Now that we've seen all this, can someone tell Aphaia he has to keep his hands off from the test wikis? I'm sure he will go on erasing the work of others when he isn't told that by someone like Jimbo, Angela, Tony or Anthere.
First, "he" is a "she", fyi :) Second, she didn't erase anything, but merely listed articles on VfD - which is *not* the same as deleting. Third, on foundation-l, she and the author of the pages agreed that there was a misunderstanding - so good faith on both parts.
Regards, W
Regards
Nicolas
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Now that we've seen all this, can someone tell Aphaia he has to keep his hands off from the test wikis? I'm sure he will go on erasing the work
of
others when he isn't told that by someone like Jimbo, Angela, Tony or Anthere.
First, "he" is a "she", fyi :) Second, she didn't erase anything, but merely listed articles on VfD - which is *not* the same as deleting. Third, on foundation-l, she and the author of the pages agreed that there was a misunderstanding - so good faith on both parts.
Regards, W
Regards
Nicolas
OK, Nicolas, thank you for pointing this out. I was only afraid that the very same would happen to my own, not-yet-mature test wiki. Furthermore I apologise for considering Mrs. Aphaia a man. I naturally consider users of whom I don't know the sex as male.
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Wouter Steenbeek a écrit:
OK, Nicolas, thank you for pointing this out. I was only afraid that the very same would happen to my own, not-yet-mature test wiki. Furthermore I apologise for considering Mrs. Aphaia a man. I naturally consider users of whom I don't know the sex as male.
Naturally...
/me goes for another cup of herbal tea.
Anthere,
Remember that, so far as we have been able to tell, there _is_ a disproportionate majority of male Wikimedia project users...
I tend to make a guess based on the username, and sometimes the result is bizzarre. If you consider it, most people have in their mind a register of names which belong to people, and which are usually for boys and which are for girls.
Names such as "Anthere", "Aphaia", "Eloquence", "Maverick", "Dori", "The Epopt", "HaafLimbo", "Guaka", "Cicero", and the like, I judge based on existing data which can have odd results since none or only a couple of these names are already in my personal register.
"Anthere" I judged as a man (however if in the future I meet somebody with the screenname "Zinthere" I will probably judge them as a woman), "Aphaia" as a woman, "Eloquence" as a woman, "Maverick" as a man, "Dori" as a woman ("Dori" is the name of a female fish in a movie I saw so this one was not without precedent), "The Epopt" as a man, "HaafLimbo" as a man, "Guaka" as a man, and "Cicero" as a man.
Now please note that these are not reflections on the person themselves, and that it is certainly not something I decide to do conciously. I just have a sort of image of what these people look like in real life, and the screenname is usually the prime factor which I subconciously decide the gender by. Of course there is room for correction...
Mark
On 23/05/05, Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Wouter Steenbeek a écrit:
OK, Nicolas, thank you for pointing this out. I was only afraid that the very same would happen to my own, not-yet-mature test wiki. Furthermore I apologise for considering Mrs. Aphaia a man. I naturally consider users of whom I don't know the sex as male.
Naturally...
/me goes for another cup of herbal tea.
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Mark Williamson wrote:
Anthere,
Remember that, so far as we have been able to tell, there _is_ a disproportionate majority of male Wikimedia project users...
I am quite certain that I have met more Wikimedians than anyone else, and I am quite pleased to report on what I think may be a historic first in the history of our projects.
I was sitting at a table at a meetup in Hamburg a couple of days ago and there were 5 women and 4 men at the table. A majority female discussion at Wikipedia? Cool.
Ok, I guess this happened once before when Angela, Anthere and I had a face-to-face board meeting. :-)
It is my estimate based on attending technology conventions and Wikimedia meetups that Wikipedia is less male dominated than free software and tech generally, but still male dominated to an unfortunate extent.
--Jimbo
Jimmy Wales (jwales@wikia.com) [050605 07:15]:
It is my estimate based on attending technology conventions and Wikimedia meetups that Wikipedia is less male dominated than free software and tech generally, but still male dominated to an unfortunate extent.
As far as we can tell discussing the topic on #wikipedia, Wikipedia is run by a homosexual conspiracy. And the ones that aren't are transgender. IT'S THE WIKIPEDIANS! THEY'RE IN IT WITH THE MARTIANS!
