There is a request for Sindi in Devanagari [meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi]. As far as anyone can tell, there is no linguistic difference between this and Arabic-script Sindhi, which already has a Wikipedia at sd.wikipedia.org https://sd.wikipedia.org/.
A user has pointed out [meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi&diff=16501764&oldid=16478916 https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi&diff=16501764&oldid=16478916] that online conversion between the two scripts should be possible (neither script uses capital letters), so is there any reason we shouldn't just reject this proposal?
Regards, Antony
Hi Antony,
The reason we should not reject this proposal is the same reason we have two Wikipedias for Punjabi.
There is no major linguistic difference but complete linguistic coversion is not possible. Also, we will have to consider one script superior to other.
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee Member, Language Committee
On 03-Apr-2017, at 10:30 PM, Antony Green toniogreen@web.de wrote:
There is a request for Sindi in Devanagari [meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi]. As far as anyone can tell, there is no linguistic difference between this and Arabic-script Sindhi, which already has a Wikipedia at sd.wikipedia.org. A user has pointed out [meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi&diff=16501764&oldid=16478916] that online conversion between the two scripts should be possible (neither script uses capital letters), so is there any reason we shouldn't just reject this proposal?
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The two Wikipedias for Punjabi correspond to the two language codes "pan" for Eastern Punjabi and "pnb" for Western Punjabi. If Devanagari Sindhi can be found to correspond to one of the Sindhi codes, which according to Ethnologue are the following:
* Jadgali [jdg] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/jdg/20 (A language of Pakistan https://www.ethnologue.com/country/PK) * Kacchi [kfr] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/kfr/20 (A language of India https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IN) * Lasi [lss] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/lss/20 (A language of Pakistan https://www.ethnologue.com/country/PK) * Luwati [luv] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/luv/20 (A language of Oman https://www.ethnologue.com/country/OM) * Sindhi [snd] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/snd/20 (A language of Pakistan https://www.ethnologue.com/country/PK) * Sindhi Bhil [sbn] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/sbn/20 (A language of Pakistan https://www.ethnologue.com/country/PK)
then it can be eligible. The obvious candidate is Kacchi/Kutchi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kutchi_language, since it's spoken predominantly in India. There is already a test Wikipedia for "kfr" at Incubator, but it uses Gujarati script, not Devanagari (incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wp/kfr/ https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Wp/kfr/). I don't know how distinct Kutchi is from the language that the proposer has in mind.
Antony
Am 2017-04-03 um 22:57 schrieb Satdeep Gill:
Hi Antony,
The reason we should not reject this proposal is the same reason we have two Wikipedias for Punjabi.
There is no major linguistic difference but complete linguistic coversion is not possible. Also, we will have to consider one script superior to other.
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee Member, Language Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
On 03-Apr-2017, at 10:30 PM, Antony Green <toniogreen@web.de mailto:toniogreen@web.de> wrote:
There is a request for Sindi in Devanagari [meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi]. As far as anyone can tell, there is no linguistic difference between this and Arabic-script Sindhi, which already has a Wikipedia at sd.wikipedia.org https://sd.wikipedia.org/.
A user has pointed out [meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi&diff=16501764&oldid=16478916 https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi&diff=16501764&oldid=16478916] that online conversion between the two scripts should be possible (neither script uses capital letters), so is there any reason we shouldn't just reject this proposal?
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Hoi, There is no such thing as a superior script when both are actually used. When you are to choose one, for practical reasons it would not be the Arabic script as it does not include vowels. It follows that Arabic can not be converted to the majority of other scripts. When it is indeed Devanagari, the question is if it needs extension. Marathi for instance does use other characters than Hindi. Also the way characters are written is not necessarily uniform.
So I am afraid it is more complicated. Do we have demographics for the number of people who use Devanagari and Arabic script for Sindhi and what is the official status for either script? Thanks, GerardM
On 3 April 2017 at 22:57, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Antony,
The reason we should not reject this proposal is the same reason we have two Wikipedias for Punjabi.
There is no major linguistic difference but complete linguistic coversion is not possible. Also, we will have to consider one script superior to other.
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee Member, Language Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
On 03-Apr-2017, at 10:30 PM, Antony Green toniogreen@web.de wrote:
There is a request for Sindi in Devanagari [meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi]. As far as anyone can tell, there is no linguistic difference between this and Arabic-script Sindhi, which already has a Wikipedia at sd.wikipedia.org. A user has pointed out [meta.wikimedia.org/w/index. php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi& diff=16501764&oldid=16478916] that online conversion between the two scripts should be possible (neither script uses capital letters), so is there any reason we shouldn't just reject this proposal?
Regards, Antony
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"Should be” isn’t “is”. Proof before rejection.
On 3 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Antony Green toniogreen@web.de wrote:
A user has pointed out [meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Sindhi&diff=16501764&oldid=16478916] that online conversion between the two scripts should be possible (neither script uses capital letters), so is there any reason we shouldn't just reject this proposal?