I am all for lowering criteria to 200 messages for all. May we conclude
that we will change the policy that way?
(BTW, I it seems that I don't have write permissions on the list from my @
gmail.com account.)
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:32 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
> This is not formalistic nonsense, but fair rules which are the same for
> everyone.
> Am 11.03.2015 18:29 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>:
>
> Hoi.
>> I am increasingly frustrated by this formalistic nonsense. Yes you can
>> object but what do you achieve ? Nothing at all, you are impeding where an
>> organisation indicates that it will do what is needed when the project is
>> live.
>>
>> Frustration means not as much involvement. That is what it does to me.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 11 March 2015 at 16:18, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On the very same page I see 594 messages in total in that group, 286
>>> thereof still to translate.
>>> Am 11.03.2015 16:08 schrieb "Santhosh Thottingal" <
>>> santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, for the first project in a language, as it is the case here, the
>>>>> 500 most-used messages should be translated.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> translatewiki.net stats page
>>>> <https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:LanguageStats&language=gom-…> says
>>>> 592 most-used messages translated.
>>>>
>>>> Santhosh
>>>>
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This is not formalistic nonsense, but fair rules which are the same for
everyone.
Am 11.03.2015 18:29 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>:
> Hoi.
> I am increasingly frustrated by this formalistic nonsense. Yes you can
> object but what do you achieve ? Nothing at all, you are impeding where an
> organisation indicates that it will do what is needed when the project is
> live.
>
> Frustration means not as much involvement. That is what it does to me.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 11 March 2015 at 16:18, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On the very same page I see 594 messages in total in that group, 286
>> thereof still to translate.
>> Am 11.03.2015 16:08 schrieb "Santhosh Thottingal" <
>> santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, for the first project in a language, as it is the case here, the
>>>> 500 most-used messages should be translated.
>>>>
>>>
>>> translatewiki.net stats page
>>> <https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:LanguageStats&language=gom-…> says
>>> 592 most-used messages translated.
>>>
>>> Santhosh
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Wait a second...
so we want to approve a gom-deva.wikipedia.org with the Devanagari articles
from Incubator?
But, the most-used messages are not yet translated <
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=core-0-most…>
(51%) currently.
2015-03-11 15:18 GMT+01:00 Santhosh Thottingal <
santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com>:
> Ok, Since we do not have any disagreements, as per our usual process, I
> will inform board about the decision that we approve Konkani wikipedia with
> Devanagari script
>
> Thanks
> Santhosh Thottingal
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> I am a long time proponent for this. So yes PLEASE
>> Thanks,
>> Gerard
>>
>> On 7 March 2015 at 07:49, Oliver Stegen <info(a)oliverstegen.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I have no inhibitions or restraints against making the
>>> Konkani-Devanagri wikipedia live.
>>>
>>> As far as I understand, current policy is to discourage communities from
>>> having separate wikipedias for different scripts of the same language.
>>> However, I'd be happy to see Konkani-Latin and Konkani-Kannada on the
>>> incubator. A decision can then ensue whether these projects then become
>>> subpages of the Konkani-Devanagri wikipedia (for example like Suebian,
>>> Allemannic etc on the Southwestern Germanic dialect wikipedia), or whether
>>> WMF makes an exception in allowing separate wiki spaces for those three
>>> scripts. Such a later decision, imho, does not prevent a live wikipedia for
>>> the Devanagri script at this point in time.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07-Mar-15 8:05 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
>>>
>>> Shall we make a decision on this? Community is waiting and they pinged
>>> me. I am all for approving this.
>>> Is there any more concerns we need to address?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Santhosh
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Santhosh Thottingal <
>>> santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vishnu clarified the request details in the below mail I quoted.
