I promised I was going to keep old project requests moving along after the new year. So here are four:
Wikipedia Swabianhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Swabian: Propose to reject. Although it has a language code, Swabian is already included within Alemannic Wikipedia. Starting initial seven-day clock on this now.
Wikipedia Manchuhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Manchu_2 (on hold since March 2010, waiting for native speakers): Marking eligible. This project has been fairly active on Incubator recently, and the tool to allow the vertical Manchu script is working very nicely.
Wikipedia Kutchihttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kutchi: Marking eligible. Has a language code, and about 875,000 speakers in India and Pakistan.
Wikipedia Kumaonihttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kumaoni: Marking as "on hold". In principle, should be eligible. But there is no test project on Incubator, and most speakers are bilingual in Hindi. (It's not that these are mutually intelligible languages, just that Hindi is a lingua franca in the area.) So I'd like to place this on hold until someone comes who is interested in starting the project.
Steven
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I support your suggestions in all four cases.
Should we start looking for a Manchu expert concerning verification?
On the other hand, they may not have fulfilled the requirements yet. There do not seem to be enough translated messages [1]. And the active editors rarely have 10+ edits per month *consistently* [2].
In any case, it's a nice development indeed.
Oliver
[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=mnc
[2] https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=wp/mnc&...
On 02-Jan-18 23:35, Steven White wrote:
I promised I was going to keep old project requests moving along after the new year. So here are four:
Wikipedia Swabian https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Swabian: Propose to reject. Although it has a language code, Swabian is already included within Alemannic Wikipedia. Starting initial seven-day clock on this now.
Wikipedia Manchu https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Manchu_2 (on hold since March 2010, waiting for native speakers): Marking eligible. This project has been fairly active on Incubator recently, and the tool to allow the vertical Manchu script is working very nicely.
Wikipedia Kutchi https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kutchi: Marking eligible. Has a language code, and about 875,000 speakers in India and Pakistan.
Wikipedia Kumaoni https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kumaoni: Marking as "on hold". In principle, should be eligible. But there is no test project on Incubator, and most speakers are bilingual in Hindi. (It's not that these are mutually intelligible languages, just that Hindi is a lingua franca in the area.) So I'd like to place this on hold until someone comes who is interested in starting the project.
Steven
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Hoi, Alemannic is the problem here; it is outside of ISO 639 3 and only exists because it predates the language policy. In many ways it is the macro language discussion about inclusion all over again except that Alemannic is .. different. Thanks, GerardM
On 2 January 2018 at 23:35, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com wrote:
I promised I was going to keep old project requests moving along after the new year. So here are four:
Wikipedia Swabian https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Swabian: Propose to reject. Although it has a language code, Swabian is already included within Alemannic Wikipedia. Starting initial seven-day clock on this now.
Wikipedia Manchu https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Manchu_2 (on hold since March 2010, waiting for native speakers): Marking eligible. This project has been fairly active on Incubator recently, and the tool to allow the vertical Manchu script is working very nicely.
Wikipedia Kutchi https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kutchi: Marking eligible. Has a language code, and about 875,000 speakers in India and Pakistan.
Wikipedia Kumaoni https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kumaoni: Marking as "on hold". In principle, should be eligible. But there is no test project on Incubator, and most speakers are bilingual in Hindi. (It's not that these are mutually intelligible languages, just that Hindi is a lingua franca in the area.) So I'd like to place this on hold until someone comes who is interested in starting the project.
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Indeed!
To this German speaker, the existence of the Alemannic wikipedia constitutes a nice middle ground. As Gerard wrote, it's the old debate about macro languages (which includes the debate about distinctions between dialect and language). There will always be joiners and splitters, i.e. we cannot satisfy everybody. Alemannic, however, is neither extremely splitting (i.e. having a separate wikipedia for each of its constituent languages) nor extremely joining (i.e. demanding that it be subsumed under de:wp). I wholeheartedly support the "problem" of Alemannic!
(Maybe, we need to change our stance towards macro languages without opening Pandora's box, if that were possible ... - I know we've tried and failed a number of times!)
Fwiw, Oliver
On 05-Jan-18 07:31, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, Alemannic is the problem here; it is outside of ISO 639 3 and only exists because it predates the language policy. In many ways it is the macro language discussion about inclusion all over again except that Alemannic is .. different. Thanks, GerardM
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I promised I was going to keep old project requests moving along after the new year. So here are four: Wikipedia Swabian <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Swabian>: Propose to reject. Although it has a language code, Swabian is already included within Alemannic Wikipedia. Starting initial seven-day clock on this now. Wikipedia Manchu <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Manchu_2> (on hold since March 2010, waiting for native speakers): Marking eligible. This project has been fairly active on Incubator recently, and the tool to allow the vertical Manchu script is working very nicely. Wikipedia Kutchi <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kutchi>: Marking eligible. Has a language code, and about 875,000 speakers in India and Pakistan. Wikipedia Kumaoni <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Kumaoni>: Marking as "on hold". In principle, should be eligible. But there is no test project on Incubator, and most speakers are bilingual in Hindi. (It's not that these are mutually intelligible languages, just that Hindi is a lingua franca in the area.) So I'd like to place this on hold until someone comes who is interested in starting the project. Steven Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom>http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient Virus-free. www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
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