Indeed!

To this German speaker, the existence of the Alemannic wikipedia constitutes a nice middle ground. As Gerard wrote, it's the old debate about macro languages (which includes the debate about distinctions between dialect and language). There will always be joiners and splitters, i.e. we cannot satisfy everybody. Alemannic, however, is neither extremely splitting (i.e. having a separate wikipedia for each of its constituent languages) nor extremely joining (i.e. demanding that it be subsumed under de:wp). I wholeheartedly support the "problem" of Alemannic!

(Maybe, we need to change our stance towards macro languages without opening Pandora's box, if that were possible ... - I know we've tried and failed a number of times!)

Fwiw,
Oliver

Hoi,

Alemannic is the problem here; it is outside of ISO 639 3 and only exists because it predates the language policy. In many ways it is the macro language discussion about inclusion all over again except that Alemannic is .. different.

Thanks,

     GerardM

On 2 January 2018 at 23:35, Steven White <Koala19890@hotmail.com> wrote:

I promised I was going to keep old project requests moving along after the new year. So here are four:

Wikipedia Swabian: Propose to reject. Although it has a language code, Swabian is already included within Alemannic Wikipedia.  Starting initial seven-day clock on this now.

Wikipedia Manchu (on hold since March 2010, waiting for native speakers): Marking eligible. This project has been fairly active on Incubator recently, and the tool to allow the vertical Manchu script is working very nicely.

Wikipedia Kutchi: Marking eligible. Has a language code, and about 875,000 speakers in India and Pakistan.

Wikipedia Kumaoni: Marking as "on hold". In principle, should be eligible. But there is no test project on Incubator, and most speakers are bilingual in Hindi. (It's not that these are mutually intelligible languages, just that Hindi is a lingua franca in the area.) So I'd like to place this on hold until someone comes who is interested in starting the project.

Steven

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