Mark Williamson dixit:
>Anthere,
>
>Remember that, so far as we have been able to tell, there _is_ a
>disproportionate majority of male Wikimedia project users...
>
>I tend to make a guess based on the username, and sometimes the result
>is bizzarre. If you consider it, most people have in their mind a
>register of names which belong to people, and which are usually for
>boys and which are for girls.
>
>Names such as "Anthere", "Aphaia", "Eloquence", "Maverick", "Dori",
>"The Epopt", "HaafLimbo", "Guaka", "Cicero", and the like, I judge
>based on existing data which can have odd results since none or only a
>couple of these names are already in my personal register.
>
>"Anthere" I judged as a man (however if in the future I meet somebody
>with the screenname "Zinthere" I will probably judge them as a woman),
>"Aphaia" as a woman, "Eloquence" as a woman, "Maverick" as a man,
>"Dori" as a woman ("Dori" is the name of a female fish in a movie I
>saw so this one was not without precedent), "The Epopt" as a man,
>"HaafLimbo" as a man, "Guaka" as a man, and "Cicero" as a man.
Thanks, Mark. And sorry for causing headache, Anthere... Btw, Cicero is a
woman, though she herself agrees her nick name suggests the opposite.
Wouter
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[sent to wikien-l and wikimedia-l]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics#Consolidated_proposal
This is a fantastic piece of work from [[User:Beland]], who has taken the
assorted rambling proposals elsewhere on that page and put them into a form
with half a chance of people bothering to fill it out sensibly.
The only problem I can see is whether people will bother filling in that
many questions. OTOH, this is the experimental phase. (What a useful excuse
that is ;-)
Since this is a very useful piece of work and saves others (e.g. me) from
doing the job of making sense of this stuf, you can assume the thing at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics#Response_page is more
or less what will be visible when people hit the tab marked "Validate" (or
"Rate this page" or translation thereof), at least on en:.
So please look through it and flag any serious problems you see with it
(other than sheer length) and if any attributes could be reasonably cut.
- d.
--- Timwi <timwi(a)gmx.net> wrote:
> There are only about 160 language spoken by more than a million.
Doh'
/me slaps forehead.
/me reminds himself to check wikipedia before pulling numbers out of
dark areas.
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I have received a private email that requested I make a private apology
to a board member for saying some things that incorrectly accused her of
certain behavior. I won't comment publicly on who sent me the email,
but I will address the matter publicly as concern regarding my public
behavior was expressed. I likewise will not comment on the specific
content of the email I was sent, but I will say that I agree my phrasing
and my targeting of my comments was less than constructive.
I seem to have accidentally blamed what I saw as a trend in behavior
from several people on one person. That was not my intent in any way,
and in fact most of that was not anything that one person did. I
apologize to her for my unintended use of her as proxy for the whole
trend, and to the list for making it visible to them.
Specifically, to Anthere:
I did not mean to suggest that you complained in any way about the US
public. The fact that my phrasing suggested you did is my fault, not
yours. As I already indicated, I effectively used you as a proxy for
others who have done exactly what I said, both in this recent thread
arising from the NPR interview and previously, but much of what I said
had nothing to do with your own actions. I should not have implied,
even by accident, that you ever said such things.
My response was made directly to Mark/Delirium as an expansion on my
agreement with some points he made, and not directly to Anthere. Mark's
email was a direct reply to an email of Anthere's, however, and the
implication that my intent was to single her out was an easy one to
make. What to my mind read like a general statement about criticisms of
American culture on the worldwide stage likely looked like an aimed
attack on Anthere's character, which was outside the range of my intent.
I shall take responsibility for the consequences of my negligence,
however, just as I would the consequences of my conscious actions.
In short, I apologize. I don't want to place anyone in the position of
appearing to accept blame for what they have not done, nor of having to
publicly correct me if I can correct myself.
I like to think I'm a reasonable guy. Sometimes, I guess that means
admitting my mistakes. This was certainly one of them.
--
Chad Perrin
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Hello,
Thank you for your efforts Ulrich. We appreciate.
Best regards
Florence Devouard
--- Ulrich Schwanitz <uschwanitz(a)izynews.com> wrote:
> Thank you for your note which we only received
> today. I apologize for the delayed response.
>
> > D'une part, vous remplacez � de nombreux endroits
> le
> > terme "Wikipedia" par "encyclopedie", ce qui d'une
> > part ne garantie pas correctement le respect de la
> > citation de la source...
>
> We are currently discussing this issue with
> respected members of the Dutch wikipedia community.
> Once we reach a consensus, we will implement across
> the different languages. We hope you will find this
> a satisfactory solution as well.
>
> > Le deuxi�me probl�me a trait avec la licence de
> nos
> > images. Contrairement au texte qui est toujours
> sous
> > GFDL, nos images peuvent �tre de diff�rentes
> licenses,
> > par domaine public ou variations des creative
> commons.
>
> We have tentatively implemented new description
> pages and presented them to the Dutch wikipedia
> community. So far, we have not heard any objections.
> Once the solution is generally accepted, we will
> implement across languages.
>
> Hope this addresses your concerns,
>
> Best regards,
> Ulrich Schwanitz
> for IzyNews
>
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Since we've been debating the treatment Wikipedia receives in the press
and whether its multilingual aspect is sufficiently emphasized, I
thought I would share this link from the Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&ci…
<http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&ci…>
The story is about an author whose Wikipedia biography was apparently
falsified, and the information "verified" by somebody impersonating the
author on Wikipedia. The Post is written in English, and does not
identify the Wikipedia language involved (the incident, it seems, took
place on the Hebrew Wikipedia).