- d.
Jimmy Wales (jwales@wikia.com) [050605 07:15]:
It is my estimate based on attending technology conventions and Wikimedia meetups that Wikipedia is less male dominated than free software and tech generally, but still male dominated to an unfortunate extent.
As far as we can tell discussing the topic on #wikipedia, Wikipedia is run by a homosexual conspiracy. And the ones that aren't are transgender. IT'S THE WIKIPEDIANS! THEY'RE IN IT WITH THE MARTIANS!
- d.
Indeed, the amount of openly LGBT Wikipedians is interestingly high. I don't know why Wikipedia is so appealing to homosexual contributors, but it appears to be that it is.
David 'DJ' Hedley (spyders@btinternet.com) [050605 07:25]:
David Gerard wrote:
Jimmy Wales (jwales@wikia.com) [050605 07:15]:
It is my estimate based on attending technology conventions and Wikimedia meetups that Wikipedia is less male dominated than free software and tech generally, but still male dominated to an unfortunate extent.
As far as we can tell discussing the topic on #wikipedia, Wikipedia is run by a homosexual conspiracy. And the ones that aren't are transgender.
(and, of course, many of the ones that are.)
IT'S THE WIKIPEDIANS! THEY'RE IN IT WITH THE MARTIANS!
Indeed, the amount of openly LGBT Wikipedians is interestingly high. I don't know why Wikipedia is so appealing to homosexual contributors, but it appears to be that it is.
It's because Wikipedia is, like, so gay. (Friends of Wikipedians should not write articles?)
- d.
On Saturday, 4th June, 2005, at 22:28, David 'DJ' Hedley spyders@btinternet.com wrote:
Indeed, the amount of openly LGBT Wikipedians is interestingly high. I don't know why Wikipedia is so appealing to homosexual contributors, but it appears to be that it is.
I'm not entirely sure that this is anything more than a combination of two factors; firstly, that people are likely to feel much less intimidated into concealing their 'defects' [0], and so be more open about themselves; and, secondly, the high-tech world in general and on-line communities in particular do tend [1] to attract a rather larger proportion in population of non-"heteronormative" [2]. It has been theorised [3] that this may be due to a greater level of emotional and general 'intelligence' required to access social networks of this type, which means that such people are more likely to be able to think of themselves as different. Personally, I'm not so sure about this, and the former seems more of a 'goer'.
[0] - In their own fears of others' opinions. [1] - Or, rather, used to, in days of yore when usenet was a blessèd place of tranquility. Umm. :-) [2] - Oh, ye gods, how I detest that term. [3] - But quite possibly not by anyone encyclopædic. ;-)
Yours,
James D. Forrester a écrit:
On Saturday, 4th June, 2005, at 22:28, David 'DJ' Hedley spyders@btinternet.com wrote:
Indeed, the amount of openly LGBT Wikipedians is interestingly high. I don't know why Wikipedia is so appealing to homosexual contributors, but it appears to be that it is.
I'm not entirely sure that this is anything more than a combination of two factors; firstly, that people are likely to feel much less intimidated into concealing their 'defects' [0], and so be more open about themselves; and, secondly, the high-tech world in general and on-line communities in particular do tend [1] to attract a rather larger proportion in population of non-"heteronormative" [2]. It has been theorised [3] that this may be due to a greater level of emotional and general 'intelligence' required to access social networks of this type, which means that such people are more likely to be able to think of themselves as different. Personally, I'm not so sure about this, and the former seems more of a 'goer'.
[0] - In their own fears of others' opinions. [1] - Or, rather, used to, in days of yore when usenet was a blessèd place of tranquility. Umm. :-) [2] - Oh, ye gods, how I detest that term. [3] - But quite possibly not by anyone encyclopædic. ;-)
Yours,
I loved this mail :-)
ant
The most likely reason is that Wikipedia attracts intelligence, and intelligent people are much more likely to be willing to consider other possibilities and head down roads that unintelligent people might not.
If I weren't intelligent, I probably would've ignored the fact that I am attracted to other men, or said "I'm attracted to other men, but I'm straight".
