Hi,
Wikidata is adding support for sitelinks to the Multilingual Wikisource.
There's a discussion there about which language should it use. Currently it's "en", which is not quite correct: technically, the site language of Multilingual Wikisource is English, but most of the content is in other languages.
Ideally, each link should specify the language of the page to which it's linking, but currently this is not possible technically.
Until it's possible, suggestions to use "und" or "mul" have been raised: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#language...)
I don't have an opinion about this myself. Does anyone else have thoughts about it?
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Hoi, In Wikidata there is a property "title" is has a mandatory parameter in the language. It is also used for books and other publications... It is completely separate from the link to the Wiki .. it being English is totally irrelevant, it can be removed changed whatever from the Wikidata item. Thanks, Gerard
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 09:56, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hi,
Wikidata is adding support for sitelinks to the Multilingual Wikisource.
There's a discussion there about which language should it use. Currently it's "en", which is not quite correct: technically, the site language of Multilingual Wikisource is English, but most of the content is in other languages.
Ideally, each link should specify the language of the page to which it's linking, but currently this is not possible technically.
Until it's possible, suggestions to use "und" or "mul" have been raised:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#language...)
I don't have an opinion about this myself. Does anyone else have thoughts about it?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hi,
English is clearly and obviously wrong. "mul" or "und" are not perfect but far better (and "mul" seems to fit better I guess). Anyway, the multilingual wikisource is meant to be a temporary incubation so maybe we don't need perfect here as the point will solve itself eventually as the language gets its own Wikisource.
@Gerard: yes title can easily be changed (or not used, whatever and what not) but here we are talking about the language of the sitelink (which also raises the question of the language of the website which is also "en" right now), and that part can't be changed by the user (and AFAIK is unique for a wikimedia project).
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 à 13:28, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com a écrit :
Hoi, In Wikidata there is a property "title" is has a mandatory parameter in the language. It is also used for books and other publications... It is completely separate from the link to the Wiki .. it being English is totally irrelevant, it can be removed changed whatever from the Wikidata item. Thanks, Gerard
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 09:56, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Hi,
Wikidata is adding support for sitelinks to the Multilingual Wikisource.
There's a discussion there about which language should it use. Currently it's "en", which is not quite correct: technically, the site language of Multilingual Wikisource is English, but most of the content is in other languages.
Ideally, each link should specify the language of the page to which it's linking, but currently this is not possible technically.
Until it's possible, suggestions to use "und" or "mul" have been raised:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#language...)
I don't have an opinion about this myself. Does anyone else have thoughts about it?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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O_o Why do we have multiple Incubator-like platforms again? Multilingual Wikisource is a model that has clearly been rendered obsolete by the technical demands of our movement, so it -- and Beta Wikiversity for that matter -- should be merged with the Incubator. Multilingual texts, if any, can be kept as duplicates in each relevant project. It's not like Wikipedia where people can work on and improve the content and maintaining multiple copies would be problematic. WS is a repository, so it's perfectly possible to not keep everything in the same bowl. Typological distinctions are extremely controversial to begin with, and we are not exactly helping ourselves with a container project that is not built on the ISO 639-3 system.
Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com, 24 Şub 2021 Çar, 13:49 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
Hi,
English is clearly and obviously wrong. "mul" or "und" are not perfect but far better (and "mul" seems to fit better I guess). Anyway, the multilingual wikisource is meant to be a temporary incubation so maybe we don't need perfect here as the point will solve itself eventually as the language gets its own Wikisource.
@Gerard: yes title can easily be changed (or not used, whatever and what not) but here we are talking about the language of the sitelink (which also raises the question of the language of the website which is also "en" right now), and that part can't be changed by the user (and AFAIK is unique for a wikimedia project).
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 à 13:28, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com a écrit :
Hoi, In Wikidata there is a property "title" is has a mandatory parameter in the language. It is also used for books and other publications... It is completely separate from the link to the Wiki .. it being English is totally irrelevant, it can be removed changed whatever from the Wikidata item. Thanks, Gerard
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 09:56, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Hi,
Wikidata is adding support for sitelinks to the Multilingual Wikisource.
There's a discussion there about which language should it use. Currently it's "en", which is not quite correct: technically, the site language of Multilingual Wikisource is English, but most of the content is in other languages.
Ideally, each link should specify the language of the page to which it's linking, but currently this is not possible technically.
Until it's possible, suggestions to use "und" or "mul" have been raised:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#language...)
