Wikipedia-l May 2005

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One last word about user genders (was:sco/fiu-vro in danger..)
by Wouter Steenbeek 30 May '05

30 May '05

Mark Williamson dixit: >Anthere, > >Remember that, so far as we have been able to tell, there _is_ a >disproportionate majority of male Wikimedia project users... > >I tend to make a guess based on the username, and sometimes the result >is bizzarre. If you consider it, most people have in their mind a >register of names which belong to people, and which are usually for >boys and which are for girls. > >Names such as "Anthere", "Aphaia", "Eloquence", "Maverick", "Dori", >"The Epopt", "HaafLimbo", "Guaka", "Cicero", and the like, I judge >based on existing data which can have odd results since none or only a >couple of these names are already in my personal register. > >"Anthere" I judged as a man (however if in the future I meet somebody >with the screenname "Zinthere" I will probably judge them as a woman), >"Aphaia" as a woman, "Eloquence" as a woman, "Maverick" as a man, >"Dori" as a woman ("Dori" is the name of a female fish in a movie I >saw so this one was not without precedent), "The Epopt" as a man, >"HaafLimbo" as a man, "Guaka" as a man, and "Cicero" as a man. Thanks, Mark. And sorry for causing headache, Anthere... Btw, Cicero is a woman, though she herself agrees her nick name suggests the opposite. Wouter _________________________________________________________________ Gebruik MSN Webmessenger op je werk en op school http://webmessenger.msn.com/

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Article rating topics - consolidated form
by David Gerard 30 May '05

30 May '05

[sent to wikien-l and wikimedia-l] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics#Consolidated_proposal This is a fantastic piece of work from [[User:Beland]], who has taken the assorted rambling proposals elsewhere on that page and put them into a form with half a chance of people bothering to fill it out sensibly. The only problem I can see is whether people will bother filling in that many questions. OTOH, this is the experimental phase. (What a useful excuse that is ;-) Since this is a very useful piece of work and saves others (e.g. me) from doing the job of making sense of this stuf, you can assume the thing at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/En_validation_topics#Response_page is more or less what will be visible when people hit the tab marked "Validate" (or "Rate this page" or translation thereof), at least on en:. So please look through it and flag any serious problems you see with it (other than sheer length) and if any attributes could be reasonably cut. - d.

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Jimbo interview on NPR Friday?
by Christopher Mahan 30 May '05

30 May '05

--- Timwi <timwi(a)gmx.net> wrote: > There are only about 160 language spoken by more than a million. Doh' /me slaps forehead. /me reminds himself to check wikipedia before pulling numbers out of dark areas. Chris Mahan 818.943.1850 cell chris_mahan(a)yahoo.com chris.mahan(a)gmail.com http://www.christophermahan.com/ __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html

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my previous emails
by Chad Perrin 30 May '05

30 May '05

I have received a private email that requested I make a private apology to a board member for saying some things that incorrectly accused her of certain behavior. I won't comment publicly on who sent me the email, but I will address the matter publicly as concern regarding my public behavior was expressed. I likewise will not comment on the specific content of the email I was sent, but I will say that I agree my phrasing and my targeting of my comments was less than constructive. I seem to have accidentally blamed what I saw as a trend in behavior from several people on one person. That was not my intent in any way, and in fact most of that was not anything that one person did. I apologize to her for my unintended use of her as proxy for the whole trend, and to the list for making it visible to them. Specifically, to Anthere: I did not mean to suggest that you complained in any way about the US public. The fact that my phrasing suggested you did is my fault, not yours. As I already indicated, I effectively used you as a proxy for others who have done exactly what I said, both in this recent thread arising from the NPR interview and previously, but much of what I said had nothing to do with your own actions. I should not have implied, even by accident, that you ever said such things. My response was made directly to Mark/Delirium as an expansion on my agreement with some points he made, and not directly to Anthere. Mark's email was a direct reply to an email of Anthere's, however, and the implication that my intent was to single her out was an easy one to make. What to my mind read like a general statement about criticisms of American culture on the worldwide stage likely looked like an aimed attack on Anthere's character, which was outside the range of my intent. I shall take responsibility for the consequences of my negligence, however, just as I would the consequences of my conscious actions. In short, I apologize. I don't want to place anyone in the position of appearing to accept blame for what they have not done, nor of having to publicly correct me if I can correct myself. I like to think I'm a reasonable guy. Sometimes, I guess that means admitting my mistakes. This was certainly one of them. -- Chad Perrin [ CCD CopyWrite | http://ccd.apotheon.org ]

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Probl�me de copyright dans l'usage de vos sources Wikipedia
by Anthere 30 May '05

30 May '05

Hello, Thank you for your efforts Ulrich. We appreciate. Best regards Florence Devouard --- Ulrich Schwanitz <uschwanitz(a)izynews.com> wrote: > Thank you for your note which we only received > today. I apologize for the delayed response. > > > D'une part, vous remplacez � de nombreux endroits > le > > terme "Wikipedia" par "encyclopedie", ce qui d'une > > part ne garantie pas correctement le respect de la > > citation de la source... > > We are currently discussing this issue with > respected members of the Dutch wikipedia community. > Once we reach a consensus, we will implement across > the different languages. We hope you will find this > a satisfactory solution as well. > > > Le deuxi�me probl�me a trait avec la licence de > nos > > images. Contrairement au texte qui est toujours > sous > > GFDL, nos images peuvent �tre de diff�rentes > licenses, > > par domaine public ou variations des creative > commons. > > We have tentatively implemented new description > pages and presented them to the Dutch wikipedia > community. So far, we have not heard any objections. > Once the solution is generally accepted, we will > implement across languages. > > Hope this addresses your concerns, > > Best regards, > Ulrich Schwanitz > for IzyNews > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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More on multilingualism and the press
by Michael Snow 30 May '05

