I have been talking about this since quite a while (although without any concrete proposal)... using Wikipedia's popularity to benefit Wiktionary.
Jimbo Wales showed up in IRC and I took the opportunity to talk with him about it. I had already discussed it on the IRC channel.
Here's a transcript of the chat
<pre>
<Hemanshu> hello
<jwales> Hello!
<Hemanshu> I was wondering if Wikipedia should incorporate links to Wiktionary in articles?
<Hemanshu> Wiktionary is really lacking interest
<jwales> It sounds like a reasonable concept to me.
<Hemanshu> we need to use Wikipedia's popularity to make Wiktionary more popular
<jwales> I agree with that.
<Hemanshu> good
<jwales> I can think of two ways...
<jwales> First, encourage more interwiki linking with wiktionary, somehow.
<jwales> Possibly even go so far as to have a bit of new markup.
<Hemanshu> yes
<Hemanshu> maybe we can have a small icon link next to words
<jwales> Second, we could put a link on every page of wikipedia, "Look for a definition of 'Article Title' in Wiktionary".
<Hemanshu> yeah
<jwales> That second one might generate resistance, though, because many many times the article title is not really a word that needs defining, per se.
<jwales> Take a look at this:
<jwales> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Japan
<jwales> just an example for us to brainstorm about.
<jwales> Now, that article has interlanguage links for 'fr' and 'ja' versions of the same topic.
<jwales> Perhaps a simple extension of the interlanguage syntax, but for definitions, would be sensible.
<Hemanshu> yeah I see
<Hemanshu> yes
<jwales> Here's a better brainstorm:
<Hemanshu> that would make it possible to link to definitions of article titles
<jwales> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cladistics
<Hemanshu> and that could be implemented really easily
<jwales> There are 4 interlanguage links there.
<jwales> We could have a new one, like:
<Hemanshu> being able to provide quicklinks to definitions of word used in the article could be more difficult
<jwales> [[definiton:paraphyletic]] could be the simple new markup.
<Hemanshu> yeah
<jwales> And that magically makes a a link, in the text at that point, to wiktionary.
<jwales> I would support something along those lines.
<jwales> Will you run this by wikipedia-l and wikitech-l?
<jwales> I'll make noises of joy.
<Hemanshu> :)
<jwales> Maybe it will excite someone and then it might happen.
<Hemanshu> I haven't joined the mailing list
<Hemanshu> I just have to send an email to?
<Hemanshu> wikipedia-1@?
<Hemanshu> can I post this conversation on the wiki?
<jwales> Yeah
<Hemanshu> ok
<jwales> Anyhow, talk to you later I'm going to have to go.
<Hemanshu> ok
<Hemanshu> nice talking
</pre>
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"Tim Starling" <t.starling(a)physics.unimelb.edu.au> schrieb:
> We're going to be upgrading the software on the live site to the current
> development version, over the next 24 hours or so. However, we won't be
> releasing a tarball just yet. Before we do that, we want to obtain
> translations for the new interface text, and also to fix a few
> user-friendliness issues with the installer. We'll probably upgrade the
> smaller wikis first, and do the English Wikipedia fairly late in the peace.
> There might be short periods of downtime during this process.
>
> A list of new features is at
> http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap
The status of categories is not clear on this page - is it not included,
or is it included but are you (meaning the developers) still working on
improving it?
Andre Engels
Hello People,
thanks for everyone who have offered help, who have helped and who have
given advise. This was the second time that we experienced such an attack,
and the attack took place as most of our sysops (located at UTC+8h) are
offline. I think we are also learning how to handle such things. And your
advices are very valuable for us. It's a pleasure and it's very moving to
get so much helps from so different places arround the world so fast. Thanks
anyway, this is a great community and I believe I can speak for all chinese
wikipedians that we are happy to be a member of it.
I want yet say one thing. My own oppinion about the deleteBot. I personally
don't like this ideal, because such a tool, powerful it is, could also used
to do great devastation, and one cannot expect that such lots of people
would be careful for all their live. So please let it unused and we would
contact the developers properly next time.
Wing.
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No, it's a new conlang (well not really a conlang) called the Modern
Egyptian Language. Is there any other language that has the abbreviation of
"EG"?
- Mamduh Shawqi
>From: Tim Starling <ts4294967296(a)hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
>To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org
>Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: I want to start a new language... with the
>code"eg" please.
>Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:54:17 +1000
>
>Prince of Egypt wrote:
>>I would like to start a new langauge please. Can anyone help me with this?
>>the code i want is "eg". it doesnt exist now in the list of available
>>languages.
>>
>>yours,
>>Mamduh Shawqi
>>
>
>Do you want Ancient Egyptian? That would be "egy", not "eg" according to
>ISO 639.
>
>-- Tim Starling
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Hello,
in the last two days the chinese wiki is under massive attack. The attacker
uses a bot and various IP-adresses. We have problem to block all the
adresses and we are at the moment also short on person to remove all the
devastations. At the moment the attacker creates lots of new articles with
the following content: (???????????????????????????????????) DeleteMeShizhao
Can someone help?
Sorry this is really an emergency. Thanks.
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There are two problems with Brion's proposal:
1.If conlang wikipedias get seperated, we won't have inter-language links connecting with them. However, inter-language links are essential for the growth of Wikipedia (for many people look at equivalent articles in other languages before creating/editing in their language, and this can also be done with conlangs).
Or is there a way keeping up inter-language links despite the fact it is a seperate project? But if so, wouldn't this defy the point of seperating them in the first place
2.The distinction between "old" conlangs and "new" conlangs is arbitrary for deciding whether a languge should be allowed in Wikipedia or not. Some old conlangs, like Ro, are less used than Toki Pona. Hence my previous proposal to measure whether a language is "actually used for communication" instead of measuring its age.
My proposal:
1.Define "actually used for communication" to mean that some people who couldn't communicate otherwise use it for actual communication (i.e. not just talking about the language itself).
2.Seperate the wikipedias of not actually used conlangs from the main project, and allow for the possibility of inter-language links, but these won't be shown unless a user chooses "conlang-links on" on his Preferences. I hope something like this is technically possible.
Maybe one could also use the same side-project for not actually used historical languages (like Ancient Egiptian, Gotic etc., but not Latin, because it is "actually used").
Any opinions?
Marcos.
>
>In the en:wiktionary there are already words in languages like
>Klingon. (check language for instance).
>
>Certainly if people are concerned about "sillines", it looks
>even more silly in wiktionary where the Klingon et al words
>are not in a seperate space.
>
>On the nl:wiktionary there are two problems:
>* www.nl.wiktionary.org will give you a "technical problems"
>page while it can be found on nl.wiktionary.org
I dont think www.nl.wiktionary.org is set somewhere.
>*It is not possible to create an article with an hebrew title.
>(this is possible on the en:wiktionary.
nl.wiktionary is in utf-8 ?
Shaihulud
In the en:wiktionary there are already words in languages like Klingon. (check language for instance).
Certainly if people are concerned about "sillines", it looks even more silly in wiktionary where the Klingon et al words are not in a seperate space.
On the nl:wiktionary there are two problems:
* www.nl.wiktionary.org will give you a "technical problems" page while it can be found on nl.wiktionary.org
*It is not possible to create an article with an hebrew title. (this is possible on the en:wiktionary.
Thanks,
Gerard