>>>>
>>>> (it came as moderation request to me, but I don't see it in approval
>>>> queue. weird )
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Vishnu <vishnu(a)cis-india.org>
>>>> To: langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 01:32:27 +0530
>>>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] [Langcom-l] Konkani
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Santhosh, MF-Warburg and other LangCom members,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the current request from the Konkani Wikipedia community is to
>>>> make the Konkani Wikipedia live in the *Devanagari script*. It has been
>>>> mentioned in the request page on Meta and I have now highlighted it.[0]
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the community also wants the LangCom to consider incubating
>>>> separate Konkani Wikipedia projects in Romi (i.e. Latin script) and Kannada
>>>> scripts - two other popular variants of Konkani. This will ensure that the
>>>> rich diversity of Konkani language and the knowledge in all these three
>>>> major script variants will flourish along with the associated communities.
>>>>
>>>> If I may be allowed, I would like to bring to the notice of the LangCom
>>>> members that CIS-A2K[1] has been putting focussed efforts on Konkani
>>>> Wikipedia and has managed to nurture and grow a volunteer community that is
>>>> now sustainable.
>>>>
>>>> The multiple scripts (Konkani is written in 5 scripts) has been a great
>>>> challenge to understand and work with, especially when each script variant
>>>> is tied to specific religious and regional community and has significant
>>>> variations. We have left no stone unturned in objectively finding a
>>>> practical solution to this multiple script issue, including a script
>>>> converter. In this process we have consulted Konkani Wikipedians, Konkani
>>>> linguists, professors from Konkani Department at Goa University, Konkani
>>>> cultural experts, bureaucrats in the government, media personnel and
>>>> arrived at the conclusion of having separate Wiki projects for each of the
>>>> three script variants (i.e. Devanagari, Romi (Latin) and Kannada).
>>>>
>>>> We have also requested Fr. Pratap Naik [2] a notable linguist, who has
>>>> worked on all the script variants of Konkani language for many years to
>>>> give his expert opinion in writing, which is available here [3]. This note
>>>> has been widely circulated and everyone, including the currently active
>>>> Konkani Wikipedians (majority of which edits in Devanagari variant) believe
>>>> that having three Konkani Wikipedias for the three script variants is the
>>>> way to go.
>>>>
>>>> *May I reiterate that the current request is to only make the Konkani
>>>> Wikipedia, in Devanagari, live.*
>>>>
>>>> It's been a huge personal learning for me about this rich language and
>>>> culture and I have some intimate context [4] on the multiple scripts issue
>>>> and would be happy to answer questions if the committee has any. I am
>>>> reasonably positive that we will see three active Konkani Wikipedias soon.
>>>> Having the Devanagari one live will only create a healthy competition.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Vishnu
>>>> CIS-A2K, Programme Director
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [0]
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Konkan…
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Work_plan_July_20…
>>>>
>>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratap_Naik
>>>>
>>>> [3]
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Konkani_Wiki…
>>>>
>>>> [4] http://www.sfxkutamuae.com/news.asp?id=8698 (I have since then
>>>> been invited to be part of the Konkani Language Planning-Steering Committee
>>>> by the Global Konkani Conclave)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Santhosh
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Dear MF-Warburg and all enthusiast Friends,
We are glad to share you about the growth in contribution in Awadhi
Wikipedia Incubation recent days.
I acknowledge all contributors in the incubator page especially Mr. Anurag
Pandey a native Awadhi speaker wikipedian (Also editor in Nepali,Hindi and
Maithli Wikipedia) for his contributions and outstanding outreach
activities for contributors growth.
The wiki has exceeded 1K articles in various topics now. Please follow the
link below.
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/awa/Main_Page
The Awadhi Wikipedia activity here:
Awadhi incubator stats
<https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/awa&wik…>
Awadhi Wikipedia community has been organized by various means of social
media. Please find the Maithili Wikipedia Facebook page here:
https://www.facebook.com/AwadhiWiki
We have been communicating various organizations related to Awadhi language
for collaboration. They have shown interest to support the Wiki to make it
a rich Wikipedia.
Now, we have got a mentionable number of contributors, number of articles
and considerably good interface translation. Therefore we request to
publish Awadhi Wikipedia out from the incubation. We assure to give
qualitative and quantitative contribution in this wiki.
With best regards
Biplab Anand
Wikipedians of Nepal
There is currently a discussion.
2015-01-02 1:46 GMT+01:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org>:
> I'm confused by the purpose of this communication. Has the committee made
> a decision?
