As an active Wikisourceror myself, I greatly value Multilingual
Wikisource (which in my opinion should have the code "mul") and would be
very sorry to see it either broken up into its various languages or
relegated to Incubator. Some points from my experience:
1. I'm active in adding texts in both Irish and Welsh. Welsh has its
own separate Wikisource; Irish does not. I much prefer adding Irish
texts to mul-ws than adding Welsh texts to cy-ws because the
infrastructure support is much better. If something goes weird with
formatting or display or something, there is always somebody at
mul-ws who can fix it for me. At cy-ws, on the other hand, I am
often the only editor there for months on end, and on the rare
occasions when somebody else does show up, it's almost certain not
to be someone who has experience fixing Wikimedia projects'
formatting and display. So cy-ws feels much more lonely and much
less well tech-supported than mul-ws. I will never request a
separate Irish Wikisource for this reason; I /want/ Irish to stay at
mul-ws.
2. The individual Wikisources have their own rules about what texts are
allowed there, and some individual WSes have more restrictive rules
than mul-ws does. This pertains to copyright in some cases, but not
in all cases. For example, I wanted to add a German-language
reference grammar and reader of Old Irish to German Wikisource and
was informed that the text was unwelcome there. There was no
copyright problem, as the work is clearly public domain (> 70 years
p.m.a.), nor was the problem that the Reader portion of the book is
in Old Irish. The problem is that the last text I entered on German
Wikisource has never been completely validated. German Wikisource
works strictly on the 4-eye principle: each text has to be validated
by a different user than the one who did the initial proofreading.
The previous text I added was a highly technical and esoteric
phonetic description of a dialect of Modern Irish, and no other
German Wikisourceror has felt equal to the task of validating it,
presumably because of all the special characters involved (a lot of
weird phonetic characters that are nearly unique to this work) and
probably the boring nature of the text to anyone who isn't a
specialist. And since the first work I put up on de-ws has remained
unvalidated for over a decade, I was told in no uncertain terms that
I was not welcome to add the second work, because there was so
little chance that it would ever be validated. So I'm adding it to
mul-ws instead, since it is technically a multilingual work (Grammar
portion in German and Reader portion in Old Irish); but ultimately
the real reason is that the arcane and unpopular nature of the texts
I'm interested in uploading have made me /persona non grata/ at
German Wikisource.
Am 2021-02-24 um 15:44 schrieb Nicolas VIGNERON:
Hi,
"Why does Multilingual Wikisource exist" is a long and unrelated
question (but to sum it very badly and quickly: Multilingual
Wikisource is not just an incubator, it's also a kind of Meta for
Wikisource and has some specific uses and extensions).
That said, thanks Vito! It gave me an idea, I looked at the Incubator,
Meta, Wikidata or Commons sitelinks in Wikidata : *the language of
these sitelinks is also English* (see this SPARQL query
https://w.wiki/32N5 <https://w.wiki/32N5> ).
The problem is more general than just the Multilingual Wikisource...
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 à 14:55, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> a écrit :
Hoi,
You are right. One other solution could be to support it in the
same way as Commons; without a language code.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 13:49, Nicolas VIGNERON
<vigneron.nicolas(a)gmail.com <mailto:vigneron.nicolas@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Hi,
English is clearly and obviously wrong. "mul" or "und" are
not
perfect but far better (and "mul" seems to fit better I guess).
Anyway, the multilingual wikisource is meant to be a temporary
incubation so maybe we don't need perfect here as the point
will solve itself eventually as the language gets its own
Wikisource.
@Gerard: yes title can easily be changed (or not used,
whatever and what not) but here we are talking about the
language of the sitelink (which also raises the question of
the language of the website which is also "en" right now), and
that part can't be changed by the user (and AFAIK is unique
for a wikimedia project).
Cheers, ~nicolas
Le mer. 24 févr. 2021 à 13:28, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>>
a écrit :
Hoi,
In Wikidata there is a property "title" is has a mandatory
parameter in the language. It is also used for books and
other publications... It is completely separate from the
link to the Wiki .. it being English is totally
irrelevant, it can be removed changed whatever from the
Wikidata item.
Thanks,
Gerard
On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 09:56, Amir E. Aharoni
<amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il
<mailto:amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote:
Hi,
Wikidata is adding support for sitelinks to the
Multilingual Wikisource.
There's a discussion there about which language should
it use. Currently it's "en", which is not quite
correct: technically, the site language of
Multilingual Wikisource is English, but most of the
content is in other languages.
Ideally, each link should specify the language of the
page to which it's linking, but currently this is not
possible technically.
Until it's possible, suggestions to use "und" or
"mul"
have been raised:
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#languag…
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Contact_the_development_team#language_of_https://wikisource.org/_:_currently_%22en%22_(_phab:T138332)>
I don't have an opinion about this myself. Does anyone
else have thoughts about it?
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