Langcom May 2016

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Western Balochi
by Amir E. Aharoni 06 May '17

06 May '17

Hi, I received a few requests to check the status of Western Balochi incubator (bgn). The code bgn is legit, the translation of most-used messages is complete, and the activity in the incubator is reasonable. A lot of pages are written; many are just one or two lines long, but I don't think that I mind. Do we want to verify that it's the right language? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Re: [Langcom] Fwd: Tulu Wikipedia status?
by Asaf Bartov 12 Jul '16

12 Jul '16

Dear committee members, I have approached the Centre for Internet and Society (CIS) in India, a WMF grantee, whose Access To Knowledge program has been supporting and encouraging the Tulu Wikipedia development efforts, to help identify a scholar who could verify the content. Here is their response (I've copy-edited slightly): We can recommend the name of Prof Purushothama Bilimale. He holds the > Kannada Chair at JNU, Delhi. A Kannada Wikipedia article about him is here > - > https://kn.wikipedia.org/s/10uo. > > His brief bio – Scholar in Kannada and Tulu languages, ex Prof & > researcher at Kannada Univ, Hampi; ex Director (of a section) at > American Institute of Indian Studies, Delhi and currently > Kannada Chair at JNU, Delhi. He was a member of the Karnataka Folk Academy. > He has guided 8 persons for PhD. Written many books in the area of folk > culture and literature. He is a recipient of Karnataka Rajyotsava Award. > Currently he is video documenting folk culture of Kodagu district. > > His email is <redacted> and phone number is <redacted>. Since he is in > some village in Kodagu district till May 30, his phone may not be reachable all the time. > Same is true > with email. > > I [Dr. Pavanaja U. Bellippady from CIS-A2K --AB] have spoken to him and he > has kindly agreed to do the evaluations. > Since this is a public and archived list, whoever wants to contact Prof. Bilimale -- please say so and I will e-mail you privately with his contact information. Cheers, A. -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org

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First principles
by Gerard Meijssen 01 Jun '16

01 Jun '16

Hoi, The language policy allows us to be flexible with how we interpret the rules. My experience is that we are not using this flexibility. I made several proposals over te last few years and they have all been torpedoed. ASL is the latest example of this. It makes sense to allow for one Wikipedia with SignWriting because it is the only way that we will get the technical aspects of MediaWiki right. It means that issues will be exposed in Commons and Wikidata as well. This is denied for no reason that is clear to me. I feel that when we cannot make use of the room the policy allows us, there is no purpose for me to be a member.. It is up to the rest of the committee to consider this. I hope that we will have an ASL Wikipedia in the near future but if that is not to be, it and the implementation of the language policy is no longer my active concern. Thanks, GerardM

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ASL
by Gerard Meijssen 31 May '16

31 May '16

Hoi, Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting. I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. Thanks, GerardM 1. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x…

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Re: [Langcom] First principles
by Amir E. Aharoni 31 May '16

31 May '16

It's entirely unclear to me what do you mean when you say : "ASL is the latest example of this. It makes sense to allow for one Wikipedia with SignWriting because it is the only way that we will get the technical aspects of MediaWiki right." בתאריך 31 במאי 2016 00:19,‏ "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> כתב: Hoi, The language policy allows us to be flexible with how we interpret the rules. My experience is that we are not using this flexibility. I made several proposals over te last few years and they have all been torpedoed. ASL is the latest example of this. It makes sense to allow for one Wikipedia with SignWriting because it is the only way that we will get the technical aspects of MediaWiki right. It means that issues will be exposed in Commons and Wikidata as well. This is denied for no reason that is clear to me. I feel that when we cannot make use of the room the policy allows us, there is no purpose for me to be a member.. It is up to the rest of the committee to consider this. I hope that we will have an ASL Wikipedia in the near future but if that is not to be, it and the implementation of the language policy is no longer my active concern. Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom

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Jamaican autonym
by Amir E. Aharoni 24 May '16

24 May '16

Hi, Now that the Wikipedia in that language is live, what should be the autonym for the Jamaican Creole language? Currently it's "Patois", which is probably incorrect. I can see different names floating around: "Jamiekan", "Jamiekan Patwa", "Patwa", "Jamiekan Kriyol", etc., and I don't know what to pick. It must be something unique and identifiable to the language's speakers. The most common name that is used in actual publications in Jamaica would be perfect. Intuitively, I'd pick "Jamiekan" because it's short and unique, but I'm really, really not an expert and I shouldn't decide it myself. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬ 2016-04-18 16:51 GMT+03:00 Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>: > I’ve published Alice in it. :-) > > > On 17 Apr 2016, at 08:30, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hoi, > > I have been told that the Jamaican languages is doing rather well. What > is its status? > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > _______________________________________________ > > Langcom mailing list > > Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >

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Tulu Wikipedia status?
by Amir E. Aharoni 19 May '16

19 May '16

Hi, I've been told indirectly that the authors of the Tulu Wikipedia incubator are trying and failing to contact the Langcom to ask whether their domain can go live. As far as I can see the analysis, the incubator is in good shape in terms of activity: https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/tcy&wik… Most important MediaWiki messages are translated, too: https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate?filter=!translated&action=… (There are just three fuzzy messages, which is really OK because they were changed just a few days ago, and the general translatewiki activity is good.) I cannot say anything else about it, however. Can anybody find an expert to verify that it's Tulu? Does anybody have any other comments? -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

