Forwarding to the new list. ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- Von: "MF-Warburg" mfwarburg@googlemail.com Datum: 26.11.2014 12:44 Betreff: Re: [Langcom-l] name of Tunisian An: "Wikimedia Foundation Language committee" <langcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
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If we want the pages to be deleted, the best way is to start a request for deleting the test-project on [[incubator:I:RFD]]. Am 26.11.2014 11:52 schrieb "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il
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OK. I'll start a separate thread about it, because it may have wide implications and it deserves attention.
For now I committed a patch to at least update the Arabic script language name to something sensible, as was suggested in this thread: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/175972/
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2014-11-26 6:36 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen info@oliverstegen.net:
It's a really difficult call, and I'd appreciate if other LangCom members could pitch in. While NPOV normally applies to the content of individual articles, I consider it applicable to the entire stance of this group, and I would feel really uncomfortable having them affiliated with Wikimedia. But that is just my opinion ...
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On 25-Nov-14 10:27 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
OK, I don't mind. However, this pretty much invalidates the content of the current incubator. I am not sure what to do about that. Suggest them to export it to some non-Wikimedia wiki?
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2014-11-25 21:12 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen info@oliverstegen.net:
Sorry to disagree but based on what my contact scholar for Tunisian Arabic writes, I cannot approve this with a good conscience (see relevant section of his message copied below). Fwiw, Oliver
"[...] it looks, despite the claims made on the website ("this project is not against any language"), to be an almost anti-Arabic project, out of tune with the wider population in choice of script, and even then showing both inconsistencies in writing, and writing allophones according to how the sound would be written in French. Even the style of Latin script is not how Tunisians write when doing so in Latin script - there seems to be a nod to Maltese, and I, even with an awareness of how Maltese works, had difficulty in reading it in places. Also they seem to prefer technical terms from French than (even commonly used) ones from Standard Arabic. Chances of any of this being adopted... low. But thanks for the link!"
On 24-Nov-14 11:24 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Reviving this, as I got a bit of new information.
See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70207 .
(In case you didn't know, Wikimedia moved from Bugzilla to a new task tracking tool called Phabricator, or Phab for short.)
See the last comment there. The guy introduces himself as "a group of activists with some knowledge of Linguistics", and the website about their work about the writing system is https://sites.google.com/site/stundardtunsi/
I am kinda inclined to approve that their work would be in the Latin script. Despite using the free Google Sites platform, they appear to be serious, and I cannot see anybody else picking this up. On the other hand, I really don't want to make the final call. It probably won't be useful, at least initially, to schoolchildren there.
So there - you have the facts. Any ideas?
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2014-08-07 10:55 GMT+03:00 Oliver Stegen info@oliverstegen.net:
Sorry for the delay in replying.
My colleague agrees that Tounsi / تونسي is the correct autonym of the Tunisian Arabic language (ISO: aeb). He considers the current name زَوُن to be "a made-up bit of fun". However, he does not believe that Latin script is more widespread or common but considers Arabic script to be the default of Tunisian Arabic (aeb):
"I think Arabic would be better, but it depends on the community (in country most writing now is in Arabic script, as it's easier than it was - a few years ago Latin script dominated in chatting, but only Arabic script in public uses in country)"
Just quoting - hope it helps. Oliver
On 29-Jul-14 7:26 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
Sorry, just saw this now. (I was offline for two weeks until Sunday.) I've asked a colleague of mine who is a linguist scholar of Tunisian Arabic - will keep you posted once I received his reply. Oliver
On 19-Jul-14 9:50 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Hi,
I wasn't quite sure about what to do with this bug: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68207
The request is to correct the autonym of the Tunisian Arabic language (ISO: aeb) in our software, and to set French as its fallback.
I don't have much to add to what the bug report already says. I am not really opposed to the request, because the current name is probably wrong (I have not idea where did it come from), but I also don't really know whether the requested change is right. It kinda puts me in the position of giving a "seal of approval" to something that may some day become a standard and it's definitely not a decision that I want to make completely on my own.
Any other opinions?
Thanks!
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