I don't have an opinion about this myself. Does anyone else have thoughts about it?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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There are always some extinct, endangered, ancient, obscure language with text to be stored on wiki yet might not have enough maintainers to create a separate project for. Unlike Wikipedia or other wiki projects where value of their content are limited to user of those languages, wikisource can keep document of languages that are used by nobody nowadays and still be interested by international audiences. It would be difficult to put them into individual language wikis that when those text might not even be fully understood by linguists.
在 2021年2月24日週三 21:36，Vito Genovese vitomedia@gmail.com 寫道：
O_o Why do we have multiple Incubator-like platforms again? Multilingual Wikisource is a model that has clearly been rendered obsolete by the technical demands of our movement, so it -- and Beta Wikiversity for that matter -- should be merged with the Incubator. Multilingual texts, if any, can be kept as duplicates in each relevant project. It's not like Wikipedia where people can work on and improve the content and maintaining multiple copies would be problematic. WS is a repository, so it's perfectly possible to not keep everything in the same bowl. Typological distinctions are extremely controversial to begin with, and we are not exactly helping ourselves with a container project that is not built on the ISO 639-3 system.
Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com, 24 Şub 2021 Çar, 13:49 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
Hi,
English is clearly and obviously wrong. "mul" or "und" are not perfect but far better (and "mul" seems to fit better I guess). Anyway, the multilingual wikisource is meant to be a temporary incubation so maybe we don't need perfect here as the point will solve itself eventually as the language gets its own Wikisource.
@Gerard: yes title can easily be changed (or not used, whatever and what not) but here we are talking about the language of the sitelink (which also raises the question of the language of the website which is also "en" right now), and that part can't be changed by the user (and AFAIK is unique for a wikimedia project).
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 à 13:28, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com a écrit :
Hoi, In Wikidata there is a property "title" is has a mandatory parameter in the language. It is also used for books and other publications... It is completely separate from the link to the Wiki .. it being English is totally irrelevant, it can be removed changed whatever from the Wikidata item. Thanks, Gerard
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 09:56, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Hi,
Wikidata is adding support for sitelinks to the Multilingual Wikisource.
There's a discussion there about which language should it use. Currently it's "en", which is not quite correct: technically, the site language of Multilingual Wikisource is English, but most of the content is in other languages.
Ideally, each link should specify the language of the page to which it's linking, but currently this is not possible technically.
Until it's possible, suggestions to use "und" or "mul" have been raised:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#language...)
I don't have an opinion about this myself. Does anyone else have thoughts about it?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Enter <und> then! :)
Phake Nick c933103@gmail.com, 24 Şub 2021 Çar, 14:45 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
There are always some extinct, endangered, ancient, obscure language with text to be stored on wiki yet might not have enough maintainers to create a separate project for. Unlike Wikipedia or other wiki projects where value of their content are limited to user of those languages, wikisource can keep document of languages that are used by nobody nowadays and still be interested by international audiences. It would be difficult to put them into individual language wikis that when those text might not even be fully understood by linguists.
在 2021年2月24日週三 21:36，Vito Genovese vitomedia@gmail.com 寫道：
O_o Why do we have multiple Incubator-like platforms again? Multilingual Wikisource is a model that has clearly been rendered obsolete by the technical demands of our movement, so it -- and Beta Wikiversity for that matter -- should be merged with the Incubator. Multilingual texts, if any, can be kept as duplicates in each relevant project. It's not like Wikipedia where people can work on and improve the content and maintaining multiple copies would be problematic. WS is a repository, so it's perfectly possible to not keep everything in the same bowl. Typological distinctions are extremely controversial to begin with, and we are not exactly helping ourselves with a container project that is not built on the ISO 639-3 system.
Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com, 24 Şub 2021 Çar, 13:49 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
Hi,
English is clearly and obviously wrong. "mul" or "und" are not perfect but far better (and "mul" seems to fit better I guess). Anyway, the multilingual wikisource is meant to be a temporary incubation so maybe we don't need perfect here as the point will solve itself eventually as the language gets its own Wikisource.
@Gerard: yes title can easily be changed (or not used, whatever and what not) but here we are talking about the language of the sitelink (which also raises the question of the language of the website which is also "en" right now), and that part can't be changed by the user (and AFAIK is unique for a wikimedia project).
