Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2 I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement of the current voting policy.
Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
Steven
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Hi,
Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one LangCom
member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that has no violatons of fundamental rules
Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom voting rules as stated at: < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikim... and the closure of projects policy decision policy < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikim....
There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on this list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, with the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
None of such steps have been taken.
The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
Thanks, M.
If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported and no one opposed. Thanks, M.
El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com escribió:
Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2 I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement of the current voting policy.
Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
Steven
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Hi,
Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one LangCom
member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that has no violatons of fundamental rules
Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom voting rules as stated at: <
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikim... and the
closure of projects policy decision policy <
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikim...
.
There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on this list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, with the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
None of such steps have been taken.
The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
Thanks, M.
Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open.
Fwiw, Oliver
On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote:
If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported and no one opposed. Thanks, M.
El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White <Koala19890@hotmail.com mailto:Koala19890@hotmail.com> escribió:
Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2 I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement of the current voting policy. Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of policy have been met, I will continue to move things along. Steven Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Langcom <langcom-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:langcom-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org>> on behalf of langcom-request@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:langcom-request@lists.wikimedia.org> <langcom-request@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:langcom-request@lists.wikimedia.org>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 8:00 AM *To:* langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> *Subject:* Langcom Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9 Send Langcom mailing list submissions to langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=8eKULGE1sOMGx5UXaGByVCGx09a7CGO6DWv9MtK3kbw%3D&reserved=0 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to langcom-request@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:langcom-request@lists.wikimedia.org> You can reach the person managing the list at langcom-owner@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:langcom-owner@lists.wikimedia.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Langcom digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio) 2. Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson) 3. Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final set) (Steven White) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200 From: MarcoAurelio <strigiwm@gmail.com <mailto:strigiwm@gmail.com>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:langcom@lists.wikimedia.org>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates Message-ID: <CA+DRDAauKMKWhEYz6mMrz0_ow58FHELjOQKBb0U4XY=MnP5NmA@mail.gmail.com <mailto:MnP5NmA@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi, > > Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one LangCom member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that has no violatons of fundamental rules > Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom voting rules as stated at: < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLanguage_committee%2FVoting_policy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=jjM1Wdz7W1Jj5KjF%2BXSD%2BbmWbwtbyX5czOknGsv1GQs%3D&reserved=0> and the closure of projects policy decision policy < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FClosing_projects_policy%23Decision&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata=ChBxgo77hyK0Hp3WfOxEv22YQS9KiV8pqAELqkfFKFw%3D&reserved=0>. There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on this list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, with the Board holding ultimate vetoing power. None of such steps have been taken. The decision should be reversed as being done against policy. Thanks, M.
Hi,
Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring consensus to close the project in the PCP page.
Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk can formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal). Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough.
Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this committee.
Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it.
Regards, M.
2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open.
Fwiw, Oliver
On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote:
If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported and no one opposed. Thanks, M.
El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com escribió:
Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2 I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement of the current voting policy.
Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
Steven
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- Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio)
- Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson)
- Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final set) (Steven White)
Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200 From: MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates Message-ID: <CA+DRDAauKMKWhEYz6mMrz0_ow58FHELjOQKBb0U4XY=MnP5NmA@ mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi,
Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one
LangCom member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that has no violatons of fundamental rules
Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom voting rules as stated at: < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLanguage_ committee%2FVoting_policy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59eda bbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0% 7C636589584646177925&sdata=jjM1Wdz7W1Jj5KjF%2BXSD% 2BbmWbwtbyX5czOknGsv1GQs%3D&reserved=0> and the
closure of projects policy decision policy < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FClosing_projects_ policy%23Decision&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba% 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata= ChBxgo77hyK0Hp3WfOxEv22YQS9KiV8pqAELqkfFKFw%3D&reserved=0>.
There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on this list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, with the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
None of such steps have been taken.
The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
Thanks, M.
Hoi, The Language Committee does not have your need to be bureaucratic. Given the amount of work done by Steven he has considerable room to maneuver. So no, I do not agree with your legalistic point of view. Thanks, GerardM
On 10 April 2018 at 22:28, MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring consensus to close the project in the PCP page.
Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk can formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal). Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough.
Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this committee.
Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it.
Regards, M.
2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open.
Fwiw, Oliver
On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote:
If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported and no one opposed. Thanks, M.
El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com escribió:
Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2 I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement of the current voting policy.
Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
Steven
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- Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio)
- Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson)
- Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final set) (Steven White)
Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200 From: MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates Message-ID: <CA+DRDAauKMKWhEYz6mMrz0_ow58FHELjOQKBb0U4XY=MnP5NmA@mail. gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi,
Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one
LangCom member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that has no violatons of fundamental rules
Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom voting rules as stated at: < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https% 3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLanguage_committee% 2FVoting_policy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59 edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6365895 84646177925&sdata=jjM1Wdz7W1Jj5KjF%2BXSD%2BbmWbwtbyX5czOknGs v1GQs%3D&reserved=0> and the
closure of projects policy decision policy < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https% 3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FClosing_projects_poli cy%23Decision&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59eda bbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6365895846 46177925&sdata=ChBxgo77hyK0Hp3WfOxEv22YQS9KiV8pqAELqkfFKFw%3D&reserved=0
.
