Previous discussions have not resulted in a consensus to approve this project. I am therefore putting it to a vote.
The project meets the nominal requirements for final approval:
* It has about 7,500 pages. * For November-February, it had over ten registered editors in each month with at least ten edits. (In fact, it had at least four in each month, and usually more, with at least 100 edits.) * There was a period in 2016-17 when most months had at least three editors with at least ten edits. * March 2019 already has four editors with at least ten edits, three of whom have at least 100—and it's only the fourth day of the month. * These statistics do not include some pages and contributions in the category "Hindi" (as opposed to the core category "हिन्दी"). * Of the approximately 3,700 translations in MediaWiki Core, only four are untranslated.
MF-W has two principal objections. (If I have not stated these with sufficient clarity, please correct me.)
* First, he sees no reason to rush—if the project stays active it will be approved in due course. * I would respond to that as follows: Perhaps that is true. But if anything, I see many complaints on-wiki that it takes a long time for LangCom to decide on things, so that frequently people get tired of waiting and move on. If a project ceases to be active in general, that's one thing. But if it ceases to be active because we routinely fail to act, that's another thing entirely. * Related, MF-W feels that perhaps three months of activity is not sufficient to prove an active community exists. If so, we should discuss that separately. But based on long-standing practices here, that is the advice that I give on-wiki. Until we decide on a different standard, it's only fair for us to follow that one. * Second, he is still not fully convinced that we need separate language subdomains for Wikisource. Again, that is a subject for a different discussion, but the Hindi Wikisource community has been working with the current rules in mind.
There is nothing about this vote that triggers the need for a 2/3 majority. So a simple majority will decide. Please vote even if you have commented previously on this subject. The vote will close seven days after this email is posted—meaning at approximately 16:40 UTC on 11 March.
Steven
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Hoi, Strongly in favour. Gerard
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 17:43, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com wrote:
Previous discussions have not resulted in a consensus to approve this project. I am therefore putting it to a vote.
The project meets the nominal requirements for final approval:
- It has about 7,500 pages.
- For November-February, it had over ten registered editors in each
month with at least ten edits. (In fact, it had at least four in each month, and usually more, with at least 100 edits.) - There was a period in 2016-17 when most months had at least three editors with at least ten edits. - March 2019 already has four editors with at least ten edits, three of whom have at least 100—and it's only the fourth day of the month. - These statistics do not include some pages and contributions in the category "Hindi" (as opposed to the core category "हिन्दी").
- Of the approximately 3,700 translations in MediaWiki Core, only four
are untranslated.
MF-W has two principal objections. (If I have not stated these with sufficient clarity, please correct me.)
- First, he sees no reason to rush—if the project stays active it will
be approved in due course. - I would respond to that as follows: Perhaps that is true. But if anything, I see many complaints on-wiki that it takes a long time for LangCom to decide on things, so that frequently people get tired of waiting and move on. If a project ceases to be active in general, that's one thing. But if it ceases to be active because we routinely fail to act, that's another thing entirely. - Related, MF-W feels that perhaps three months of activity is not sufficient to prove an active community exists. If so, we should discuss that separately. But based on long-standing practices here, that is the advice that I give on-wiki. Until we decide on a different standard, it's only fair for us to follow that one.
- Second, he is still not fully convinced that we need separate
language subdomains for Wikisource. Again, that is a subject for a different discussion, but the Hindi Wikisource community has been working with the current rules in mind.
There is nothing about this vote that triggers the need for a 2/3 majority. So a simple majority will decide. Please vote even if you have commented previously on this subject. The vote will close seven days after this email is posted—meaning at approximately 16:40 UTC on 11 March.
Steven
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I’m not voting yet because I don’t understand MF’s objection. OK, if three months is not sufficient, did he make a suggestion as to what would be sufficient?
M
On 4 Mar 2019, at 17:53, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Strongly in favour. Gerard
On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 17:43, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com wrote: Previous discussions have not resulted in a consensus to approve this project. I am therefore putting it to a vote.
The project meets the nominal requirements for final approval: • It has about 7,500 pages. • For November-February, it had over ten registered editors in each month with at least ten edits. (In fact, it had at least four in each month, and usually more, with at least 100 edits.) • There was a period in 2016-17 when most months had at least three editors with at least ten edits. • March 2019 already has four editors with at least ten edits, three of whom have at least 100—and it's only the fourth day of the month. • These statistics do not include some pages and contributions in the category "Hindi" (as opposed to the core category "हिन्दी"). • Of the approximately 3,700 translations in MediaWiki Core, only four are untranslated. MF-W has two principal objections. (If I have not stated these with sufficient clarity, please correct me.) • First, he sees no reason to rush—if the project stays active it will be approved in due course. • I would respond to that as follows: Perhaps that is true. But if anything, I see many complaints on-wiki that it takes a long time for LangCom to decide on things, so that frequently people get tired of waiting and move on. If a project ceases to be active in general, that's one thing. But if it ceases to be active because we routinely fail to act, that's another thing entirely. • Related, MF-W feels that perhaps three months of activity is not sufficient to prove an active community exists. If so, we should discuss that separately. But based on long-standing practices here, that is the advice that I give on-wiki. Until we decide on a different standard, it's only fair for us to follow that one. • Second, he is still not fully convinced that we need separate language subdomains for Wikisource. Again, that is a subject for a different discussion, but the Hindi Wikisource community has been working with the current rules in mind. There is nothing about this vote that triggers the need for a 2/3 majority. So a simple majority will decide. Please vote even if you have commented previously on this subject. The vote will close seven days after this email is posted—meaning at approximately 16:40 UTC on 11 March.
Steven
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On further consideration I vote to approve the creation of Hindi Wikisource.
Michael Everson
I am obviously in favour of creating a new Wikisource for Hindi. I do however understand MF-Warburg's concern about different language version but this is not the forum for that.
Also, I don't think we shouldn't be thinking of Wikisource as a Wikipedia. While on Wikipedia, there is a need to remain updated on facts, Wikisource is completely different. We can have a good Wikisource without even having a large amount of regular editors because it's different. As a friend would say, Wikisource is a renewable resource. It would still be useful for people. This is also a discussion for another time.
For now, I strongly support creation of Hindi Wikisource.
Best Satdeep
On Tue, 5 Mar, 2019, 6:45 AM Michael Everson, everson@evertype.com wrote:
On further consideration I vote to approve the creation of Hindi Wikisource.
Michael Everson
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I too support creation, and agree wholeheartedly with Satdeep's point about the usability of even inactive Wikisources.
(And a P.S. to Steven's intro about stats – there are no more pages in the "Hindi" category, I moved them all to the correct category a few weeks ago.)
Den tir. 5. mar. 2019, 03:06 skrev Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com:
I am obviously in favour of creating a new Wikisource for Hindi. I do however understand MF-Warburg's concern about different language version but this is not the forum for that.
Also, I don't think we shouldn't be thinking of Wikisource as a Wikipedia. While on Wikipedia, there is a need to remain updated on facts, Wikisource is completely different. We can have a good Wikisource without even having a large amount of regular editors because it's different. As a friend would say, Wikisource is a renewable resource. It would still be useful for people. This is also a discussion for another time.
For now, I strongly support creation of Hindi Wikisource.
Best Satdeep
On Tue, 5 Mar, 2019, 6:45 AM Michael Everson, everson@evertype.com wrote:
On further consideration I vote to approve the creation of Hindi Wikisource.
Michael Everson
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I don't know what are exactly the rules for voting, and I actually don't like to decide things related to Wikimedia projects by voting, because I strongly prefer proper arguments. But if this comes down to a vote, I support creating the domain for Hindi.
I follow discussions about Wikisource, and I see how people are repeatedly baffled that Hindi Wikisource still doesn't exist. It should be just created.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
בתאריך יום ב׳, 4 במרץ 2019 ב-18:43 מאת Steven White < Koala19890@hotmail.com>:
Previous discussions have not resulted in a consensus to approve this project. I am therefore putting it to a vote.
The project meets the nominal requirements for final approval:
- It has about 7,500 pages.
- For November-February, it had over ten registered editors in each
month with at least ten edits. (In fact, it had at least four in each month, and usually more, with at least 100 edits.) - There was a period in 2016-17 when most months had at least three editors with at least ten edits. - March 2019 already has four editors with at least ten edits, three of whom have at least 100—and it's only the fourth day of the month. - These statistics do not include some pages and contributions in the category "Hindi" (as opposed to the core category "हिन्दी").
- Of the approximately 3,700 translations in MediaWiki Core, only four
are untranslated.
MF-W has two principal objections. (If I have not stated these with sufficient clarity, please correct me.)
- First, he sees no reason to rush—if the project stays active it will
be approved in due course. - I would respond to that as follows: Perhaps that is true. But if anything, I see many complaints on-wiki that it takes a long time for LangCom to decide on things, so that frequently people get tired of waiting and move on. If a project ceases to be active in general, that's one thing. But if it ceases to be active because we routinely fail to act, that's another thing entirely. - Related, MF-W feels that perhaps three months of activity is not sufficient to prove an active community exists. If so, we should discuss that separately. But based on long-standing practices here, that is the advice that I give on-wiki. Until we decide on a different standard, it's only fair for us to follow that one.
- Second, he is still not fully convinced that we need separate
language subdomains for Wikisource. Again, that is a subject for a different discussion, but the Hindi Wikisource community has been working with the current rules in mind.
There is nothing about this vote that triggers the need for a 2/3 majority. So a simple majority will decide. Please vote even if you have commented previously on this subject. The vote will close seven days after this email is posted—meaning at approximately 16:40 UTC on 11 March.
Steven
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