Wikipedia-l May 2005

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Re: [WikiEN-l] Article rating topics - speak now!
by Magnus Manske 27 May '05

27 May '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would like to use this opportunity to ask developers with some time on their hands (yes, I know) to help me with the boring but necessary fine-tuning of the feature: * There's no restriction on who can edit a topic now. Should be limited to sysops or something * There's no pretty text header on the validation pages * Should the table design be changed (regarding index)? The list goes on. You know the drill :-) Magnus David Gerard schrieb: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics > > The article rating feature is going live in 1.5. > > SUMMARY: Articles will be rateable on various attributes. All ratings > are public and attributed, just like edits are. We'll be taking > ratings from anons as well as logged-in users, since our readers > vastly outnumber our editors. We're explicitly not doing anything with > the data, so if 10,000 anons rate [[Image:Autofellatio.jpg]] the best > article ever then it doesn't matter. For further detail, see recent > extensive thread on wikipedia-l, and go to http://test.leuksman.com/ > using the Monobook skin and click on the 'Validate' tab. > > Now, the point of the link at the top of this message is that we > haven't decided what attributes we'll be rating on. We need a good > selection and discussion of them. And we need it soon - 1.5 is > supposed to be rolled out early June. Presumably there will be a vote, > or maybe Magnus will just pick the ones he likes. Or I will. Or > something. > > I particularly want to hear from academic researchers interested in > Wikipedia - you folk will LOVE this data. What things would you > particularly like to see reader/editor ratings of? > > Also read about the feature and anticipated possible problems: > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Article_validation_feature > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Article_validation_possible_problems > > > - d. > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFClhwACZKBJbEFcz0RAmdnAJ4oV1O0MlH8SuR+BVtPb6zJzR3EKQCeMxCy kQ14SjgYP+E4UKRv1KWY5rA= =Auod -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Jimbo interview on NPR Friday?
by Christopher Mahan 26 May '05

26 May '05

Let's not assume that the US is "condescending" to its poor and immigrant communities by providing other-than-english media. The mayor of Los Angeles is Antonio Villaraigosa, and Los Angeles, with 3.6 million people (2000) eclipses Paris France's 2.1 million (1999). The greater Los Angeles metropolitan area is the second largest hispanic metropolis in the world after Mexico City. Heck, the building over from ours houses the Univision Music group (plenty of fine-looking people walking in that parking lot at lunch time, let me assure you) Chris Mahan 818.943.1850 cell chris_mahan(a)yahoo.com chris.mahan(a)gmail.com http://www.christophermahan.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Jimbo interview on NPR Friday?
by Christopher Mahan 26 May '05

26 May '05

Come to Los Angeles, You'll see newspapers in dozens of languages. My wife gets the Rafu Shimpo, a japanese newspaper in Japanese made in Los Angeles, based in Los Angeles, with Los Angeles editors, writers. On the radio, 106.5 FM (I think, is a vietnamese station...) You'll also notice that governmental notices (public hearings, regulatory announcements, official city web sites) offer many languages, such as Mandarin, Cantonese, Armenian, Arabic, Japanese, Spanish, Portugese, Thai... the list goes on. You'll see the EU translating for other EU languages, but unless things have changes, I would be surprised to see arabic, thai, or farsi on official notices. --- David Monniaux <David.Monniaux(a)ens.fr> wrote: > > > Not true. We (the USA) lack an *official* national language. > Depending > > on the state, 1-5 languages are used. Compare to the EU. > > Come on. All official sites, all political debates, all major news > etc. > are in English. Can a latino legislator do a speech in Spanish in > the > Capitol US? I doubt so; at least, I doubt it could happen in > practice. > > Compare to multilingual European countries like Belgium or > Switzerland. > > I mean, radios, newspapers etc. for immigrant communities also > exist in > Europe. Go to Paris, you'll see Chinese and Arabic newspapers, > Arabic > radios. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > Chris Mahan 818.943.1850 cell chris_mahan(a)yahoo.com chris.mahan(a)gmail.com http://www.christophermahan.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Article rating topics - speak now!
by David Gerard 26 May '05

26 May '05

(also sent to wikien-l) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/De_Validierungsthemen The article rating feature is going live in 1.5. SUMMARY: Articles will be rateable on various attributes. All ratings are public and attributed, just like edits are. We'll be taking ratings from anons as well as logged-in users, since our readers vastly outnumber our editors. We're explicitly not doing anything with the data, so if 10,000 anons rate [[Image:Autofellatio.jpg]] the best article ever then it doesn't matter. For further detail, see recent extensive thread on wikipedia-l, and go to http://test.leuksman.com/ using the Monobook skin and click on the 'Validate' tab. Now, the point of the link at the top of this message is that we haven't decided what attributes we'll be rating on. We need a good selection and discussion of them. And we need it soon - 1.5 is supposed to be rolled out early June. Presumably there will be a vote, or maybe Magnus will just pick the ones he likes. Or I will. Or something. I particularly want to hear from academic researchers interested in Wikipedia - you folk will LOVE this data. What things would you particularly like to see reader/editor ratings of? Also read about the feature and anticipated possible problems: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Article_validation_feature http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Article_validation_possible_problems - d. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: Jimbo interview on NPR Friday?
by Michael Snow 26 May '05

