Wikipedia-l June 2005

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Why do we have them??
by Mark Williamson 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

Hi all, I have a question: why do we have separate Wikipedias for Malay and Indonesian? According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differences_between_Malay_and_Indonesian , "The differences between Malay (Bahasa Melayu) and Indonesian (Bahasa Indonesia) are comparable to the those between British English and American English." If this is the case, then why does our policy on English differ so sharply than our policy with Malay/Indonesian? Don't people realise that we're dividing labour? If they had col-laborated on a single Wikipedia from the very beginning, the Malay/Indonesian Wikipedia would probably have at least 15k articles by now. Mark -- SI HOC LEGERE SCIS NIMIVM ERVDITIONIS HABES QVANTVM MATERIAE MATERIETVR MARMOTA MONAX SI MARMOTA MONAX MATERIAM POSSIT MATERIARI ESTNE VOLVMEN IN TOGA AN SOLVM TIBI LIBET ME VIDERE

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Re: Re: The elections are on, but I cast a blank ballot!
by Craig Franklin 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

Scríobh Mark Williamson: >I would discourage this. Unless you really don't have an opinion, why >not vote for your preferred candidates? If you don't have a preference >and you don't like any of them, I can understand. But I do have an opinion. The positions of all the candidates seem to be essentially identical, "we love Wikipedia and NPOV". I see no dramatic proposals on the topics of copyright, promotion, hardware or managing growth. The candidates all propose to increase community input to the board, but don't say exactly how they will do this. They all talk about guiding the board, but offer no suggestions as to what direction they will guide it in. Nobody, in particular, has expressed an opinion on the Chinese Wikinews issue. In summary, I voted blank. Sláinte, - Craig ------------------- Craig Franklin PO Box 764 Ashgrove, Q, 4060 Australia http://www.halo-17.net - Australia's Favourite Source of Indie Music, Art, and Culture.

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Mongolian, crazy Mongolian
by Mark Williamson 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

Hi all As you may or may not already know, Mongolian is one of the few languages in the world that is written vertically _all_ the time (Japanese, Chinese, and a few others can be written vertically, but they can also be written horizontally). Although Outer Mongolia (ie, the independent nation, as opposed the Inner Mongolia which is currently administered by the People's Republic of China) switched decades ago to the Cyrillic script for Mongolian (due to pressure from their favourite ally and neighbour, the USSR), since 1994 great efforts have been made to reintroduce the Mongolian script. Many Outer Mongolians can read it, and it's being taught in schools now. Inner Mongolia never switched scripts: it has used Mongolian script continuously now since its emergence. Now, the issue here isn't which script to use as that can be worked out later. The issue here is how we would organise a vertical website. W3C standards spell out how to make vertical text properly using HTML. However, this isn't supported by all browsers (Firefox, for one, doesn't support it). Also, since the user interface is designed for languages that are written horizontally, it may be difficult to adapt to Mongolian. The typical solution is to flip EVERYTHING 90 degrees counterclockwise. A representation of what a proper implementation of Mongolian script protocols on mn.wiki should look like can be found here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Mongolian_wikipedia_prev… (it's pretty neat, actually) Mark -- SI HOC LEGERE SCIS NIMIVM ERVDITIONIS HABES QVANTVM MATERIAE MATERIETVR MARMOTA MONAX SI MARMOTA MONAX MATERIAM POSSIT MATERIARI ESTNE VOLVMEN IN TOGA AN SOLVM TIBI LIBET ME VIDERE

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interface once again
by Wouter Steenbeek 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Brion Vibber wrote in a message I did not receive: This sometimes happens as a temporary glitch (message cache breaks and some requests use the defaults for a few minutes; those then may be cached so they're visible longer). Can you check if it's still doing it? (Try logging out/in.) - This has been going on for a few days now and still occurs. Actually, the right and outdated versions alternate and we seem to receive them /ad random/. It could of course be temporary, but it is getting galling now... Wouter _________________________________________________________________ Nooit ongewenste berichten ontvangen: gebruik MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/

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Icelandic - "Jökull/jökull"
by Sabine Cretella 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Hi, on the Italian wiktionary someone with only IP added the above term with a capital letter. The definition says that it means "ice" or is a person's name. Now I tried to check with is.wikipedia/is.wiktionary and I found out that indeed it is a persons name, but I cannot find a reference to its meaning of "ice". Anyway when it means "ice" doesn't it need the spelling "jökull" with a lower case "j"? I hope there's someone talking this language on the list, otherwise I'll just add the name and delete the rest. Sorry for crossposting, but since this is a seldom language chances are higher that someone can help me. Ciao Sabine ___________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com

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Re: Voting
by Giuseppe DAngelo 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

I always take my democratic right to vote very seriously. I thought I would share with the rest of the world my thought processes in selecting amongst the excellent candidates for the whatyamacallit. I voted one for Anthere because it is a such a beautiful name. I voted two for Angela because her name is very similar to my surname. I voted three for one of the token blokes - in the name of fairness and diversity - I am a firm believer in voting on principles and the big picture. I hope that more of us can open up and share our voting experience, speaking personally, I found this to be quite cathartic. Salutamu pippu d'angelo, canberra --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi, antispam, antivirus, POP3

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new statistics ?
by Gabriel 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

how often the statistics page is updated ? i am just curius of how are we doing

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RE: [Wikipedia-l] Re: DB migration issue
by Edward De Jongh 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Thanks -----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Tim Starling Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 2:11 PM To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: DB migration issue Edward De Jongh wrote: > Hi all I have an issue with migrating a current wiki from RHES8 to > Debian Sarge. Is this the right list to post to? If not please let me > know which is the correct list. > You want mediawiki-l: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l -- Tim Starling _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l

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DB migration issue
by Edward De Jongh 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Hi all I have an issue with migrating a current wiki from RHES8 to Debian Sarge. Is this the right list to post to? If not please let me know which is the correct list. ed

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The elections are on, but I cast a blank ballot!
by Gregory Maxwell 29 Jun '05

29 Jun '05

If you haven't heard, the board member elections are official on. I'd like to encourage everyone who is eligible to participate, but I'd also like to encourage you do like I did and cast a blank ballot. Because we use approval voting, a blank ballot is the same as voting for everyone and the same as not voting for all. But it is also different because it shows your interest in the process, without either approving of or disapproving of any particular candidate. Since there already votes there is no risk of us going without a board, which is good. :) I have posted why I choose to vote blank and why I think you should do the same on my userpage, and I welcome comments. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gmaxwell/vote_blank

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