>
> A.
> On Jan 1, 2015 4:47 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> I am on record that I want this to happen. I am on record that it helps
>> when they start adding information in Wikidata so that the search engine
>> can find items that are in Wikidata preferably with a label in Konkani.
>>
>> I do know that institutions are happy to support Konkani in a practical
>> manner. My problem is not that I do not endorse it. My problem is that the
>> language committee has to agree to this. One vote against and it is the no
>> show we face.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 16 December 2014 at 07:46, Asaf Bartov <abartov(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear LangCom,
>>>
>>> I understand there is an open request to move the Konkani Wikipedia
>>> ('gom') out of the purgatory of the Incubator. In my WMF role, I have some
>>> context on the efforts that have sparked this young community, and would be
>>> happy to answer questions if the committee has any. To be clear, I fully
>>> endorse the request.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you think you need further information to make a
>>> decision.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Asaf
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Dear LangCom,
Forwarding an e-mail that was sent to the list on December 12, 2014.
Looks like I had sent it from a mail address through which I did not
have the subscription to the list, and probably it may been held up.
Dear Members of the Language Committee,
I am writing this on behalf of the budding Konkani Wikipedia community
and with regard to the request made for making the Konkani Wikipedia
Live [1]. Some of the active Konkani Wikimedians are also copied on this
e-mail.
The community is eager to know what further steps they should take so
that this project could live. Please also note that the community
members did a translation sprint of essential Media Wiki message on
translatewiki.net during December 2013 and January 2014. However, this
is not reflected correctly on translatewiki and on Meta. The
translations are visible against the specific user contributions, e.g.
see this [2].
Would appreciate specific guidance from the Language Committee to help
make this project live as per the aspirations of the Konkani Wikimedians.
Thanks,
Vishnu
CIS-A2K
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Konkan…
[2]
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Contributions/Darshan_kando…
Forwarding to the new list.
---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ----------
Von: "MF-Warburg" <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>
Datum: 26.11.2014 12:44
Betreff: Re: [Langcom-l] name of Tunisian
An: "Wikimedia Foundation Language committee" <langcom-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>
Cc:
If we want the pages to be deleted, the best way is to start a request for
deleting the test-project on [[incubator:I:RFD]].
Am 26.11.2014 11:52 schrieb "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il
>:
> OK. I'll start a separate thread about it, because it may have wide
> implications and it deserves attention.
>
> For now I committed a patch to at least update the Arabic script language
> name to something sensible, as was suggested in this thread:
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/175972/
>
>
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> “We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>
> 2014-11-26 6:36 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <info(a)oliverstegen.net>:
>
>> It's a really difficult call, and I'd appreciate if other LangCom
>> members could pitch in. While NPOV normally applies to the content of
>> individual articles, I consider it applicable to the entire stance of this
>> group, and I would feel really uncomfortable having them affiliated with
>> Wikimedia. But that is just my opinion ...
>>
>> --
>> Oliver Stegen, PhD
>> Linguistics Consultant
>> *http://sil.academia.edu/OliverStegen
>> <http://sil.academia.edu/OliverStegen>*
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25-Nov-14 10:27 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
>>
>> OK, I don't mind. However, this pretty much invalidates the content of
>> the current incubator. I am not sure what to do about that. Suggest them to
>> export it to some non-Wikimedia wiki?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>> “We're living in pieces,
>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>>
>> 2014-11-25 21:12 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <info(a)oliverstegen.net>:
>>
>>> Sorry to disagree but based on what my contact scholar for Tunisian
>>> Arabic writes, I cannot approve this with a good conscience (see relevant
>>> section of his message copied below).
>>> Fwiw,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>> "[...] it looks, despite the claims made on the website ("this project
>>> is not against any language"), to be an almost anti-Arabic project, out of
>>> tune with the wider population in choice of script, and even then showing
>>> both inconsistencies in writing, and writing allophones according to how
>>> the sound would be written in French. Even the style of Latin script is not
>>> how Tunisians write when doing so in Latin script - there seems to be a nod
>>> to Maltese, and I, even with an awareness of how Maltese works, had
>>> difficulty in reading it in places. Also they seem to prefer technical
>>> terms from French than (even commonly used) ones from Standard Arabic.