26 May '05

Anthere wrote: > The issue is more that english is our lingua franca, and that any > report in "english" is beneficial to ALL of us. The best proof of this > is that David posted this here. Not on wikien-l... > > French, Germans etc... rarely mention their own interviews HERE on > wikipedia-l... in short, an article, a show, in english and especially > when Jimbo is in, will have a much larger audience. I would very much welcome it if our French, German, Chinese, Portuguese (etc.) editors posted more often to this list about media coverage, even if it's only in or about their language. No knowledge of English required. Keeping the day-to-day discussions about each language Wikipedia segregated on its own mailing list is generally a good thing, but when you have something special to share, share it. I think David posted this to the right place. --Michael Snow

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Izynews
by Anthere 26 May '05

26 May '05

Hi Just checking Nl contributors are reporting a problem in the Izynews website (which is a mirror of Wikipedia in nl, de and fr). In short, Izynews has strangely replaced nearly everywhere "wikipedia" by "encyclopedia", which result in rather strange articles such as " Encyclopédie est une encyclopédie libre , gratuite, universelle et multilingue, écrite par des volontaires et basée sur un site Web (http://fr.wikipedia.org en français ) utilisant la technologie wiki . Encyclopédie est financée et gérée par la Fondation Wikimedia . Ce nom se rapporte aussi au projet visant à construire l'encyclopédie. Unfortunately, that also means that at least for images, the credit is given to "encyclopedia" rather than "wikipedia". Besides, in nl, images display by default a gfdl licence, even when they are not. In de, license seem to be fine. In fr, images seem to be missing. I feel that a mail could be enough to fix this, but I can't help thinking I already know that name, and suspect we already had issues with them. However, I could not find someone who would remember. Have we already warned them about lack of compliance or not ? Anthere I already heard

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What I'm expecting about the validation/rating system (concrete example)
by Guillaume Blanchard 25 May '05

25 May '05

Hi all, Personally I give no importance to articles' quality average rating but I think this rating system may be useful for an other purpose. My principal concern is to offer to *those who want* a list of article version reviewed by persons in whom they trust. Here is a concrete example of what I would like to be able to do: For the Egyptology project, I would like to create an (informal) reviewers committee where each member gives information about his expertise level (professional, professor, autodidact, etc.). Members of this committee review all articles version they want like any other users. Then I would like to allow the readers to obtain the list of articles' versions corresponding to the criteria of their choice. For example, the list of versions that was rated more than 7/10 by Miss Foo and Mister Bar. A default search criterion may be versions that was rated more than 5/10 by any member of the committee. What do you think about that? Will the new rating system allow that? Aoineko

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Having listened to the radio show I heard something else ..
by Christopher Mahan 25 May '05

25 May '05

--- Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It is much more productive to show where to go next. > > The crux is that the mentioning of sources make a Wikipedia article > > credible. It does not point where to go for further research or > information. To me this is distinctly different and it is much more > > important that we encourage people to learn more. > Amen. Chris Mahan 818.943.1850 cell chris_mahan(a)yahoo.com chris.mahan(a)gmail.com http://www.christophermahan.com/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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HMSO Crown copyright FOIA Request
by David Newton 25 May '05

25 May '05

It has long been nagging me about the policy of HMSO with respect to Crown copyright material outside of the UK. Inside the UK the position is clear: published material from 1954 or earlier is out of copyright as it was published over 50 years ago. Outside the UK the position of Crown copyright material has long been ambiguous. I therefore sent a Freedom of Information Act request to the Office for Public Sector Information (what HMSO has changed its name to) requesting clarification of the length of copyright for published Crown copyright material outside the UK. I received the following reply from their Information Policy Adviser: "Dear David, Thank you for your email enquiry dated May 23rd, 2005. Crown copyright protection in published material lasts for fifty years from the end of the year in which the material was first published. Therefore, to use your example, material published in 1954, and any Crown copyright material published before that date, would now be out of copyright, and may be freely reproduced throughout the world. I hope this information will be helpful to you, but if you have any further questions please feel free to get in touch with me again." So, it appears that Crown copyright material that has been published in 1954 or earlier is considered public domain worldwide by OPSI and is thus fair game for the Wikipedia to use. David Newton

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Is there any validation of Wikipedia information?
by Ken Dietz 25 May '05

25 May '05

I can see from all the email threads that this is a hot topic, and I don't mean to add to it. But I am wondering if there is any effort put in to verifying the accuracy of public-submitted articles. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

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