There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on this list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, with the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
None of such steps have been taken.
The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
Thanks, M.
Ah of course, rules are for outsiders then. I have reopened the discussion as it was closed against policy.
2018-04-10 22:32 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, The Language Committee does not have your need to be bureaucratic. Given the amount of work done by Steven he has considerable room to maneuver. So no, I do not agree with your legalistic point of view. Thanks, GerardM
On 10 April 2018 at 22:28, MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring consensus to close the project in the PCP page.
Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk can formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal). Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough.
Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this committee.
Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it.
Regards, M.
2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open.
Fwiw, Oliver
On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote:
If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported and no one opposed. Thanks, M.
El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com escribió:
Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2 I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement of the current voting policy.
Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
Steven
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- Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio)
- Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson)
- Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final set) (Steven White)
Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200 From: MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates Message-ID: <CA+DRDAauKMKWhEYz6mMrz0_ow58FHELjOQKBb0U4XY=MnP5NmA@mail.gm ail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi,
Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one
LangCom member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that has no violatons of fundamental rules
Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom voting rules as stated at: < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A %2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLanguage_committee%2FVotin g_policy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59eda bbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6365895846 46177925&sdata=jjM1Wdz7W1Jj5KjF%2BXSD%2BbmWbwtbyX5czOknGsv1G Qs%3D&reserved=0> and the
closure of projects policy decision policy < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A %2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FClosing_projects_policy% 23Decision&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbb a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6365895846461 77925&sdata=ChBxgo77hyK0Hp3WfOxEv22YQS9KiV8pqAELqkfFKFw%3D&reserved=0>.
There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on this list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, with the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
None of such steps have been taken.
The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
Thanks, M.
Hoi, There are short lines of communications. Personally I hate when there is too much bureacracy. Your opening the discussion is EXACTLY why I have a distaste for these line of arguments. It is not up to you. Thanks, GerardM
On 10 April 2018 at 22:35, MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com wrote:
Ah of course, rules are for outsiders then. I have reopened the discussion as it was closed against policy.
2018-04-10 22:32 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, The Language Committee does not have your need to be bureaucratic. Given the amount of work done by Steven he has considerable room to maneuver. So no, I do not agree with your legalistic point of view. Thanks, GerardM
On 10 April 2018 at 22:28, MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring consensus to close the project in the PCP page.
Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk can formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal). Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough.
Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this committee.
Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it.
Regards, M.
2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open.
Fwiw, Oliver
On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote:
If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported and no one opposed. Thanks, M.
El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White < Koala19890@hotmail.com> escribió:
Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2 I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement of the current voting policy.
Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
Steven
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- Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio)
- Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson)
- Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final set) (Steven White)
Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200 From: MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates Message-ID: <CA+DRDAauKMKWhEYz6mMrz0_ow58FHELjOQKBb0U4XY=MnP5NmA@mail.gm ail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi,
Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one
LangCom member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that has no violatons of fundamental rules
Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom voting rules as stated at: < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A %2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLanguage_committee%2FVotin g_policy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba% 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177 925&sdata=jjM1Wdz7W1Jj5KjF%2BXSD%2BbmWbwtbyX5czOknGsv1GQs %3D&reserved=0> and the
closure of projects policy decision policy < https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A %2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FClosing_projects_policy%23 Decision&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba% 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177 925&sdata=ChBxgo77hyK0Hp3WfOxEv22YQS9KiV8pqAELqkfFKFw%3D&reserved=0>.
There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on this list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, with the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
None of such steps have been taken.
The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
Thanks, M.
That's not correct. Being very active does not mean that the policy does not apply.
I will comment about this procedure later.
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com schrieb am Di., 10. Apr. 2018, 22:33:
Hoi, The Language Committee does not have your need to be bureaucratic. Given the amount of work done by Steven he has considerable room to maneuver. So no, I do not agree with your legalistic point of view. Thanks, GerardM
On 10 April 2018 at 22:28, MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring consensus to close the project in the PCP page.
Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk can formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal). Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough.
Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this committee.
Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it.
Regards, M.
2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open.
Fwiw, Oliver
On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote:
If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported and no one opposed. Thanks, M.
El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com escribió:
Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2 I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement of the current voting policy.
Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
Steven
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Today's Topics:
- Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio)
- Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson)
- Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final set) (Steven White)
Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200 From: MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates Message-ID: <CA+DRDAauKMKWhEYz6mMrz0_ow58FHELjOQKBb0U4XY= MnP5NmA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hi,
Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one
LangCom member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that has no violatons of fundamental rules
Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom voting rules as stated at: <
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikim... and the
closure of projects policy decision policy <
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikim...
.
There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on this list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, with the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
None of such steps have been taken.
The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
Thanks, M.