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Fwd: Request to make Tulu Wikipedia Live
by Vishwanatha Badikana 18 May '16

18 May '16

Hello, Tulu Wikipedia is in incubation since 2007[1]. This was created as per the request in Meta[2]. There has been a regular activity in Tulu Wikipedia from last Two Years. There are about 68 editor with more than 10 edits. Average number of active editors per month during last two years is 7. Total number of articles is now more than 1000. All required strings have been translated. Considering all these facts, I hereby, on behalf of Tulu Wikipedian Community, make a formal request to make Tulu Wikipedia Live. There were discussions during the Tulu Wikipedian meetup held at Mangaluru on 15 February 2016, about the language code and script to be used. And it has been decided that (1) the language code will be "tcy" and (2) the script to be used will be Kannada[3]. Notes: [1] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/tcy [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Tulu [3] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/tcy/%E0%B2%B5%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%95%E0%… Thanks and regards, *I forward this message once-gain. * Tulu is an independent language. Kannada is native script for Tulu language. All contemporary works and literature are done in the Kannada script. Robert Caldwell <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Caldwell> in his book *A Comparative Grammar of the Dravidian or South Indian Family of Languages* Tulu Language has belonging to the Dravidian language family. Tulu-speaking region spread over parts of present Karnataka State of India. The erstwhile district of South Canara(Daksina Kannada), Udupi(Karnataka State of India) and Kasaragod(Kerala State, India) is the core of the Tulu speaking region. Tulunad is the homeland of the Tuluva ethnic people. The modern day Tulu literature is developing by the contributions of great authors books <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/tcy/%E0%B2%A4%E0%B3%81%E0%B2%B3%E0%…> and a host of writers of repute. Tulu Chair is functioning as a Core Study & information Centre for the local & foreign Scholars. Tulu is also a research study Centre for Research scholars & Folklore students of Karnataka and other states. It established on 1992 under Mangalore University <http://www.mangaloreuniversity.ac.in/shri-dharmasthala-manjunatheshwara-tul…> Karnataka State. Karnataka Tulu Sahithya Academy <http://www.tuluacademy.org/en/about-academy/> was establishe in 1994 at Mangalore(Dakshina Kannada District). Having Wikipedia in Tulu will definitely help in the development of the language, Tulu culture and literature. *So, I strongly support the creation of Tulu <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulu> Wikipedia.* -- *Dr. Vishwanatha Badikana* *Associate Professor, Department of Kannada* *St. Aloysius College(Autonomous), Light House Hill, Mangalore - 575 0039449615474, 9141676453* *badikana65(a)gmail.com <badikana65(a)gmail.com>*

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Re: [Langcom] Langcom Digest, Vol 33, Issue 3
by abdelwaheb turki 15 May '16

15 May '16

Dear Mr.,As shown in the new edition of Ethnologue, Tunisian Arabizi (One of the Latin Scripts used for Tunisian) has been recognized as a common script for Tunisian Arabic. As it is the most used script in Internet, we will use it in Wp/aeb. I have slightly modified this method so that it can be converted to Arabic Script. I have created a script converter for Tunisian Arabizi and I will implement it with explanations very soon. However, I need to test it before. So, you are invited to change the name of Tunisian Arabic in Latin Script into Tounsi and change the editing software of Tunisian Arabic Wikipedia into Left to Right format. Thank you in advance. When these changes are approved, I will publish the Arabizi Converter and guidelines for Tunisian Arabic dialects. Yours Sincerely,Houcemeddine Turki > From: langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Langcom Digest, Vol 33, Issue 3 > To: langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 12:00:19 +0000 > > Send Langcom mailing list submissions to > langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > langcom-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Langcom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. ASL (Gerard Meijssen) > 2. Re: ASL (Oliver Stegen) > 3. Re: ASL (Gerard Meijssen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 15 May 2016 08:47:38 +0200 > From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee > <langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: Valerie Sutton <sutton(a)signwriting.org> > Subject: [Langcom] ASL > Message-ID: > <CAO53wxV0Q592cxhmRrDz1ZtOogmD8bH+iMAgFpPYfiCZOm5eUQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hoi, > Have a look at this [1]. It clearly shows that a lot of work needs to be > done to get MediaWiki right for sign languages with SignWriting. > > I propose that we let ASL be a Wikipedia It enables all the work that needs > doing to make it work properly. It deserves it imho as well. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > > 1. > https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase/M510x546S20320495x455S1fb20495x… >

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Tunisian Wikipedia
by abdelwaheb turki 07 May '16

07 May '16

Dear Mr.,I thank you for your interest in our work. Even if it has not developed online in these months, it has certainly developed offline.The problem of Script has been solved as SIL International has recognized Tunisian Arabizi as a Latin Script for Tunisian. So, we can create the Tunisian WIkipedia in Latin Script mainly because it is the most used writing method online. I have seen the discussion of the committee in http://langcom.wikimedia.narkive.com/OjenAzCc/languages-that-are-arabic. I have to tell Mr. Gerard Meijssen that Arabizi can be converted to Arabic Script if we add to it the guidelines I created and that are explained in the work about Tunisian Arabic in English Wikipedia. So, I can developed a slightly modified version of Arabizi that is convertible to Arabic Script in months. However, I need to have the test wiki changed to LTR and I also need to change the Latin Script name of Tunisian as Tounsi.Yours Sincerely,Houcemeddine Turki

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