Hi,
I would like you guys to have a look at this meta request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Easter...
All the messages have been translated and we have been actively working in the past few months.
Hi Satdeep and Langcom,
I'm actually a bit reluctant at this point, but this can be fixed quite easily. Let me explain.
As a lot of people probably know, I have a lot of respect remarkably active Punjabi Wikipedia community. I do, however, see two problems with the activity of the test Wikisource, as analyzed at https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=1&title=%E0%A8%... .
One is that it's a bit low in general. October 2016 is the first month with four active users, and earlier there were even less.
The other is that the user who made the most edits appears to have only used OCR without actually correcting the OCRed text. Look at these pages: https://wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Julius_Ceasuer_Punjabi_Translation_by_HS_Gi... https://wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Julius_Ceasuer_Punjabi_Translation_by_HS_Gi...
The original scanned page looks like a typical theater play with character names before a colon ("ਮੈਸਾਲਾ-:", "ਮੈਸਾਲਾ-:") and the main text in another column after the colon. OCR appears to have put all the names in the beginning of the page and all of the main text after them. Clicking the OCR button is too easy—I'd expect the editor to move the parts of the page around and format them correctly.
Community activity and sustainability is the biggest issue in new and small Wikimedia projects, and I'd love to see more meaningful contributions and understanding of the Wikisource editing model before fully approving.
As I noted above, both problems are easily fixable. I'm sure that the Punjabi community can address them in just a couple of months. I'll be happy to look at the activity again then.
Thanks for understanding! :)
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2016-10-31 4:56 GMT+02:00 Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com:
Hi,
I would like you guys to have a look at this meta request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_ languages/Wikisource_Eastern_Punjabi
All the messages have been translated and we have been actively working in the past few months.
-- Regards Satdeep Gill +91-9465155746
Hi Amir and Language Committee,
I agree with Amir and these issues will be resolved soon and I will come back here in a couple of months with more activity.
As far as the formatting is concerned, I have tried fixing that in the past but I was able to find a solution to that today as I had to import a template from English Wikisource. Now you can check here that we are able to format it properly.
https://wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Julius_Ceasuer_Punjabi_Translation_by_HS_Gi...
We will proofread rest of the pages soon enough. Thanks a lot for your support.
Regards Satdeeep
On 31 October 2016 at 14:39, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hi Satdeep and Langcom,
I'm actually a bit reluctant at this point, but this can be fixed quite easily. Let me explain.
As a lot of people probably know, I have a lot of respect remarkably active Punjabi Wikipedia community. I do, however, see two problems with the activity of the test Wikisource, as analyzed at https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php? cat=1&title=ਪੰਜਾਬੀ&wiki=sourceswiki .
One is that it's a bit low in general. October 2016 is the first month with four active users, and earlier there were even less.
The other is that the user who made the most edits appears to have only used OCR without actually correcting the OCRed text. Look at these pages: https://wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Julius_Ceasuer_Punjabi_ Translation_by_HS_Gill.pdf/156 https://wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Julius_Ceasuer_Punjabi_ Translation_by_HS_Gill.pdf/143
The original scanned page looks like a typical theater play with character names before a colon ("ਮੈਸਾਲਾ-:", "ਮੈਸਾਲਾ-:") and the main text in another column after the colon. OCR appears to have put all the names in the beginning of the page and all of the main text after them. Clicking the OCR button is too easy—I'd expect the editor to move the parts of the page around and format them correctly.
Community activity and sustainability is the biggest issue in new and small Wikimedia projects, and I'd love to see more meaningful contributions and understanding of the Wikisource editing model before fully approving.
As I noted above, both problems are easily fixable. I'm sure that the Punjabi community can address them in just a couple of months. I'll be happy to look at the activity again then.
Thanks for understanding! :)
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2016-10-31 4:56 GMT+02:00 Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com:
Hi,
I would like you guys to have a look at this meta request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/ Wikisource_Eastern_Punjabi
All the messages have been translated and we have been actively working in the past few months.
