On 28/03/07, Ян Марозаў <janmarozau(a)gmail.com> wrote: If you want to get any support on this, don't give us such hype. Even alphabets are different in these two versions of Belarusian language. And to tell about "difference of less than of British and American" is just insulting to the intelligence of the readers. *However*, I support the motion that the previously existing interwiki links to the articles media etc. should be retained somehow. ---

2007/3/28, Yury Tarasievich <yury.tarasievich(a)gmail.com>om>: You mean letter ґ, don't you? But it's not used widely by belarusian wikipedians, who write in tarashkevica. The difference is really quite small. Mostly in usage of ь, declension of nouns and some other trifles. The point is that both grammars are used in old variant of wikipedia.

On 28/03/07, Jan Marozau <janmarozau(a)gmail.com> wrote: ... It's used quite widely. Anyway, it's there, and it's introduced in the places even the Belarusian phonology doesn't know about. Oh yeah. People study for years to get all those "trifles" right, and you forget revamping half the vocabulary, anyway. No, they are not. Standard version was from beginning kept as the second grade language. No categories, no interface, no rules etc. Rules imposing maintaining of the version of the language article's written in, with clause mandating asking the permission of the previous author -- in Wikipedia, good grief! That was the whole point of the 2006 yeras discussions on Meta and be: -- see archives.

2007/3/28, Yury Tarasievich <yury.tarasievich(a)gmail.com>om>: Thanks, Yury, for that remark! I hope foundators would make such an exception. and i really strongly appreciate an idea of re-uniting. it seems to be useful for Belarusian common cause.

??????! 1) LangCom gave its recommendations, 2) the Board made a decision, 3) the domains have been renamed according to Board decision, 4) as per Board decision we wait for the setup of a Committee that will decide whether be-x-old shall be shutdown or not. LangCom scope of activity ended at step 1. We are currently at step 4. IMHO, you should all stop considering this thing as an internal Byelorussian fight, because it has long stopped being such. After 4) will come 5) and the time you waste in internal quarrels is time you should use in preparing a proper defense for be-x-old, if you care for it. Let's be very clear: there is a suspect that political misuse *might* have been larger than just a "stolen ISO code". If this is proved (archives are archives, checking is easy) then the result of the process is obvious. If ANY political party/group/sect in ANY linguistic entity needs a wiki for their propaganda they are welcome to open one AT THEIR OWN EXPENSES but well away from wmf trademark/resources. In instead, step 5) might find that be-x-old is just a regular encyclopedia (IMHO that's what it is, at least as far as I could read myself). Add to this a peaceful end for this stupid everlasting civil war and although it won't be me judging I believe that the conclusion would sound like "forget it, false alarm". Only do not expect codes to be used improperly. LangCom will oppose ANY descriptive code; I'd rather drop dead than issuing one. If we issue one for you today, tomorrow we will have all the separatist groups of the planet standing in line to get a wiki and a code that will give them some sort of international recognition + free propaganda. Are you crazy or what!? We will apply just ANY ISO decision without discussing it, but we are not going to issue/modify ANYTHING AT ALL ourselves. My personal wish is that all this will end well and that we will eventually hold a great social gathering of all Byelorussian wikipedians to share a beer and celebrate a new period of friendship :) Life's too short to make a tragedy of it, let's start to see things with a positive stance. If everything ends well (and we all know that it will probably end well, after all) both editions will have had 100 times more traffic than they ever got before just because of this "scandal", which means some 10-15 new users for both of them. Be positive ;) DISCLAIMER: this is not a collective LangCom statement, but just my own individual mail. Berto 'd Sera Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri) http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html -----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Yury Tarasievich Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:41 PM To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] belarusian wikipedia (be and be-x-old) Ah, sorry forgot to add. You know, of course, I'm one if the inititative group of the standard language Belarusian wiki. So, *personally* I wouldn't mind if the alternative version Be:WP would retain its previous be.wikipedia.org, AS LONG AS the standard language Belarusian wiki gets ISO standard code, with no tails or suffixes, too, -- here it would be *bel.wikipedia.org*. Shouldn't be too hard to organise making of this small exception?? --- _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

What is so /horrible/ about the official orthography that you can't use it? Your language needs help. I think at this point you need to forget your divisions, and do whatever is necessary to keep above water, which for me seems to be adopting official orthography and pitching in tothe new be.wp. Mark On 28/03/07, Jan Marozau <janmarozau(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Refije dirije lanmè yo paske nou posede pwòp bato.

Apparently, it's more important to them to use their own spelling rules. Perhaps we should start a new English Wikipedia for hXc kids who want to TyPe In AlTcApS tO mAkE a PoLiTiCaL sTaTeMeNt? (which is exactly what it seems like people using nas^a niva are trying to do) Mark On 28/03/07, Yury Tarasievich <yury.tarasievich(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- Refije dirije lanmè yo paske nou posede pwòp bato.

On 29/03/07, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote: lol i thk we nd txt.wp.org 2 nabl kids 2 wrt wkpda in thr own lang :) - d.

AOL!!!1!!! (i stop now) - d. On 29/03/07, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote: