After a question being asked on the English Wikipedia's Village Pump about
video recently, I've sketched some thoughts about the topic on meta at
It's probably a rather long-winded way of getting to the bleeding obvious,
but even so I'd like some feedback, because in the longer term I'd like to
do a bit of home video making to improve the sport articles.
The only time an aircraft has too much fuel on board is when it is on fire.
-- Sir Charles Kingsford Smith
I have been thinking about starting an open content animal encyclopedia. I
would like to know if someone has any thoughts on what would be the best way
to integrate this with wikipedia.
donation(a)wikipedia.org is the correct email address to use.
I think that's all you need to know.
Tomorrow I will set up a web page on wikimedia.org (the foundation
website) with a variety of buttons and what-not to use, but there's no
reason you can't get started now if you like. At least initially, all
funds will go towards the new server(s) that I'm shopping for -- the
more you give, the more you get. :-)
Also, I'm talking to a few different merchant account processors, so
that we can get our own merchant account and save on fees. But via
PayPal, we can accept money already via credit card, and in U.S.,
Canadian, Euros, Pounds Sterling, and Yen.
Although it isn't as full global as I would like, Paypal is available
to people in the United States and 38 countries, including:
* Costa Rica
* Dominican Republic
* Hong Kong
* New Zealand
* South Korea
* United Kingdom
>I have been thinking about starting an open content animal encyclopedia. I
>would like to know if someone has any thoughts on what would be the best way
>to integrate this with wikipedia.
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of many different integrated encyclopedias. One
of those is an animal encyclopedia:
Anybody know the answer to this?
I asked a question on the Wikipedia talk:Nupedia_and_Wikipedia about whether
articles-in-progress on Nupedia qualify under the GFDL, or are they like the
Nupedia "Chalkboard". I also asked at the Wikipedia:Village pump but I got no
response (the question has since been moved to the Village pump archives).
Some of these articles have been languishing since 2001 and it would be nice
if it were possible to use some of them as a basis for articles (or at least
good stubs) right now. I searched the Nupedia website, mailing lists, history
etc. and there appears no mention whatsoever of the copyright or licensing
status of the articles-in-progress on Nupedia. I was hoping that you might
have some insight. Thanks. -- Lexor 02:21, 26 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Erik Zachte wrote:
>> So maybe we could open a Wikimedia Paypal account in several
>> Electronic transfer to a US Paypal account would be uneconomical due
>> high bank fees.
> I'm perfectly willing to do that, if that's the right thing to do, but
> my reading of the Paypal website doesn't suggest that I really need to
> do it. Is there something that I'm not understanding?
It has nothing to do with Paypal's policies.
Tranferring money through Paypal from Europe to US or vice versa is easy
and in my view Paypal's fee is reasonable compared to international
money orders/bank transfers.
My point was this: this only works for people who have a Paypal account
already or are willing to open an account just for this transaction.
Both groups are still small in Europe, as far as I can tell.
However a money transfer to any national bank account is free and a one
minute job, if and only if no borders are crossed (and cheaper and
easier within EU boundaries than outside). This is why I suggested to
have a local Paypal account in some countries.
Transferring money directly from Europe to the US Paypal account is
something most people will have no idea how to it in the first place and
some bank will charge a big fee before the money reaches Paypal. In fact
it would not make much sense to upload it to Paypal at all.
I checked one major bank they charge $10 for a money transfer outside
Europe, which would make someone think twice before donating say $20.
To summarize: local bank transaction to upload money to national Paypal
account, Paypal to ship money over the ocean. Maybe Germany would be a
good starter for a second Paypal account, lots of German wikipedians to
give it a go, then we can try if a bank transfer from say the
Netherlands to Germany is affordable (new EU rules will make it cheaper)
and easy to do.
Well, as I said to Jimbo earlier, I think we should use Networkforgood:
Although Jimbo pointed out that they charge 3%. (which is still less
than paypal). I told him I would feel more comfortable donating through
a service provided by a non-profit for non-profits. He said the more
ways to contribute the merrier, and that he would look into it.
[mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Brion Vibber
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5.57
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] paypal
Michael Becker wrote:
> Is paypal charging for transactions, or is it free since wikimedia is
> a non-profit? If they are taking a cut of donations, I would like to
> suggest we use another service which is made specifically for
> non-profits that doesn't take a cut of donations, and is free of
Do you know of one?
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Wikipedia-l mailing list
If there's interest in this, I can relay donations via PayPal from my
German bank account. I would however have to take some commission (5%?)
because of the manual labor involved, in addition to the PayPal fees.
It would be cheapest if Wikimedia itself could process credit card
payments directly, although I don't know how complex the necessary
software is. There are a lot of CC processing companies, but some of those
may end up being as expensive as PayPal.
> just an opinion
> I agree with Kat it may not be a very good idea to
> for money in a press release.
We should not ask for it, but we should subtly make
readers aware of
community fundraising process, so that those who
already use Wikipedia
occasionally and always wanted to give something back
and who read the
know that they now have the opportunity to do so.
The occasionnal reader, seing the PR in the press will
probably have the reaction to drop by. Then, he may
see a donation link quite well, if placed
appropriately on the main page. We can make it quite
proeminent during promotion time.
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