>>> Chances of any of this being adopted... low. But thanks for the link!"
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24-Nov-14 11:24 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
>>>
>>> Reviving this, as I got a bit of new information.
>>>
>>> See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70207 .
>>>
>>> (In case you didn't know, Wikimedia moved from Bugzilla to a new task
>>> tracking tool called Phabricator, or Phab for short.)
>>>
>>> See the last comment there. The guy introduces himself as "a group of
>>> activists with some knowledge of Linguistics", and the website about their
>>> work about the writing system is
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/stundardtunsi/
>>>
>>> I am kinda inclined to approve that their work would be in the Latin
>>> script. Despite using the free Google Sites platform, they appear to be
>>> serious, and I cannot see anybody else picking this up. On the other hand,
>>> I really don't want to make the final call. It probably won't be useful, at
>>> least initially, to schoolchildren there.
>>>
>>> So there - you have the facts. Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>>> “We're living in pieces,
>>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>>>
>>> 2014-08-07 10:55 GMT+03:00 Oliver Stegen <info(a)oliverstegen.net>:
>>>
>>>> Sorry for the delay in replying.
>>>>
>>>> My colleague agrees that Tounsi / تونسي is the correct autonym of the
>>>> Tunisian Arabic language (ISO: aeb). He considers the current name زَوُن to
>>>> be "a made-up bit of fun". However, he does not believe that Latin script
>>>> is more widespread or common but considers Arabic script to be the default
>>>> of Tunisian Arabic (aeb):
>>>>
>>>> "I think Arabic would be better, but it depends on the community (in
>>>> country most writing now is in Arabic script, as it's easier than it was -
>>>> a few years ago Latin script dominated in chatting, but only Arabic script
>>>> in public uses in country)"
>>>>
>>>> Just quoting - hope it helps.
>>>> Oliver
>>>>
>>>> On 29-Jul-14 7:26 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, just saw this now. (I was offline for two weeks until Sunday.)
>>>> I've asked a colleague of mine who is a linguist scholar of Tunisian
>>>> Arabic - will keep you posted once I received his reply.
>>>> Oliver
>>>>
>>>> On 19-Jul-14 9:50 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't quite sure about what to do with this bug:
>>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68207
>>>>
>>>> The request is to correct the autonym of the Tunisian Arabic language
>>>> (ISO: aeb) in our software, and to set French as its fallback.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have much to add to what the bug report already says. I am
>>>> not really opposed to the request, because the current name is probably
>>>> wrong (I have not idea where did it come from), but I also don't really
>>>> know whether the requested change is right. It kinda puts me in the
>>>> position of giving a "seal of approval" to something that may some day
>>>> become a standard and it's definitely not a decision that I want to make
>>>> completely on my own.
>>>>
>>>> Any other opinions?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
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>>>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
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Hi Jan-Bart,
I would like to bring the following proposals to the attention of the
Board, about which we (LangCom) recommend to accept the proposals and close
the wikis.
As usual, we will proceed in one week, if we don't hear anything to the
contrary from the Board.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_O…
Rationale:
Wikibooks is for textbooks and manuals, but nobody is writing them in this
extinct language nor is there much reason why someone would want to /read/
them.
Wikisource is the appropriate project for texts in this language. In fact,
some pages on the wiki do belong to Wikisource, and should be moved there.
This is also consistent with Langcom's previous decisions that ancient
languages should above all have Wikisource, but the other projects are not
all suitable for them. English Wikisource also hosts Old English texts, so
there is not even a need for a separate ang-wikisource.
Content should be moved to Incubator, or, where appropriate, to Wikisoure.
----
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_I…
The wiki is a case of "absence of content since its creation" (per the
Closure policy). Of the few page, some should even be moved to Wiktionary
(as some people noted in the discussion).
Content should be moved content Incubator, or, where appropriate, to
Wiktionary.
Best regards,
MF-Warburg