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 à 13:28, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hoi, In Wikidata there is a property "title" is has a mandatory parameter in the language. It is also used for books and other publications... It is completely separate from the link to the Wiki .. it being English is totally irrelevant, it can be removed changed whatever from the Wikidata item. Thanks, Gerard
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 09:56, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Hi,
Wikidata is adding support for sitelinks to the Multilingual Wikisource.
There's a discussion there about which language should it use. Currently it's "en", which is not quite correct: technically, the site language of Multilingual Wikisource is English, but most of the content is in other languages.
Ideally, each link should specify the language of the page to which it's linking, but currently this is not possible technically.
Until it's possible, suggestions to use "und" or "mul" have been raised:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#language...)
I don't have an opinion about this myself. Does anyone else have thoughts about it?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Hoi, You are right. One other solution could be to support it in the same way as Commons; without a language code. Thanks, GerardM
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 13:49, Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
English is clearly and obviously wrong. "mul" or "und" are not perfect but far better (and "mul" seems to fit better I guess). Anyway, the multilingual wikisource is meant to be a temporary incubation so maybe we don't need perfect here as the point will solve itself eventually as the language gets its own Wikisource.
@Gerard: yes title can easily be changed (or not used, whatever and what not) but here we are talking about the language of the sitelink (which also raises the question of the language of the website which is also "en" right now), and that part can't be changed by the user (and AFAIK is unique for a wikimedia project).
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 à 13:28, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com a écrit :
Hoi, In Wikidata there is a property "title" is has a mandatory parameter in the language. It is also used for books and other publications... It is completely separate from the link to the Wiki .. it being English is totally irrelevant, it can be removed changed whatever from the Wikidata item. Thanks, Gerard
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 09:56, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Hi,
Wikidata is adding support for sitelinks to the Multilingual Wikisource.
There's a discussion there about which language should it use. Currently it's "en", which is not quite correct: technically, the site language of Multilingual Wikisource is English, but most of the content is in other languages.
Ideally, each link should specify the language of the page to which it's linking, but currently this is not possible technically.
Until it's possible, suggestions to use "und" or "mul" have been raised:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#language...)
I don't have an opinion about this myself. Does anyone else have thoughts about it?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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Hi,
"Why does Multilingual Wikisource exist" is a long and unrelated question (but to sum it very badly and quickly: Multilingual Wikisource is not just an incubator, it's also a kind of Meta for Wikisource and has some specific uses and extensions).
That said, thanks Vito! It gave me an idea, I looked at the Incubator, Meta, Wikidata or Commons sitelinks in Wikidata : *the language of these sitelinks is also English* (see this SPARQL query https://w.wiki/32N5 ). The problem is more general than just the Multilingual Wikisource...
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 à 14:55, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com a écrit :
Hoi, You are right. One other solution could be to support it in the same way as Commons; without a language code. Thanks, GerardM
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 13:49, Nicolas VIGNERON vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
English is clearly and obviously wrong. "mul" or "und" are not perfect but far better (and "mul" seems to fit better I guess). Anyway, the multilingual wikisource is meant to be a temporary incubation so maybe we don't need perfect here as the point will solve itself eventually as the language gets its own Wikisource.
@Gerard: yes title can easily be changed (or not used, whatever and what not) but here we are talking about the language of the sitelink (which also raises the question of the language of the website which is also "en" right now), and that part can't be changed by the user (and AFAIK is unique for a wikimedia project).
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 à 13:28, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com a écrit :
Hoi, In Wikidata there is a property "title" is has a mandatory parameter in the language. It is also used for books and other publications... It is completely separate from the link to the Wiki .. it being English is totally irrelevant, it can be removed changed whatever from the Wikidata item. Thanks, Gerard
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 09:56, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Hi,
Wikidata is adding support for sitelinks to the Multilingual Wikisource.
There's a discussion there about which language should it use. Currently it's "en", which is not quite correct: technically, the site language of Multilingual Wikisource is English, but most of the content is in other languages.
Ideally, each link should specify the language of the page to which it's linking, but currently this is not possible technically.
Until it's possible, suggestions to use "und" or "mul" have been raised:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#language...)
I don't have an opinion about this myself. Does anyone else have thoughts about it?