Intelligence isn't really the only factor though. A very intelligent person from a lower socioeconomic class is less likely to be "out", and a Dutch man is more likely to be "out" than a Korean man, who is in turn more likely to be "out" than a Bhutanese man.
Mark
On 04/06/05, David 'DJ' Hedley spyders@btinternet.com wrote:
Jimmy Wales (jwales@wikia.com) [050605 07:15]:
It is my estimate based on attending technology conventions and Wikimedia meetups that Wikipedia is less male dominated than free software and tech generally, but still male dominated to an unfortunate extent.
As far as we can tell discussing the topic on #wikipedia, Wikipedia is run by a homosexual conspiracy. And the ones that aren't are transgender. IT'S THE WIKIPEDIANS! THEY'RE IN IT WITH THE MARTIANS!
- d.
Indeed, the amount of openly LGBT Wikipedians is interestingly high. I don't know why Wikipedia is so appealing to homosexual contributors, but it appears to be that it is.
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David 'DJ' Hedley wrote:
Indeed, the amount of openly LGBT Wikipedians is interestingly high. I don't know why Wikipedia is so appealing to homosexual contributors, but it appears to be that it is.
We also have a disproportionate number of left handed people.
--Jimbo
David 'DJ' Hedley wrote:
Indeed, the amount of openly LGBT Wikipedians is interestingly high. I
don't
know why Wikipedia is so appealing to homosexual contributors, but it appears to be that it is.
We also have a disproportionate number of left handed people.
--Jimbo
And of Asperger's syndrome bearers... It's just an advantage here when you're somehow deviant... ;-). Such a project with an open, non-hierarchical philosophy simply appeals to those who are not in in real life. (Please take this with some irony, the undersigned is in one of these groups...)
Wouter
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Steenbeek" musiqolog@hotmail.com To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Homosexuals and other groups overrepresented here(was: sco/fiu-vro in danger)
David 'DJ' Hedley wrote:
Indeed, the amount of openly LGBT Wikipedians is interestingly high. I
don't
know why Wikipedia is so appealing to homosexual contributors, but it appears to be that it is.
We also have a disproportionate number of left handed people.
--Jimbo
And of Asperger's syndrome bearers... It's just an advantage here when you're somehow deviant... ;-). Such a project with an open,
non-hierarchical
philosophy simply appeals to those who are not in in real life. (Please
take
this with some irony, the undersigned is in one of these groups...)
Wouter
Well, i'm left-handed, but I don't have Asperger's syndrome. Infact i've never heard of it :/
David 'DJ' Hedley a écrit:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Steenbeek" musiqolog@hotmail.com To: wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Homosexuals and other groups overrepresented here(was: sco/fiu-vro in danger)
David 'DJ' Hedley wrote:
Indeed, the amount of openly LGBT Wikipedians is interestingly high. I
don't
know why Wikipedia is so appealing to homosexual contributors, but it appears to be that it is.
We also have a disproportionate number of left handed people.
--Jimbo
And of Asperger's syndrome bearers... It's just an advantage here when you're somehow deviant... ;-). Such a project with an open,
non-hierarchical
philosophy simply appeals to those who are not in in real life. (Please
take
this with some irony, the undersigned is in one of these groups...)
Wouter
Well, i'm left-handed, but I don't have Asperger's syndrome. Infact i've never heard of it :/
Hmmmm
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Aspergian_Wikipedians
By the way, has Aplank left us ? I have not seen him in quite a while. He is even listed TWICE on the Aspergian list :-)
I wonder if I should not add myself on it as some told I was a light autist as a child.
.... I just read something scary
''Autism presents in a wide degree, from those who are nearly dysfunctional and apparently mentally retarded to those whose symptoms are mild or remedied enough to appear unexceptional ('normal') to the general public. These autistic persons are often classified as "nerds" or "geeks" by their peers.''
Nerds ?
Geeks ??
Wikipediholics ???
Ant
On 6/6/05, Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
Well, i'm left-handed, but I don't have Asperger's syndrome. Infact i've never heard of it :/
Is there a list of [[left handed|sinister]] wikipedians?
