Re: [Langcom] Several updates

Ah of course, rules are for outsiders then. I have reopened the discussion as it was closed against policy. 2018-04-10 22:32 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt;om>: > Hoi, > The Language Committee does not have your need to be bureaucratic. Given > the amount of work done by Steven he has considerable room to maneuver. So > no, I do not agree with your legalistic point of view. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 10 April 2018 at 22:28, MarcoAurelio &lt;strigiwm(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to >> come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own >> personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring >> consensus to close the project in the PCP page. >> >> Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk >> can formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few >> questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal). >> Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was >> rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough. >> >> Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this >> committee. >> >> Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it. >> >> Regards, M. >> >> 2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen &lt;oliver_stegen(a)sil.org&gt;rg>: >> >>> Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for >>> closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open. >>> >>> Fwiw, >>> Oliver >>> >>> On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote: >>> >>> If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported >>> and no one opposed. Thanks, M. >>> >>> El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White < >>> Koala19890(a)hotmail.com&gt; escribió: >>> >>>> Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. >>>> I let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom >>>> (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2 >>>> I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another >>>> week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from >>>> Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement >>>> of the current voting policy. >>>> >>>> >>>> Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active >>>> role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to >>>> back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of >>>> policy have been met, I will continue to move things along. >>>> >>>> >>>> Steven >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Langcom &lt;langcom-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; on behalf of >>>> langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org &lt;langcom-request(a)lists.wikimed >>>> ia.org> >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 8:00 AM >>>> *To:* langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> *Subject:* Langcom Digest, Vol 55, Issue 9 >>>> >>>> Send Langcom mailing list submissions to >>>> langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A >>>> %2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flangcom&dat >>>> a=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9 >>>> f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata= >>>> 8eKULGE1sOMGx5UXaGByVCGx09a7CGO6DWv9MtK3kbw%3D&reserved=0 >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> langcom-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Langcom digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: Several updates (MarcoAurelio) >>>> 2. Re: Approval for Santali Wikipedia (Michael Everson) >>>> 3. Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and final set) >>>> (Steven White) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:28:39 +0200 >>>> From: MarcoAurelio &lt;strigiwm(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>> To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee >>>> &lt;langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; >>>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] Several updates >>>> Message-ID: >>>> &lt;CA+DRDAauKMKWhEYz6mMrz0_ow58FHELjOQKBb0U4XY=MnP5NmA(a)mail.gm >>>> ail.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> > >>>> > Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one >>>> LangCom >>>> member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project >>>> that >>>> has no violatons of fundamental rules >>>> > >>>> >>>> Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom >>>> voting >>>> rules as stated at: < >>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A >>>> %2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLanguage_committee%2FVotin >>>> g_policy&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba% >>>> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177 >>>> 925&sdata=jjM1Wdz7W1Jj5KjF%2BXSD%2BbmWbwtbyX5czOknGsv1GQs >>>> %3D&reserved=0> and the >>>> >>>> closure of projects policy decision policy < >>>> https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A >>>> %2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FClosing_projects_policy%23 >>>> Decision&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba% >>>> 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177 >>>> 925&sdata=ChBxgo77hyK0Hp3WfOxEv22YQS9KiV8pqAELqkfFKFw%3D&reserved=0>. >>>> >>>> >>>> There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on >>>> this >>>> list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, >>>> with >>>> the Board holding ultimate vetoing power. >>>> >>>> None of such steps have been taken. >>>> >>>> The decision should be reversed as being done against policy. >>>> >>>> Thanks, M. >>>>