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As an active Wikisourceror myself, I greatly value Multilingual Wikisource (which in my opinion should have the code "mul") and would be very sorry to see it either broken up into its various languages or relegated to Incubator. Some points from my experience:
1. I'm active in adding texts in both Irish and Welsh. Welsh has its own separate Wikisource; Irish does not. I much prefer adding Irish texts to mul-ws than adding Welsh texts to cy-ws because the infrastructure support is much better. If something goes weird with formatting or display or something, there is always somebody at mul-ws who can fix it for me. At cy-ws, on the other hand, I am often the only editor there for months on end, and on the rare occasions when somebody else does show up, it's almost certain not to be someone who has experience fixing Wikimedia projects' formatting and display. So cy-ws feels much more lonely and much less well tech-supported than mul-ws. I will never request a separate Irish Wikisource for this reason; I /want/ Irish to stay at mul-ws. 2. The individual Wikisources have their own rules about what texts are allowed there, and some individual WSes have more restrictive rules than mul-ws does. This pertains to copyright in some cases, but not in all cases. For example, I wanted to add a German-language reference grammar and reader of Old Irish to German Wikisource and was informed that the text was unwelcome there. There was no copyright problem, as the work is clearly public domain (> 70 years p.m.a.), nor was the problem that the Reader portion of the book is in Old Irish. The problem is that the last text I entered on German Wikisource has never been completely validated. German Wikisource works strictly on the 4-eye principle: each text has to be validated by a different user than the one who did the initial proofreading. The previous text I added was a highly technical and esoteric phonetic description of a dialect of Modern Irish, and no other German Wikisourceror has felt equal to the task of validating it, presumably because of all the special characters involved (a lot of weird phonetic characters that are nearly unique to this work) and probably the boring nature of the text to anyone who isn't a specialist. And since the first work I put up on de-ws has remained unvalidated for over a decade, I was told in no uncertain terms that I was not welcome to add the second work, because there was so little chance that it would ever be validated. So I'm adding it to mul-ws instead, since it is technically a multilingual work (Grammar portion in German and Reader portion in Old Irish); but ultimately the real reason is that the arcane and unpopular nature of the texts I'm interested in uploading have made me /persona non grata/ at German Wikisource.
Am 2021-02-24 um 15:44 schrieb Nicolas VIGNERON:
Hi,
"Why does Multilingual Wikisource exist" is a long and unrelated question (but to sum it very badly and quickly: Multilingual Wikisource is not just an incubator, it's also a kind of Meta for Wikisource and has some specific uses and extensions).
That said, thanks Vito! It gave me an idea, I looked at the Incubator, Meta, Wikidata or Commons sitelinks in Wikidata : *the language of these sitelinks is also English* (see this SPARQL query https://w.wiki/32N5 https://w.wiki/32N5 ). The problem is more general than just the Multilingual Wikisource...
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 à 14:55, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> a écrit :
Hoi, You are right. One other solution could be to support it in the same way as Commons; without a language code. Thanks, GerardM On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 13:49, Nicolas VIGNERON <vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com <mailto:vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, English is clearly and obviously wrong. "mul" or "und" are not perfect but far better (and "mul" seems to fit better I guess). Anyway, the multilingual wikisource is meant to be a temporary incubation so maybe we don't need perfect here as the point will solve itself eventually as the language gets its own Wikisource. @Gerard: yes title can easily be changed (or not used, whatever and what not) but here we are talking about the language of the sitelink (which also raises the question of the language of the website which is also "en" right now), and that part can't be changed by the user (and AFAIK is unique for a wikimedia project). Cheers, ~nicolas Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 à 13:28, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> a écrit : Hoi, In Wikidata there is a property "title" is has a mandatory parameter in the language. It is also used for books and other publications... It is completely separate from the link to the Wiki .. it being English is totally irrelevant, it can be removed changed whatever from the Wikidata item. Thanks, Gerard On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 09:56, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il <mailto:amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote: Hi, Wikidata is adding support for sitelinks to the Multilingual Wikisource. There's a discussion there about which language should it use. Currently it's "en", which is not quite correct: technically, the site language of Multilingual Wikisource is English, but most of the content is in other languages. Ideally, each link should specify the language of the page to which it's linking, but currently this is not possible technically. Until it's possible, suggestions to use "und" or "mul" have been raised: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#language_of_https://wikisource.org/_:_currently_%22en%22_(_phab:T138332) <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#language_of_https://wikisource.org/_:_currently_%22en%22_(_phab:T138332)> I don't have an opinion about this myself. Does anyone else have thoughts about it? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com <http://aharoni.wordpress.com> “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom> _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom> _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom> _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom>
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Am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021 um 17:10 Uhr schrieb Antony Green toniogreen@web.de:
but ultimately the real reason is that the arcane and unpopular nature of the texts I'm interested in uploading have made me *persona non grata* at German Wikisource.