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 07:43:41PM +0200, Anthere wrote:
By the way, has Aplank left us ? I have not seen him in quite a while. He is even listed TWICE on the Aspergian list :-)
for left and right hand?
I wonder if I should not add myself on it as some told I was a light autist as a child.
.... I just read something scary
''Autism presents in a wide degree, from those who are nearly dysfunctional and apparently mentally retarded to those whose symptoms are mild or remedied enough to appear unexceptional ('normal') to the general public. These autistic persons are often classified as "nerds" or "geeks" by their peers.''
:de also includes lingual, communication and social problems, nothing I'd expect from a Wikipedian.
ciao, tom
By that, do they mean can't get a boyfriend/girlfriend, and aren't good at nonverbal communication, or do they mean something more extreme?
Mark
On 06/06/05, Thomas R. Koll tomk32@gmx.de wrote:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 07:43:41PM +0200, Anthere wrote:
By the way, has Aplank left us ? I have not seen him in quite a while. He is even listed TWICE on the Aspergian list :-)
for left and right hand?
I wonder if I should not add myself on it as some told I was a light autist as a child.
.... I just read something scary
''Autism presents in a wide degree, from those who are nearly dysfunctional and apparently mentally retarded to those whose symptoms are mild or remedied enough to appear unexceptional ('normal') to the general public. These autistic persons are often classified as "nerds" or "geeks" by their peers.''
:de also includes lingual, communication and social problems, nothing I'd expect from a Wikipedian.
ciao, tom
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Autism can go to being extremely asocial (such as not speaking, reacting violently to touch, refusing exchange with other individuals, having repetitive behavior... these autists are unlikely to have a job or a family) to having light troubles in interacting with others.
An autist is more likely not to have a love relationship with someone else. But even if he does, he can be someone who will not be very warm toward spouse, perhaps not appreciate physical touch a lot. I guess this can be a the same time an issue both in terms of verbal and non verbal communication.
I guess they are often qualified nerds because they deeply engaged themselves in activities which do not require to much human contact, or, at least activities where they can choose to be in contact or *not* in contact with others (single game playing, stamp gathering, gardening...). I think for most autists, the vibes sent by other humans have a huge impact and are very overbearing. They sort of flood their mental and prevent them from properly functionning. In front of this, an extreme solution is to build barriers, refuse contact entirely, to the point of not understanding the society. A less extreme relief solution is to give time to activities which can relieve them from the psychological pressure provided by other human beings. A sort of blank out relief. A routine activity helps forget the environmental noise.
I do not think that means they cant have a boyfriend/girlfriend, but it is likely they will get one not requiring too much interaction from them. I'd say the spouse should probably understand the need of the autist to have times of isolation and his requirement for a very regular life. Anything getting largely out of the routine seems to be very hard to handle for the autist.
ant
Mark Williamson a écrit:
By that, do they mean can't get a boyfriend/girlfriend, and aren't good at nonverbal communication, or do they mean something more extreme?
Mark
On 06/06/05, Thomas R. Koll tomk32@gmx.de wrote:
On Mon, Jun 06, 2005 at 07:43:41PM +0200, Anthere wrote:
By the way, has Aplank left us ? I have not seen him in quite a while. He is even listed TWICE on the Aspergian list :-)
for left and right hand?
I wonder if I should not add myself on it as some told I was a light autist as a child.
.... I just read something scary
''Autism presents in a wide degree, from those who are nearly dysfunctional and apparently mentally retarded to those whose symptoms are mild or remedied enough to appear unexceptional ('normal') to the general public. These autistic persons are often classified as "nerds" or "geeks" by their peers.''
:de also includes lingual, communication and social problems, nothing I'd expect from a Wikipedian.
ciao, tom
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Hello,
I haven't been reading this thread from the start, so if someone has already posted this link, I apologise.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1409903,00.html
It didn't really say the degree of the guy's autism, but I figure this is relevant on two points in the thread, both autism and homosexuality.
little Alex
Anthere wrote:
Autism can go to being extremely asocial (such as not speaking, reacting violently to touch, refusing exchange with other individuals, having repetitive behavior... these autists are unlikely to have a job or a family) to having light troubles in interacting with others.
