Hello fellow Wikipedians,
This is my first posting to this mailing list; my name is André and in
the Wikipedias you might either know me as N-true or André Müller.
Okay, well... you created the Klingon Wikipedia yesterday. Today you
suspended it again. I dont quite understand why you did the latter. The
Wikipedia project is to create an encyclopedia in many languages. Also
artificial are included, such as Esperanto, Interlingua and Volapük.
Even dead languages like Latin or Sanskrit (which remains unused
though). Theres even a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, another artificial
language even known to much fewer people than Klingon, for instance. I
dont see how Toki Pona stayed up and Klingon didnt? If this is because
you think thered be too few contribuents, youre wrong therell be
many enough. If its because the Wikipedia might lose credibility when
it adds silly languages no. The Klingon language community is a
growing one, just like the one of Toki Pona. I dont think this would
offend anyone out there. Wikipedia might just get some more famous. And
speaking about credibility... I dont know if some validated languages
are more realistic than Klingon; theres Plattdüütsch, which is indeed
considered a language, but it doesnt have a orthographic norm its
written as you speak it, and thus may differ from speaker to speaker.
As you have probably seen, I had already started to work on the Klingon
Wikipedia. Dont get me wrong Im not trying to make you suspend
Plattdüütsch or Toki Pona. Its just that I and many other Klingon
speakers/learners and future contribuents would like to have our
"Ralesk Ne'vennoyx" <ralesk(a)livejournal.com> schrieb:
> Timwi wrote:
> > If, as I understand it, Grin is a sysop on HU, then "ordinary users" are
> > pretty much helpless against him.
> It is correct what you say.
I would not say that that is true. Sysops should use restraint in
using their sysop-powers in such a matter. If he does so, being
a sysop does not put him above non-sysop regulars. Whatever the
situation is, the first thing to do would be to discuss this with
Grin, and with the other people on the Hungarian Wikipedia. If
you have tried this and failed, please at least give us an overview
of who is saying what, and do give Grin the possibility to react to
All pages with the new template (containing '<body class="ns-4">' without
the single quotes) have content that is invisible under IE5 running under
the Mac Classic OS, and possibly other OS'es as well.
This means that, when I look up, for example,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X I can see only the template, but
nothing whatever referring to Malcolm X -- I have to view the HTML source to
read even a cumbersome version of that. This applies to the Wikipedia:About
page as well as all pages appearing as ordinary topics under the /wiki/
I'm sure it's obvious, but I'll say it anyway: fancy style sheets that
render pages unreadable on some common browser-OS combinations are a really,
really bad idea, especially for an open-source, user-editable knowledge
Please, let's do something to fix this!!!
Thank you in advance.
P.S. Apologies if this should have been addressed elsewhere, but the choices
of where to send on the mailing lists are, as William Peter Blatty would put
it, "too numerous to enumerate."
"Marcos Cramer" <marcos.cramer(a)balliol.oxford.ac.uk> schrieb:
> I want to translate the interface of the Swahili interface, and for this purpose have already translated parts of LanguageSw.php. However, I don't know how I get it uploaded. Can someone please clarify to me, what I have to do in order to get the translation uploaded, or where I should ask for help.
> Or is it possible to translate the interface using the MediaWiki namespaces? How do I edit the protected pages though?
I don't really know what is the preferred way to work with the language file,
but: Yes, you can do it with the MediaWiki namespace (with a few exceptions).
To edit the protected pages, you must become a sysop on the Swahili Wikipedia.
I want to translate the interface of the Swahili interface, and for this purpose have already translated parts of LanguageSw.php. However, I don't know how I get it uploaded. Can someone please clarify to me, what I have to do in order to get the translation uploaded, or where I should ask for help.
Or is it possible to translate the interface using the MediaWiki namespaces? How do I edit the protected pages though?
"Jimmy Wales" <jwales(a)bomis.com> schrieb:
> My general feeling is that unless there's some very good reason not to
> have a particular language, we should have it. Some good reasons that
> I can think of: (1) the language is a joke or vanity project (2) the
> language is just a slight change of dialect from some other language.
> For example, it would be bad to have a Klingon Wikipedia, I think. It
> would be bad to have separate sites for British and American English.
> And finally, I think that it's very very convenient for us to avoid
> arguments about this by reference to ISO standards. We could, in some
> cases, make exceptions, but we should be cautious about doing so.
I have before proposed to go with ISO 639-2. Main rule for ISO 639-2 is
that there should be 50 different documents divided over at most 50
places. I would not put it as a hard rule, but I'd say that for languages
outside ISO 639-2, the onus is with the person wanting to add it to give
reasons, while for languages within, the onus is with those who want to
refrain from adding it.
Jimmy Wales wrote:
> 3. I do not know the time frame for ordering this stuff, but I
> will find out.
Orders must be received by June 11th. That is, that's when they need
to receive them. Due to my own time constraints (leaving for Europe
next week), I need firm commitments by Thursday midnight at the latest,
i.e. I will be making the order on Friday.
recently an user use an offensive username to post offensive aritcals
in Chinese Wikipedia, we hold a vote to force him to change his
username, and we gain a consensus of that, but the porblem is that how
can we change his name, our administrators have no privilege to use
SQL to do that. Who can give us help?