-- Regards Satdeep Gill +91-9465155746
Hoi, When this project does as well as the other Indian Wikisources, we are wrong to prevent this from happening. We could and we should give Wikisource more projects. Thanks, GeradM
On 31 October 2016 at 10:09, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hi Satdeep and Langcom,
I'm actually a bit reluctant at this point, but this can be fixed quite easily. Let me explain.
As a lot of people probably know, I have a lot of respect remarkably active Punjabi Wikipedia community. I do, however, see two problems with the activity of the test Wikisource, as analyzed at https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php? cat=1&title=ਪੰਜਾਬੀ&wiki=sourceswiki .
One is that it's a bit low in general. October 2016 is the first month with four active users, and earlier there were even less.
The other is that the user who made the most edits appears to have only used OCR without actually correcting the OCRed text. Look at these pages: https://wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Julius_Ceasuer_Punjabi_ Translation_by_HS_Gill.pdf/156 https://wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Julius_Ceasuer_Punjabi_ Translation_by_HS_Gill.pdf/143
The original scanned page looks like a typical theater play with character names before a colon ("ਮੈਸਾਲਾ-:", "ਮੈਸਾਲਾ-:") and the main text in another column after the colon. OCR appears to have put all the names in the beginning of the page and all of the main text after them. Clicking the OCR button is too easy—I'd expect the editor to move the parts of the page around and format them correctly.
Community activity and sustainability is the biggest issue in new and small Wikimedia projects, and I'd love to see more meaningful contributions and understanding of the Wikisource editing model before fully approving.
As I noted above, both problems are easily fixable. I'm sure that the Punjabi community can address them in just a couple of months. I'll be happy to look at the activity again then.
Thanks for understanding! :)
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2016-10-31 4:56 GMT+02:00 Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com:
Hi,
I would like you guys to have a look at this meta request:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/ Wikisource_Eastern_Punjabi
All the messages have been translated and we have been actively working in the past few months.
-- Regards Satdeep Gill +91-9465155746
Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hi,
Just my 2 cents.
2016-10-31 10:09 GMT+01:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il:
Hi Satdeep and Langcom,
I'm actually a bit reluctant at this point, but this can be fixed quite easily. Let me explain.
As a lot of people probably know, I have a lot of respect remarkably active Punjabi Wikipedia community. I do, however, see two problems with the activity of the test Wikisource, as analyzed at https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php? cat=1&title=ਪੰਜਾਬੀ&wiki=sourceswiki .
One is that it's a bit low in general. October 2016 is the first month with four active users, and earlier there were even less.
That's a good point but Wikisources have naturally a low number of users and it's not really a bad thing.
The other is that the user who made the most edits appears to have only
used OCR without actually correcting the OCRed text. Look at these pages: https://wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Julius_Ceasuer_Punjabi_ Translation_by_HS_Gill.pdf/156 https://wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Julius_Ceasuer_Punjabi_ Translation_by_HS_Gill.pdf/143
The original scanned page looks like a typical theater play with character names before a colon ("ਮੈਸਾਲਾ-:", "ਮੈਸਾਲਾ-:") and the main text in another column after the colon. OCR appears to have put all the names in the beginning of the page and all of the main text after them. Clicking the OCR button is too easy—I'd expect the editor to move the parts of the page around and format them correctly.
Community activity and sustainability is the biggest issue in new and small Wikimedia projects, and I'd love to see more meaningful contributions and understanding of the Wikisource editing model before fully approving.
That is a less good point. OCR is a good and meaningful contribution. Most contributions on *all* wikisource is OCR (for the Wikisource who use the proofread system obviously). OCR is not enough in itself but it's a needed, mandatory, primordial, etc. first step. Improvements is obvioulsy to be expected but please don't dismiss this first step.
As I noted above, both problems are easily fixable. I'm sure that the Punjabi community can address them in just a couple of months. I'll be happy to look at the activity again then.
Thanks for understanding! :)
Thank you too. I hear and understand your concerns, my point is : the wikisources dynamics is different from the wikipedias dynamics and I think you misjudge a little bit how the wikisources work.
to: Satdeep, don't hesitate to contact me in private if you need help ;)
Cdlt, ~nicolas