Ah of course, rules are for outsiders then. I have reopened the discussion as it was closed against policy.2018-04-10 22:32 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:Hoi,The Language Committee does not have your need to be bureaucratic. Given the amount of work done by Steven he has considerable room to maneuver. So no, I do not agree with your legalistic point of view.Thanks,GerardMOn 10 April 2018 at 22:28, MarcoAurelio <strigiwm@gmail.com> wrote:Hi,Again, Steven (not a LangCom member, and policy says the proposal has to come from a LangCom member) proposed to reject the project based on his own personal --not supported by policy-- personal opinion and ignoring consensus to close the project in the PCP page.Let's assume in areas of not being utterly bureaucratic that the clerk can formulate such proposal to the committee. Gerard, after asking few questions, supported the closure (effectively objecting Steven's proposal). Nobody said anything else. As things stand, the proposal to reject was rejected as it didn't had any quorum here, silence not being enough.Therefore the PCP has to remain open or a new proposal put forward this committee.Policy is policy and we're suposed to follow it.Regards, M.2018-04-10 21:03 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen@sil.org>:Not so - Steven's proposal on April 2 was to *reject* the proposal for closure. I didn't oppose Steven's proposal as I was happy to keep it open.
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 10-Apr-18 18:40, MarcoAurelio wrote:
--If so there has been unanimous consensus to close, as Gerard supported and no one opposed. Thanks, M.
El El mar, 10 abr 2018 a las 15:48, Steven White <Koala19890@hotmail.com> escribió:
Marco, with due respect, I first posted a notice on this on March 19. I let it run until April 2. Up to that point, the only member of LangCom (other than me) who had commented substantively was Gerard. Then on April 2 I announced that if I didn't hear anything else from anyone in another week, I was going to close as rejected. And I heard nothing else, even from Gerard. So on April 9 I marked as rejected. That fulfilled all requirement of the current voting policy.
Frankly, I wish more members of the Committee would take a more active role in discussions. But I am trying very hard not to allow requests to back up, and to work through backlogs. So as long as all requirements of policy have been met, I will continue to move things along.
Steven
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Hi,
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> Rejecting request to close Malagasy Wikibooks—comment by only one LangCom
member is not sufficient to constitute consensus to close a project that
has no violatons of fundamental rules
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Sorry but I find this rather innapropriate and contrary to LangCom voting
rules as stated at: <
closure of projects policy decision policy <
There has to be a proposal comming from a LangCom member, announced on this
list and to the community, and thereafter a voting has to take place, with
the Board holding ultimate vetoing power.
None of such steps have been taken.
The decision should be reversed as being done against policy.
Thanks, M.
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It lacks an Ol Chiki font.
> On 9 Apr 2018, at 18:15, Satdeep Gill <satdeepgill@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
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> Santali is a language from the Indian subcontinent with around 6.3 billion speakers. The request for the Wikipedi in Santali has been there for long and it was a part of CIS-A2K's 2014-15 Work Plan as well.
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> The volunteer community has been working actively since September 2017 and all the translations have been completed as well.
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> In a campaign of supporting Indian language Wikipedia program coordinated by Wikimedia Foundation , Google, Centre for Internet and Society (CIS), Wikimedia India chapter (WMIN), two of their editors, Ramjit Tudu and Fagu Baskey have received laptops for their consistent effort for Santali Wikipedia (https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3 ).A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwi ki%2FSupporting_Indian_Languag e_Wikipedias_Program%2FSupport %2FLaptops&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5 7857d893a0048091e6808d59edabbb a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaa aaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6365895846461 77925&sdata=Td2eKtDsRDH7yAb5hR 01aN1nZUIKl5T7GTWHjonYsX8%3D& reserved=0
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> I even got some sample articles from a volunteer:
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> 1. Leonardo da Vinci
> 2. Thomas Edison
> 3. Abdul Kalam
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> I strongly suggest the approval of this Wikipedia as soon as possible.
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> Regards
> Satdeep Gill
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Subject: [Langcom] Open Wikipedia requests dating to 2011 (fifth and
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Southern Altai<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=ht > (alt), and related request from 2015 for Northern Altai<https://eur02.safelinks.tps%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org %2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_lan guages%2FWikipedia_Southern_Al tai&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d89 3a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84d f9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa% 7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&s data=Ct%2FGmel%2Bn69TWZkglDwId i%2BvP5MEKaLbNn0TIXa92Eo%3D&re served=0 protection.outlook.com/?url=ht > (atv): Altai is spoken by about 55,000 people. Southern Altai is the official language of the Altai Republic, and is the basis for the written language. Test has about 100 pages. There seems to be little doubt Southern Altai should be eligible. I do wonder about Northern Altai, though. It's the official language of Altai Krai, its test has about 30 pages, and it's apparently not fully mutually intelligible with Southern Altai. Amir, do you know anything about these? I will mark Southern Altai eligible immediately; I will wait a few days for comments, but then will probably mark Northern Altai eligible, too.tps%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org %2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_lan guages%2FWikipedia_Northern_Al tai&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d89 3a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C84d f9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa% 7C1%7C0%7C636589584646177925&s data=ROraKuAkIGlsmQRGB6DPQbhJS 6SAsAswIND2p0p5MYE%3D&reserved =0
Teri Sami<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=htt > (sjt): Similar argument to Kildin Sami from previous set, though the enwiki article now says that there are two speakers left. There are about 20 pages in the test. Marking as eligible.ps%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org% 2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_lang uages%2FWikipedia_Ter_Sami&dat a=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a00480 91e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9 f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0 %7C636589584646177925&sdata=rq TstR%2FMr%2BNgdlExHZNVynGHBA58 %2B9%2FtSXTKV23DgwQ%3D&reserve d=0
Ingrian <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3 > (izh): Also similar argument to Kildin Sami. (Someone must have done a spurt of languages from Russia back then.) About 100 test pages. Eligible.A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwi ki%2FRequests_for_new_language s%2FWikipedia_Ingrian&data=02% 7C01%7C%7C57857d893a0048091e68 08d59edabbba%7C84df9e7fe9f640a fb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C63 6589584646177925&sdata=Am7Y7ig gO3cxk%2BTGGRtoUOAjVEB44ETGx09 9FtVjspU%3D&reserved=0
Once these three requests have been taken care of, all requests dating back to 2011 or earlier will have been addressed except for Balochi<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > and Eastern Balochi<https://eur02.safelinkhttps%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.o rg%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_l anguages%2FWikipedia_Balochi&d ata=02%7C01%7C%7C57857d893a004 8091e6808d59edabbba%7C84df9e7f e9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7 C0%7C636589584646177925&sdata= 900c9gC3kSL7dNer2ZPRQ30j10MfOo v0Axkxng%2FLIx8%3D&reserved=0 s.protection.outlook.com/?url= >. The last I recall, Satdeep was looking into that situation, and I am leaving it in his hands.https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.o rg%2Fwiki%2FRequests_for_new_l anguages%2FWikipedia_Eastern_B alochi&data=02%7C01%7C%7C57857 d893a0048091e6808d59edabbba%7C 84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaa aa%7C1%7C0%7C63658958464617792 5&sdata=cORD%2F7bsGcteIRR98YQf RiGSC4GvSzo%2F%2Bur%2Bs5Zdgxw% 3D&reserved=0
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