I'm not sure about this 'one wiki per language.' To me, the practice seems
to be more on the order of 'one language per written form.'
Identifying a written statement as being, say, English is much different
from identifying a spoken statement as being English. Any speaker of English
who can read will identify this e-mail as being written in English. An
American (or a Briton? I can never remember which does what) might be
somewhat surprised at the fact that I spelled "practice" in the first line
with a penultimate C rather than S, but this will not prevent the text from
being recognized as written English. Even if I were to throw in a bunch of
detail about how I went to the dep for a two-four and then went and got the
bumf for my carte-soleil, it will be recognized as written English, albeit
with a bunch of words thrown in that they don't recognize and will have to
have explained.
In the case of Wikipedia, an expression that gives others pause may be
defended quite simply. For example, on the fr:wiki, someone changed my
discussion of Montreal's "village gai" to read "village gay," which would be
standard in France. I simply reverted the change and noted that in Canada,
we write "gai" for this meaning, and this was relevant since we were talking
of a Canadian toponym.
Note here that it is standard written usage that is at issue: a Quebecer who
writes "gai" for "gay" will nevertheless not attempt to write encyclopedia
articles as "L'Village gai c'est quet'part où on s'en va pour êt' su'l party
pis tenter de pogner, viarge..." Non-standard written forms that attempt to
closely mimic English speech will, paradoxically, *not be recognized as
written English.'Fi ruyt luy hlis, it is certainly a representation of a
form of English, but it will not be viewed as written English, and on the
English Wikipedia will be reverted.
What does this all mean? I disagree with Mark where he says that highly
nonstandard writing should not be reverted simply because it is English. The
medium of en:wiki is not English meaning 'anything produced by an English
speaker'; it is English meaning 'English written according to one of the
prevailing standards for written English.' That's what's usually meant when
"written English" is said. I don't think there's anything wrong with this,
as this will be what is, in general, expected by someone who sets out to
read something in English. His example is English, but it's not "written
English."
If it were to be the case that some form of English were to acquire a
written form other than standard English, such that there was a demand for a
Wikipedia in that written form, I doubt there would be any difficulty in
creating it. AAVE, although a highly distinctive and well-defined form of
English, does not, in general, have a written form: a speaker of AAVE who
wishes to write in the standard register will use standard English to do so.
If transcribed AAVE were to come into use as a common medium of written
exchange in the standard register, I would support an AAVE wikipedia.
I'm speaking here, by the way, of lects that are agreed upon to be
dialects -- i.e. ones in which the speakers agree that they are speakers of
the broader language. This doesn't apply if the speakers believe their
language to be distinct -- AFAIK, the case of Scots -- or of independent
languages that don't have a long-standing written form or literary
translation and are therefore recorded as transcribed speech. In either type
of case I would support a wikipedia.
There obviously isn't a one-size-fits-all solution. In general, though, the
problem is self-regulating: a speaker of a dialect without an independent
written form will generally choose to write in the standard form, or if not
the writing will be altered to be in the standard if it cannot be defended
contextually; and only written forms of some kind will be able to form
independent wikipedias.
Matt
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Hello all,
I was wondering if it were possible to have a user account
setting where I set the date to either mm-dd-yyyy or dd/mm/yyyy, and the
dates within articles show up that way across the wiki. Some prefer one
way, others prefer the other way.
Thanks,
James
Larry Sanger has again written at length about the history of Wikipedia
in two articles posted on Slashdot.
Part I : http://features.slashdot.org/features/05/04/18/164213.shtml?tid=95
Part II :
http://features.slashdot.org/features/05/04/19/1746205.shtml?tid=95&tid=149…
Some blogworld commentary is at
http://www.corante.com/many/archives/2005/04/18/sanger_on_wikipedia.php
- including a follow-up by Sanger, giving his take on the "was he or
wasn't he the co-founder" debate, in particular
"I was virtually always referred to as a co-founder until last year.
What has changed?
Wikipedia was my idea (in the very robust sense explained in my memoir),
its main founding principles were in large part mine and enforced by me,
and I did more than anyone to organize it. It simply would not have
existed if I had started it, indeed while being employed by Jimmy. It
was on that basis that I was for several years credibly and repeatedly
called "co-founder" of the project.
The fact that I was Jimmy's employee, which I freely admit, does not
mean I was not also a co-founder of the project.
Until last year, again, this was my honorific, and until this year,
nobody has bothered questioning it. I wonder why."
Pete