30 May '05

Since we've been debating the treatment Wikipedia receives in the press and whether its multilingual aspect is sufficiently emphasized, I thought I would share this link from the Jerusalem Post: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&ci… <http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&ci…> The story is about an author whose Wikipedia biography was apparently falsified, and the information "verified" by somebody impersonating the author on Wikipedia. The Post is written in English, and does not identify the Wikipedia language involved (the incident, it seems, took place on the Hebrew Wikipedia). I'm not sure if that makes people feel better or worse about the media's assumptions regarding Wikipedia - it can cut both ways. On one hand, they're definitely not assuming that people think Wikipedia is only in English; but on the other hand, they're writing in English and not bothering to let people know that Wikipedia exists in other languages. --Michael Snow

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Problème de copyright dans l'usage de vos sources Wikipedia
by Anthere 29 May '05

29 May '05

Bonjour, Nous sommes ravis que votre site utilise du contenu de Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org/), l'encyclop�die libre, en n�erlandais, fran�ais et allemand. Toutefois, nous aimerions signaler que lorsque vous utilisez du mat�riel provenant de Wikipedia, il est n�cessaire de citer d'une part la source et d'autre part la licence. Nous ne doutons pas de votre bonne volont�, puisqu'� de multiples endroits, le lien vers wikipedia, vers la foundation, vers l'historique des articles sont utilis�s. Nous aimerions cependant signaler deux petits probl�mes. D'une part, vous remplacez � de nombreux endroits le terme "Wikipedia" par "encyclopedie", ce qui d'une part ne garantie pas correctement le respect de la citation de la source... exemple : *http://encyclopedie.izynews.be/nl/lexImpressum.htm Mais en plus aboutit � des articles inexacts. exemple : *http://encyclopedie.izynews.be/fr/lexw.aspx?doc=Wikipedia Le deuxi�me probl�me a trait avec la licence de nos images. Contrairement au texte qui est toujours sous GFDL, nos images peuvent �tre de diff�rentes licenses, par domaine public ou variations des creative commons. Or, vous indiquez toujours la GFDL. Examples : http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image%3ACopenhagen_statue_of_Absalon.jpg http://lexicon.izynews.be/nl/lexw.aspx?doc=Afbeelding%3aCopenhagen%20statue… Serait il possible que vous corrigiez ces deux probl�mes ? Merci encore d'utiliser notre contenu. En vous remerciant par avance de votre attention. Florence Devouard VP Wikimedia Foundation __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Wikipedia and detail
by Daniel Mayer 29 May '05

29 May '05

--- David Gerard <fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au> wrote: > Yep. There's nothing wrong with subarticles of subarticles. Exactly. Assuming all readers need to know everything about about a topic and thus having all that detail in one article is a great disservice. The mass majority of readers want some level of summary and the option to explore sub topics in more detail in other articles. Thus the use of summary style. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Summary_style -- mav __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: OFF
by Wouter Steenbeek 29 May '05

29 May '05

Well Anthere, take my advice: lay it aside. You know how nationalist some Americans are. Any bright straight thinker will dismiss all this as nonsense. Personally I can only urge you to stay with us. But a wikiholiday of one week isn't so bad... I recently took one of a few days myself. If you are really upset, then take some rest and return with new enthousiasm after one week or so - bet they've missed you badly then! Wouter Anthere wrote: >It may not be entirely clear, but I am currently >nearly on a wikivacation and seriously reconsidering >my possibly candidacy to the board. > >Just for trying to raise an issue, I have been treated >as an american-basher. > >I find that plain non acceptable. > >I have been living in the USA and loved it. My son was >american before being french. My two kids started >learning english while 5 years old (usually 11 in >France). >I joined an english speaking project with no other >languages more than 3 years ago. I was recently told I >was amongst the top 100 biggest contributors. >In the past year, I have been spending an absolutely >incredible number of hours on an american foundation, >besides my own job which I have to keep to survive, >and besides my family life. >I do this entirely as a volunteer, it actually costs >me money because the Foundation does not reimburse all >costs, while we currently pay 2 and soon 3 american >employees, who are the only ones to benefit from the >whole system. >On the english wikipedia, I have been writting many >articles, helped in the mediation committee and >generally never hesitated helping anyone who was >asking for it. >And yes, I trusted Mav (an american) to take care of >finance, Danny (am american again) to take care of >grants >And so on... > >All this for the shit I heard in the past days on >wikipedia-l? That I am an american basher ? That I am >unable to make the difference between a bad journalist >and the whole american people ? I have been insulted >by a whole lot of comments of what I supposingly >believe the american people to be, and which is so >afar from my own beliefs that I am extremely pained by >all this. > >What pains me more than anything, is that but for >Jimbo, no one took a single second to say it was not >true, that I was able to make the difference. > >So, forgive me, but right now, I am not in a good >mood. >Volunteer is good, but being insulted when you >volunteer many hours a day for more than 3 years, with >no apologies afterwards is just plain an error. I >think I am generally polite enough to people so that I >can make a criticism to a professional group without >being killed by the whole nation to whom this group >belong. > >ant > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Speel online games via MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/

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Article validation: allow IP ratings for the raw data phase
by David Gerard 29 May '05

29 May '05

I suggest that we allow ratings by anonymous users (IP numbers), at least in 1.5. Reasons for this: * we've always worked by leaving things as open as possible and only restricting as needed; * we're explicitly not using the data for anything important yet, so if ten thousand rating spammers put [[Image:Autofellatio.jpg]] top marks for everything, it won't actually affect anything; * the raw data will be of great interest to people, and as wide as possible is good. (I can see the academics studying Wikipedia slavering for the ratings data tarball ;-) - d.

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