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Mark Williamson

2 Feb 2 Feb

10:56 p.m.

I propose that we use something like fiu-voro as the language code (there is no ethnolgue code for Voro because it lists it as a dialect of Estonian). The issue of a code nonwithstanding, I think it should be set up right away. Mark On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:11:58 +0000, Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Forwarding from foundation-l to wikipedia-l since there was no reaction on that list.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sulev Iva <juvasul(a)ut.ee> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:43:52 +0200 Subject: [Foundation-l] Võro Vikipeediä To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org Dear members of the foundaton, I'm a user of Estonian (Võrok) and English Wikipedia (Võrolang) and a native speaker, researcher and activist of the Võro language spoken in Estonia. Võro (native name Võro or Võro kiil´) belongs to the Finnic branch of the Finno-Ugric languages. It has about 70.000 speakers mostly in southern Estonia. Language codes (not yet official) are Vro and Vr. See more about Võro in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Võro and http://www.wi.ee/. I and my friends would like to begin with Võro language Wikipedia. We can translate Estonian language file to Võro (actually we have already started) and begin with creation of new articles. Of course your objection may be that there are too few speakers of Võro. Yes, but the speakers are quite active and computerized people and the Võro language community needs an encyclopedia in their own language. I'm sure the number of potential editors in Võro is not smaller than the Kashoub, Cornish, Gaelic, Faroese or Saami's or many other small languages' one. I have discussed the idea of Võro Wikipedia with Estonian Wikipedia developers: Andres, Ker, Klaus etc. (http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipeedia:Community_Portal#V.C3.B5rukeelne_Wi…). They are supporting the idea and will help us. I hope you will support us too. Best regards, Võrolang -- 80.235.61.143 11:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC) _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

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Mark Williamson

3 Feb 3 Feb

12:21 a.m.

Yes, but it has not been released yet, and according to Brion we won't use it until it is. So, unless they want to wait until some time in 2006 for their own Wikipedia, we'll have to make do with a non-3-letter code. Mark On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:22:09 +0100, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Mark Williamson wrote:

I propose that we use something like fiu-voro as the language code (there is no ethnolgue code for Voro because it lists it as a dialect of Estonian). The issue of a code nonwithstanding, I think it should be set up right away. Mark On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:11:58 +0000, Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Forwarding from foundation-l to wikipedia-l since there was no reaction on that list.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sulev Iva <juvasul(a)ut.ee> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:43:52 +0200 Subject: [Foundation-l] Võro Vikipeediä To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org Dear members of the foundaton, I'm a user of Estonian (Võrok) and English Wikipedia (Võrolang) and a native speaker, researcher and activist of the Võro language spoken in Estonia. Võro (native name Võro or Võro kiil´) belongs to the Finnic branch of the Finno-Ugric languages. It has about 70.000 speakers mostly in southern Estonia. Language codes (not yet official) are Vro and Vr. See more about Võro in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Võro and http://www.wi.ee/. I and my friends would like to begin with Võro language Wikipedia. We can translate Estonian language file to Võro (actually we have already started) and begin with creation of new articles. Of course your objection may be that there are too few speakers of Võro. Yes, but the speakers are quite active and computerized people and the Võro language community needs an encyclopedia in their own language. I'm sure the number of potential editors in Võro is not smaller than the Kashoub, Cornish, Gaelic, Faroese or Saami's or many other small languages' one. I have discussed the idea of Võro Wikipedia with Estonian Wikipedia developers: Andres, Ker, Klaus etc. (http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipeedia:Community_Portal#V.C3.B5rukeelne_Wi…). They are supporting the idea and will help us. I hope you will support us too. Best regards, Võrolang -- 80.235.61.143 11:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC) _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

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There is a code for Voro in the upcoming version of ISO-639 it will be vor. Thanks, GerardM

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Mark Williamson

7:24 a.m.