An autist is more likely not to have a love relationship with someone else. But even if he does, he can be someone who will not be very warm toward spouse, perhaps not appreciate physical touch a lot. I guess this can be a the same time an issue both in terms of verbal and non verbal communication.
I guess they are often qualified nerds because they deeply engaged themselves in activities which do not require to much human contact, or, at least activities where they can choose to be in contact or *not* in contact with others (single game playing, stamp gathering, gardening...). I think for most autists, the vibes sent by other humans have a huge impact and are very overbearing. They sort of flood their mental and prevent them from properly functionning. In front of this, an extreme solution is to build barriers, refuse contact entirely, to the point of not understanding the society. A less extreme relief solution is to give time to activities which can relieve them from the psychological pressure provided by other human beings. A sort of blank out relief. A routine activity helps forget the environmental noise.
I do not think that means they cant have a boyfriend/girlfriend, but it is likely they will get one not requiring too much interaction from them. I'd say the spouse should probably understand the need of the autist to have times of isolation and his requirement for a very regular life. Anything getting largely out of the routine seems to be very hard to handle for the autist.
ant
Thanks Anthere, couldn't have explained it better. I must emphasise however that not all of them suffer from the same symptoms, but need for occasional isolation is indeed very common. On the other hand, I personally feel the need of contact with other people as well, as I am a member of a student fraternity, for example. But... one remains strange anyway...:)
Wouter
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Wouter Steenbeek a écrit:
Anthere wrote:
Autism can go to being extremely asocial (such as not speaking, reacting violently to touch, refusing exchange with other individuals, having repetitive behavior... these autists are unlikely to have a job or a family) to having light troubles in interacting with others.
An autist is more likely not to have a love relationship with someone else. But even if he does, he can be someone who will not be very warm toward spouse, perhaps not appreciate physical touch a lot. I guess this can be a the same time an issue both in terms of verbal and non verbal communication.
I guess they are often qualified nerds because they deeply engaged themselves in activities which do not require to much human contact, or, at least activities where they can choose to be in contact or *not* in contact with others (single game playing, stamp gathering, gardening...). I think for most autists, the vibes sent by other humans have a huge impact and are very overbearing. They sort of flood their mental and prevent them from properly functionning. In front of this, an extreme solution is to build barriers, refuse contact entirely, to the point of not understanding the society. A less extreme relief solution is to give time to activities which can relieve them from the psychological pressure provided by other human beings. A sort of blank out relief. A routine activity helps forget the environmental noise.
I do not think that means they cant have a boyfriend/girlfriend, but it is likely they will get one not requiring too much interaction from them. I'd say the spouse should probably understand the need of the autist to have times of isolation and his requirement for a very regular life. Anything getting largely out of the routine seems to be very hard to handle for the autist.
ant
Thanks Anthere, couldn't have explained it better. I must emphasise however that not all of them suffer from the same symptoms, but need for occasional isolation is indeed very common. On the other hand, I personally feel the need of contact with other people as well, as I am a member of a student fraternity, for example. But... one remains strange anyway...:)
Wouter
Nod. Agreed. Very diverse lot. I do not think generalization is possible. Only trends; but trends help others to understand a bit.
ant
''Autism presents in a wide degree, from those who are nearly dysfunctional and apparently mentally retarded to those whose symptoms are mild or remedied enough to appear unexceptional ('normal') to the general public. These autistic persons are often classified as "nerds" or "geeks" by their peers.''
:de also includes lingual, communication and social problems, nothing I'd expect from a Wikipedian.
Except social problems, at least for some of us. But earnestly, I am sure quite a number of Wikipedians have it. Nothing to worry about, as long as things keep going as they go now...
Wouter
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David Gerard a écrit:
Jimmy Wales (jwales@wikia.com) [050605 07:15]:
It is my estimate based on attending technology conventions and Wikimedia meetups that Wikipedia is less male dominated than free software and tech generally, but still male dominated to an unfortunate extent.
As far as we can tell discussing the topic on #wikipedia, Wikipedia is run by a homosexual conspiracy. And the ones that aren't are transgender. IT'S THE WIKIPEDIANS! THEY'RE IN IT WITH THE MARTIANS!
- d.
Nod. And when neither male homosexuals, nor transgenders, they are females. Ick.
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