Langcom April 2017

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Become a LangCom member
by ferdinando traversa 13 Apr '17

13 Apr '17

Hi, I want to become a LangCom member because there isn't an Italian native speaker I'm an Italian Native Speaker (IT-N) and I speak a A2 (en-2) level of English and an fr-1 French Level. Regards, Ferdinando Traversa (Ferdi2005)

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New member
by Abelmbula 12 Apr '17

12 Apr '17

Hi! I am intersting in becoming one member of language commettee Sincerly, Abel Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.

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Re: [Langcom] Khowar Alphabets
by Michael Everson 12 Apr '17

12 Apr '17

Mr Chitrali. Please do not write to me privately. If you wish to address me, write to LangCom. I use the Mac OS and am an expert in Unicode and don't need to be told how to view Arabic characters on my computer. At the link you give below, there is displayed the alphabet of Khowar. It gives 52 characters. They are these: ا آ ب پ ت ٹ ث ج چ ح خ ݯ ݮ څ ځ د ڈ ذ ر ڑ ز ژ ݱ س ش ݰ ص ض ط ظ ع غ ف ق ک گ ل ڵ م ن ں و ٶ ﯘ ہ ھ ۃ ء ی ﺉ ے ۓ This is not the same alphabet which is given at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khowar_alphabet As to how many people you have working on your Incubator project, I have given my recommendations to LangCom about it. Michael Everson > On 12 Apr 2017, at 08:27, Rehmat Aziz Chitrali <rachitrali(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Mr.Michael Everson > > My dear Michael > > Thank you very much for your reply, If you are using mobile or windows 7 then the special characters of khowar language will be not be visible, if you are using Windows 8.7 then you can see the khowar special characters, please recheck khowar alphabets in Windows 8.1 operating system here Template:Wp/khw/کھوار حرور تہجی - Wikimedia Incubator > > Template:Wp/khw/کھوار حرور تہجی - Wikimedia Incubator > > I have translated more than 1000 system messages for Translate wiki for the creation of Khowar wikipedia. Please seem my translations here User contributions for Rachitrali - translatewiki.net and also contributed more than 7000 khowar articles for Khowar wikipedia incubator project. please see my contributions here User contributions for Rachitrali - Wikimedia Incubator The are many editors working in this project. > > User contributions for Rachitrali - translatewiki.net > > > User contributions for Rachitrali - Wikimedia Incubator > > > Please recommend to LangCom for creation of Wikipedia as there is sufficient users working on this project. Due to technicalities one approved project cannot be stalled or declined, so i request your goodself to help us for creation of Khowar Wikipedia in the language spoken in Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and Xinjing China. > > If you or LangCom need more information of proofs that shall be provided on request. > > With Profound Regards > > Rehmat Aziz Chitrali, Sanad-e-Imtiaz(Govt of Pakistan) > Gold Medalist(Govt of Pakistan), Children Literature Awardee(Govt of Pakistan), Inventor of 40 languages Text Editor, Inventor of Khowar Keyboard > > > > On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 3:02 AM, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com> wrote: > > > On 11 Apr 2017, at 04:55, Rehmat Aziz Chitrali <rachitrali(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > My dear brother > > Mr.Michael Everson > > > > Thank you very much for your email. With refernce to your observations that linguistically, you want to know why Rehmat Aziz Chitrali is not using the Unicode letters added specifically for Khowar in khowar wikipedia. > > > > In this regard it is pointed out that we are using Khowar Unicode letters in khowar wikipedia, the complete alphabets alongwith special characters are here Wp/khw/کھوار آلیبے - Wikimedia Incubator for your kind information. > > I do not see the four letters in question on that page. > > > Wp/khw/کھوار آلیبے - Wikimedia Incubator > > > > I have translated more than 1000 system messages for Translate wiki for the creation of Khowar wikipedia and also contributed more than 7000 khowar articles for Khowar wikipedia incubator project. The are many editors working in this project. > > There does not seem to be evidence in support of this statement. > > I made my recommendations to LangCom about verifying the language content and the editor interest of the Khowar Incubator project. > > > Michael Everson > > > > With Profound Regards > > > > Rehmat Aziz Chitrali > > Test Admin @KhowarWikipedia Incubator project > >

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Re: [Langcom] Khowar Alphabets
by Michael Everson 11 Apr '17

11 Apr '17

On 11 Apr 2017, at 04:55, Rehmat Aziz Chitrali <rachitrali(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > My dear brother > Mr.Michael Everson > > Thank you very much for your email. With refernce to your observations that linguistically, you want to know why Rehmat Aziz Chitrali is not using the Unicode letters added specifically for Khowar in khowar wikipedia. > > In this regard it is pointed out that we are using Khowar Unicode letters in khowar wikipedia, the complete alphabets alongwith special characters are here Wp/khw/کھوار آلیبے - Wikimedia Incubator for your kind information. I do not see the four letters in question on that page. > Wp/khw/کھوار آلیبے - Wikimedia Incubator > > I have translated more than 1000 system messages for Translate wiki for the creation of Khowar wikipedia and also contributed more than 7000 khowar articles for Khowar wikipedia incubator project. The are many editors working in this project. There does not seem to be evidence in support of this statement. I made my recommendations to LangCom about verifying the language content and the editor interest of the Khowar Incubator project. Michael Everson > With Profound Regards > > Rehmat Aziz Chitrali > Test Admin @KhowarWikipedia Incubator project

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Progress of [[Requests for new languages/Wikiversity Hindi]]
by Jay prakash 08 Apr '17

08 Apr '17

Dear Language Committee Members. See Progress of [[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_Hindi]] in Last Month. It progress well. About 250 Pages and 1300 Edits done by Community. Please Gives your thoughts About It. Thanks and Regards to All Committee Members.