Because it's not official yet. Mark On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 06:51:04 +0100, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Mark Williamson wrote:

Yes, but it has not been released yet, and according to Brion we won't use it until it is. So, unless they want to wait until some time in 2006 for their own Wikipedia, we'll have to make do with a non-3-letter code. Mark

The to be released ISO 639 codes will be used in a proper manner; codes published will only be used for the proposed use and when this use is withdrawn the codes will not be re-used. I am interested to know WHY we would not use these codes. Gerard

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:22:09 +0100, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Mark Williamson wrote:

I propose that we use something like fiu-voro as the language code (there is no ethnolgue code for Voro because it lists it as a dialect of Estonian). The issue of a code nonwithstanding, I think it should be set up right away. Mark On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:11:58 +0000, Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Forwarding from foundation-l to wikipedia-l since there was no >reaction on that list.... > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Sulev Iva <juvasul(a)ut.ee> >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:43:52 +0200 >Subject: [Foundation-l] Võro Vikipeediä >To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org > >Dear members of the foundaton, >I'm a user of Estonian (Võrok) and English Wikipedia (Võrolang) and a >native speaker, >researcher and activist of the Võro language spoken in Estonia. Võro >(native name Võro >or Võro kiil´) belongs to the Finnic branch of the Finno-Ugric >languages. It has about >70.000 speakers mostly in southern Estonia. >Language codes (not yet official) are Vro and Vr. See more about Võro in >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Võro and http://www.wi.ee/. > >I and my friends would like to begin with Võro language Wikipedia. We >can translate >Estonian language file to Võro (actually we have already started) and begin with >creation of new articles. Of course your objection may be that there are too few >speakers of Võro. Yes, but the speakers are quite active and >computerized people and >the Võro language community needs an encyclopedia in their own >language. I'm sure the >number of potential editors in Võro is not smaller than the Kashoub, >Cornish, Gaelic, >Faroese or Saami's or many other small languages' one. I have >discussed the idea of >Võro Wikipedia with Estonian Wikipedia developers: Andres, Ker, Klaus etc. >(http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipeedia:Community_Portal#V.C3.B5rukeelne_Wikipedia). >They are supporting the idea and will help us. I hope you will support us too. >Best regards, Võrolang -- 80.235.61.143 11:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC) >_______________________________________________ >Wikipedia-l mailing list >Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

There is a code for Voro in the upcoming version of ISO-639 it will be vor. Thanks, GerardM

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Mark Williamson

9:02 a.m.

Hi Sulev, Since "vro" and "vr" aren't official codes, unfortunately we can't use them. I agree that fiu-voro is probably best for right now. It's not difficult to change later, although usually instead of changing you just move it to another domain but keep the old one as a redirect. Mark On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:50:48 +0200, Sulev Iva <juvasul(a)ut.ee> wrote:

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It seems that "vor" in the next release of ISO 639 doesn't stand for the Võro language in Estonia. There is a Voro language somewhere in Nigeria using SIL code "VOR", see http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=VOR. Probably "vor" is meant for this African language. We can not use the same code for Võro in Estonia. I planned to ask the codes "vro" and "vr" for Võro (my mother tongue spoken in Estonia) from ISO and Ethnologue. I have no information that somebody else had asked codes for Võro. So it would be great if we could use "vro" or "vr". But if it is impossible so why not to use "fiu-voro" or "fiu-vr" or "fiu- vro" as a temporary code. But is it hard to change it later into "vro" or "vr"? Regards Sulev 3.02.2005 7:51:04, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> kirot':

Mark Williamson wrote:

Yes, but it has not been released yet, and according to Brion we won't use it until it is. So, unless they want to wait until some time in 2006 for their own Wikipedia, we'll have to make do with a non-3-letter code. Mark

The to be released ISO 639 codes will be used in a proper manner; codes published will only be used for the proposed use and when this use is withdrawn the codes will not be re-used. I am interested to know WHY we would not use these codes. Gerard

