later deployments we also have translation memory service and TranslationNotifications extension coming. -Niklas

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Invitation for Localisation Development Demonstration 2012-04-17 15:00 UTC
by Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) 17 Apr '12

17 Apr '12

Dear subscriber to mediawiki-i18n, I would like to invite you to the Localisation Development Demonstration on Tuesday 14 April 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones: 06:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its progress made during sprint 13 of release 2. We hope you can attend, and please invite any other colleagues or friends you think would appreciate being present! This meeting will be held using WebEx. Please ensure that you log in a few minutes before the meeting starts, so that you have time to install any required plugins or software. Connection details can be found below. -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -- ------------------------------------------------------- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=174646492&UID=1263617982&RT=… 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. This meeting does not require a password. 4. Click "Join". To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=174646492&UID=1263617982&ORT…

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Re: [Mediawiki-i18n] A localisation update and the CLDR
by Steven R. Loomis 17 Apr '12

17 Apr '12

Stacey Borsody wrote: > Thanks for the information. I had looked at the beta Survey Tool > earlier and saw there was no way to add new locales. That's a separate process. the main survey tool help page discusses it a bit, as does http://cldr.unicode.org/index/cldr-spec/minimaldata But, I filed a ticket <http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/4626> to add an "add new locales" link. > CLDR looks like a great tool, but the CLDR process seems like it does > take a bit of time to learn. It feels like it somewhat defeats the > goal of getting in-country scholars and other experts involved, > especially when we're talking about small languages. Those experts > are not necessarily "computer people", which leads once again to > update and review by non-expert proxy. That being said, I'll see what > I can do. Stacey Stacey, please... talk to us. File a ticket, join the CLDR discussion lists. http://cldr.unicode.org .. plenty of non-computer people have been involved in this process. We keep trying to make it easier to use. We do NOT expect you to learn the CLDR process before contacting us. File a bug, ask a question. If it's proper to quote it here, WP:BOLD - be bold. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD Steven (CLDR/ICU/SurveyTool)

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Re: [Mediawiki-i18n] Invitation for Localisation Development Demonstration 2012-04-17 15:00 UTC
by alolita.sharma＠gmail.com 16 Apr '12

16 Apr '12

6am PDT makes it pretty impossible for anyone from the west coast to participate :-( Why such an unfriendly time? -- Alolita Sharma ----- Reply message ----- From: "Siebrand Mazeland (WMF)" <smazeland(a)wikimedia.org> To: "MediaWiki internationalisation" <mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] Invitation for Localisation Development Demonstration 2012-04-17 15:00 UTC Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 11:21 pm Op 16 apr. 2012 om 03:02 heeft Peter Gehres <lists(a)pgehres.com> het volgende geschreven: > I would like to invite you to the Localisation Development > Demonstration on Tuesday 17 April 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones: > 06:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes > at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its > progress made during sprint 13 of release 2. > > Is the date supposed to be Tuesday, 17 April 2012? Yes, it is. Sorry. Corrected in the above text. It was already correct in the subject. -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand

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