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Proposal to call André Müller as the new LangCom member
by Milos Rancic 07 Apr '17

07 Apr '17

As André hasn't applied for the membership, I worded the proposal a little bit differently. The main point behind my proposal is that it's very hard to find that kind of areal linguist. It would be good if Michael would tell us a bit more about him.

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Re: [Langcom] [Wikidata] Languages in Wikidata4Wiktionary
by Gerard Meijssen 07 Apr '17

07 Apr '17

Hoi, There are many valid possibilities to describe something that is not a language and language used may represent a language that does not have a language code. There is a standard for indicating languages; it allows for something like "US-American Spanish" by combining a country and a language code. This is well known. The problem with everything that has not been recognised / standardised / defined as a language is that it is highly political. The practical side is that we can use an x in a code to indicate a special use. However, then calling it a language is problematic because a language ought to mean that its understanding is mutually exclusive. Calling it a language code and use "expressed in" would imho work for any form of language. When Wiktionaries content is imported in Wikidata, we first have to have these languages codes agreed on. To first import the bulk is no problem. It puts pressure on the resolution of such issues and that is not half bad. Thanks, GerardM On 7 April 2017 at 01:34, Denny Vrandečić <vrandecic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017, 16:16 Stas Malyshev <smalyshev(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> > - use Q-Items instead of UserLanguageCodes for Multilingual texts (which >> > would be quite a migration) >> >> I foresee that might be a bit of a problem for external tools consuming >> this data - how they would figure out what language it is if it's >> doesn't have a code? We could of course generate fake codes like >> mis-x-q12345, maybe that would work. >> > > Q-items for languages already have a property to state their language > code. It's just an extra hop away. > > > >> > I don't think restricting Wiktionary4Wikidata support to the list of >> > languages with a UserLanguageCode is a viable solution, which would >> > happen if we implement the data model as currently suggested, if I >> > understand it correctly. >> >> Aren't we limiting it right now this way in Wikidata? >> > > For labels and descriptions of items yes, and I think that was sensible. > It might be time to revisit that decision though. > > But for supporting Wiktionary that would be extremely limiting. French > Wiktionary supports words in more than a thousand languages currently. > Limiting the supported languages of the lemmas is, IMHO, unacceptable. > > >> -- >> Stas Malyshev >> smalyshev(a)wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata mailing list >> Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > >

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Wien hackathon
by Danny B. 06 Apr '17

06 Apr '17

Hi, any LangCom member is coming to Wien Hackathon? I'd like to have some tools-oriented session there. Kind regards Danny B.

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announcements about new features related to language
by Amir E. Aharoni 06 Apr '17

06 Apr '17

Hi, In the Langcom meeting in Berlin one issue was mentioned several times: The committee members are interested in doing more than just approving new domains. In general, this is excellent! One particular thing that Michael raised is that he would be happy to contribute his thoughts on upcoming software changes that are related to language support. An example of this is the languages button in the mobile web interface: it's only an icon without a text label, and it may be unclear and hard to find. If nobody objects, I'll start updating the committee's mailing list about upcoming language-related features of which I am aware. A lot of those are developed by the team in which I am the product manager, but language—as we know—is everywhere, so I'll post updates about features developed by others as well. If anybody has any comments, or if it gets to spammy, please tell me. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Fwd: Khowar Wikipedia
by Satdeep Gill 05 Apr '17

05 Apr '17

Read the email from Rehmat Aziz Chitrali Regards Satdeep Gill Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee Member, Language Committee Begin forwarded message: > From: Rehmat Aziz Chitrali <rachitrali(a)yahoo.com> > Date: 4 April 2017 at 3:28:28 AM GMT+2 > To: "satdeepgill(a)gmail.com" <satdeepgill(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Khowar Wikipedia > Reply-To: Rehmat Aziz Chitrali <rachitrali(a)yahoo.com> > > Respected sir, as you know that I am test admin and tirelessly working since 2008 for creating wikipedia in khowar, i have contributed more than 7000 edits in this project, i have translated most used interface msgs for this project. We are using Internet cafe to write articles for this project, if somebody is also using the same IP and contributing in khowar wiki project, then this is not my fault. On the basis of one IP address one project can not be declined after its approval, this is not fair, this is discrimination with the khowar community. The langcom to check these things before approval and before Phabricator task, we have already received many congratulations messeges for the approval of this project. This is embarrassing for the community. After approval we have issued to press release. I request you all to restore the phabricator task to its original position subject to the condition that the khowar community contribute more articles in khowar language within one month and complete the task, I assure you sir, trust me and give one month time to engage more regular contributors to complete the task. Your kind cooperation will be highly be appreciated. Please restore the Phabricator Task to its original position subject to condition that the Khowar Community shall contribute more ariticles and complete the task within one month Sharp. cheers and Regards > > With Profound Regards > > Rehmat Aziz Chitrali > Test Admin @KhowarWikipeid Incubator project

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