I'm not sure if that makes people feel better or worse about the media's
assumptions regarding Wikipedia - it can cut both ways. On one hand,
they're definitely not assuming that people think Wikipedia is only in
English; but on the other hand, they're writing in English and not
bothering to let people know that Wikipedia exists in other languages.
--Michael Snow
Bonjour,
Nous sommes ravis que votre site utilise du contenu de
Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org/), l'encyclop�die
libre, en n�erlandais, fran�ais et allemand.
Toutefois, nous aimerions signaler que lorsque vous
utilisez du mat�riel provenant de Wikipedia, il est
n�cessaire de citer d'une part la source et d'autre
part la licence.
Nous ne doutons pas de votre bonne volont�, puisqu'�
de multiples endroits, le lien vers wikipedia, vers la
foundation, vers l'historique des articles sont
utilis�s.
Nous aimerions cependant signaler deux petits
probl�mes.
D'une part, vous remplacez � de nombreux endroits le
terme "Wikipedia" par "encyclopedie", ce qui d'une
part ne garantie pas correctement le respect de la
citation de la source...
exemple :
*http://encyclopedie.izynews.be/nl/lexImpressum.htm
Mais en plus aboutit � des articles inexacts.
exemple :
*http://encyclopedie.izynews.be/fr/lexw.aspx?doc=Wikipedia
Le deuxi�me probl�me a trait avec la licence de nos
images. Contrairement au texte qui est toujours sous
GFDL, nos images peuvent �tre de diff�rentes licenses,
par domaine public ou variations des creative commons.
Or, vous indiquez toujours la GFDL.
Examples :
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image%3ACopenhagen_statue_of_Absalon.jpghttp://lexicon.izynews.be/nl/lexw.aspx?doc=Afbeelding%3aCopenhagen%20statue…
Serait il possible que vous corrigiez ces deux
probl�mes ?
Merci encore d'utiliser notre contenu.
En vous remerciant par avance de votre attention.
Florence Devouard
VP Wikimedia Foundation
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--- David Gerard <fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au> wrote:
> Yep. There's nothing wrong with subarticles of subarticles.
Exactly. Assuming all readers need to know everything about about a topic and
thus having all that detail in one article is a great disservice. The mass
majority of readers want some level of summary and the option to explore sub
topics in more detail in other articles. Thus the use of summary style.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Summary_style
-- mav
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Well Anthere, take my advice: lay it aside. You know how nationalist some
Americans are. Any bright straight thinker will dismiss all this as
nonsense. Personally I can only urge you to stay with us. But a wikiholiday
of one week isn't so bad... I recently took one of a few days myself. If you
are really upset, then take some rest and return with new enthousiasm after
one week or so - bet they've missed you badly then!
Wouter
Anthere wrote:
>It may not be entirely clear, but I am currently
>nearly on a wikivacation and seriously reconsidering
>my possibly candidacy to the board.
>
>Just for trying to raise an issue, I have been treated
>as an american-basher.
>
>I find that plain non acceptable.
>
>I have been living in the USA and loved it. My son was
>american before being french. My two kids started
>learning english while 5 years old (usually 11 in
>France).
>I joined an english speaking project with no other
>languages more than 3 years ago. I was recently told I
>was amongst the top 100 biggest contributors.
>In the past year, I have been spending an absolutely
>incredible number of hours on an american foundation,
>besides my own job which I have to keep to survive,
>and besides my family life.
>I do this entirely as a volunteer, it actually costs
>me money because the Foundation does not reimburse all
>costs, while we currently pay 2 and soon 3 american
>employees, who are the only ones to benefit from the
>whole system.
>On the english wikipedia, I have been writting many
>articles, helped in the mediation committee and
>generally never hesitated helping anyone who was
>asking for it.
>And yes, I trusted Mav (an american) to take care of
>finance, Danny (am american again) to take care of
>grants
>And so on...
>
>All this for the shit I heard in the past days on
>wikipedia-l? That I am an american basher ? That I am
>unable to make the difference between a bad journalist
>and the whole american people ? I have been insulted
>by a whole lot of comments of what I supposingly
>believe the american people to be, and which is so
>afar from my own beliefs that I am extremely pained by
>all this.
>
>What pains me more than anything, is that but for
>Jimbo, no one took a single second to say it was not
>true, that I was able to make the difference.
>
>So, forgive me, but right now, I am not in a good
>mood.
>Volunteer is good, but being insulted when you
>volunteer many hours a day for more than 3 years, with
>no apologies afterwards is just plain an error. I
>think I am generally polite enough to people so that I
>can make a criticism to a professional group without
>being killed by the whole nation to whom this group
>belong.
>
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I suggest that we allow ratings by anonymous users (IP numbers), at least
in 1.5.
Reasons for this:
* we've always worked by leaving things as open as possible and only
restricting as needed;
* we're explicitly not using the data for anything important yet, so if ten
thousand rating spammers put [[Image:Autofellatio.jpg]] top marks for
everything, it won't actually affect anything;
* the raw data will be of great interest to people, and as wide as possible
is good. (I can see the academics studying Wikipedia slavering for the
ratings data tarball ;-)
- d.