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:22:09 +0100, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Mark Williamson wrote: >I propose that we use something like fiu-voro as the language code >(there is no ethnolgue code for Voro because it lists it as a dialect >of Estonian). > >The issue of a code nonwithstanding, I think it should be set up right away. > >Mark > >On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:11:58 +0000, Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>Forwarding from foundation-l to wikipedia-l since there was no >>reaction on that list.... >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>From: Sulev Iva <juvasul(a)ut.ee> >>Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:43:52 +0200 >>Subject: [Foundation-l] Võro Vikipeediä >>To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org >> >>Dear members of the foundaton, >>I'm a user of Estonian (Võrok) and English Wikipedia (Võrolang) and a >>native speaker, >>researcher and activist of the Võro language spoken in Estonia. Võro >>(native name Võro >>or Võro kiil´) belongs to the Finnic branch of the Finno-Ugric >>languages. It has about >>70.000 speakers mostly in southern Estonia. >>Language codes (not yet official) are Vro and Vr. See more about Võro in >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Võro and http://www.wi.ee/. >> >>I and my friends would like to begin with Võro language Wikipedia. We >>can translate >>Estonian language file to Võro (actually we have already started) and begin with >>creation of new articles. Of course your objection may be that there are too few >>speakers of Võro. Yes, but the speakers are quite active and >>computerized people and >>the Võro language community needs an encyclopedia in their own >>language. I'm sure the >>number of potential editors in Võro is not smaller than the Kashoub, >>Cornish, Gaelic, >>Faroese or Saami's or many other small languages' one. I have >>discussed the idea of >>Võro Wikipedia with Estonian Wikipedia developers: Andres, Ker, Klaus etc. >>(http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipeedia:Community_Portal#V.C3.B5rukeelne_Wikipedia). >>They are supporting the idea and will help us. I hope you will support us too. >>Best regards, Võrolang -- 80.235.61.143 11:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC) >>_______________________________________________ >>Wikipedia-l mailing list >>Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org >>http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >> >> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Wikipedia-l mailing list >Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org >http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > > > > > There is a code for Voro in the upcoming version of ISO-639 it will be vor. Thanks, GerardM

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Sabine Cretella

7:08 a.m.

Mark Williamson wrote:

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Yes, but it has not been released yet, and according to Brion we won't use it until it is. So, unless they want to wait until some time in 2006 for their own Wikipedia, we'll have to make do with a non-3-letter code.

Sorry, I'll take it short this time: not using "vor" does not make sense - it would just mean a 100%: please do double work as next year everything would then need to be adapted. If vor is likely to be the code it should be used to avoid misunderstandings in 2006 as people will ask how come we were not able to use the official code even it is was known before official release date. There's no law that prevents us from using it. My 2 cts. (EURO;-) Ciao, Sabine

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Mark Williamson

9:53 p.m.

Hi Sulev, I believe that at this point the creation is probably for-sure and the time of creation is equal to the soonest convenience of the developers. The surest bet to create it is Brion since he does most of these sorts of things. You might try filing a bug request at http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/, or leaving a message on Brion's, TimStarling's, or another developer's talkpage on Wikipedia. Mark On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:50:24 +0200, Sulev Iva <juvasul(a)ut.ee> wrote:

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Dear members of Wikipedia-l and Foundation-l, I asked for creation of Võro Wikipedia last month in foundation-l and request page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#V.C3.B5ro_Wikiped…. Angela forwarded it also to the Wikipedia-l. It was proposed in the discussion that the code for Võro Wikipedia could be for the first time "fiu-vro" or "fiu-voro". There was no serious objections against creating. Does somebody know when the Võro Wikipedia will be created? (By the way: on what the creation depends, who and when decides it?) What else should be done by me before? Regards Sulev (Võrok) 2.02.2005 20:11:58, Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> kirot':

Forwarding from foundation-l to wikipedia-l since there was no reaction on that list.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sulev Iva <juvasul(a)ut.ee> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:43:52 +0200 Subject: [Foundation-l] Võro Vikipeediä To: foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org Dear members of the foundaton, I'm a user of Estonian (Võrok) and English Wikipedia (Võrolang) and a native speaker, researcher and activist of the Võro language spoken in Estonia. Võro (native name Võro or Võro kiil´) belongs to the Finnic branch of the Finno-Ugric languages. It has about 70.000 speakers mostly in southern Estonia. Language codes (not yet official) are Vro and Vr. See more about Võro in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Võro and http://www.wi.ee/. I and my friends would like to begin with Võro language Wikipedia. We can translate Estonian language file to Võro (actually we have already started) and begin with creation of new articles. Of course your objection may be that there are too few speakers of Võro. Yes, but the speakers are quite active and computerized people and the Võro language community needs an encyclopedia in their own language. I'm sure the number of potential editors in Võro is not smaller than the Kashoub, Cornish, Gaelic, Faroese or Saami's or many other small languages' one. I have discussed the idea of Võro Wikipedia with Estonian Wikipedia developers: Andres, Ker, Klaus etc. (http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipeedia:Community_Portal#V.C3.B5rukeelne_Wi…). They are supporting the idea and will help us. I hope you will support us too. Best regards, Võrolang -- 80.235.61.143 11:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC) _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

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