I think that's awfully sad! - But, to the original question, can someone tell me where the language code, whether en or mul/und part would appear at all? I don't understand what is being discussed. When I look at current interwiki links on WD, I see they have their language code next to it - surely the Multilingual Wikisource entries should not have "en" - is that the question here?
To be fair, I'm not sure either. Actually, "mul" already works; at least, typing [[s:mul:Thesaurus Palaeohibernicus]] at Wikipedia successfully creates a link to https://wikisource.org/wiki/Thesaurus_Palaeohibernicus. ([[oldwikisource:Thesaurus Palaeohibernicus]] also works). Maybe they're talking about changing the actual URL to "https://mul.wikisource.org/".
Am 2021-02-24 um 18:11 schrieb MF-Warburg:
Am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021 um 17:10 Uhr schrieb Antony Green <toniogreen@web.de mailto:toniogreen@web.de>:
but ultimately the real reason is that the arcane and unpopular nature of the texts I'm interested in uploading have made me /persona non grata/ at German Wikisource.I think that's awfully sad! - But, to the original question, can someone tell me where the language code, whether en or mul/und part would appear at all? I don't understand what is being discussed. When I look at current interwiki links on WD, I see they have their language code next to it - surely the Multilingual Wikisource entries should not have "en" - is that the question here?
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No, that's the interwiki link (and project renames are, for all practical purposes, blocked on thousands of technical problems). This is about something on Wikidata which would be visible around here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q76486#footer
Am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021 um 22:28 Uhr schrieb Antony Green toniogreen@web.de:
To be fair, I'm not sure either. Actually, "mul" already works; at least, typing [[s:mul:Thesaurus Palaeohibernicus]] at Wikipedia successfully creates a link to https://wikisource.org/wiki/Thesaurus_Palaeohibernicus. ([[oldwikisource:Thesaurus Palaeohibernicus]] also works). Maybe they're talking about changing the actual URL to "https://mul.wikisource.org/" https://mul.wikisource.org/. Am 2021-02-24 um 18:11 schrieb MF-Warburg:
Am Mi., 24. Feb. 2021 um 17:10 Uhr schrieb Antony Green <toniogreen@web.de
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but ultimately the real reason is that the arcane and unpopular nature of the texts I'm interested in uploading have made me *persona non grata* at German Wikisource.
I think that's awfully sad! - But, to the original question, can someone tell me where the language code, whether en or mul/und part would appear at all? I don't understand what is being discussed. When I look at current interwiki links on WD, I see they have their language code next to it - surely the Multilingual Wikisource entries should not have "en" - is that the question here?
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I think that's awfully sad! - But, to the original question, can someone tell me where the language code, whether en or mul/und part would appear at all? I don't understand what is being discussed. When I look at current interwiki links on WD, I see they have their language code next to it - surely the Multilingual Wikisource entries should not have "en" - is that the question here?
It doesn't appear anywhere on the Wikidata interface (AFAIK) but it is stored in the data and you can see it when doing a SPARQL query (like the one I gave before, more specifically with the schema:inLanguage predicate), probably in other tools reusing the data (through the API for instance).
Right now, (at least) 6 multilingual projects are tagged as in English: Commons, Meta, Species, Multilingual Wikisource, Mediawiki and Wikidata.
Cdlt, ~nicolas
Hello, Wikidata dev here. Technically, Wikidata uses the language of wikis to show to the users (changing that assumption and having a list of sites that should show a different language than their actual language is not that hard but not that easy either). And the language of these wikis are indeed English. It's the language of the interface (e.g. when you visit the commons.wikimedia.org logged-out). Having a different interface language requires you to copy-paste all of English translations of the interface there in translatewiki (and keep it updated, etc.) which can be quite challenging.
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On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:53 PM Nicolas VIGNERON < vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that's awfully sad! - But, to the original question, can someone
tell me where the language code, whether en or mul/und part would appear at all? I don't understand what is being discussed. When I look at current interwiki links on WD, I see they have their language code next to it - surely the Multilingual Wikisource entries should not have "en" - is that the question here?
It doesn't appear anywhere on the Wikidata interface (AFAIK) but it is stored in the data and you can see it when doing a SPARQL query (like the one I gave before, more specifically with the schema:inLanguage predicate), probably in other tools reusing the data (through the API for instance).
Right now, (at least) 6 multilingual projects are tagged as in English: Commons, Meta, Species, Multilingual Wikisource, Mediawiki and Wikidata.
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