Walter Vermeir wrote:
>Jimmy Wales <jwales at bomis.com> wrote in
>news:20030821130355.B456 at joey.bomis.com:
>
> >
>>donation at wikipedia.org is the correct email
>>address to use.
>> >>
>
>
>PayPal is popular but you need a credit card. Those
are not very popular in
>Europe. Expensive, unsucre and not very usefull. Most
transactions are done
>by bank tranfer and a debet card.
> >
A few points:
-- Paypal does not require a credit card. You can
make direct bank
transfers as well.
-- Credit cards are not expensive -- they are entirely
free. I
certainly don't pay anything at all for any of mine
(and you don't pay
interest if you pay your bills on time either).
They're essentially the
same as a debit card, but more secure (if there's a
dispute with a
dishonest merchant, you don't pay until the dispute is
resolved, while
with a debit card they already have your money, and
you don't get it
back until the dispute is resolved -- also by law in
the US at least,
the consumer is only responsible for up to $50 of
credit card fraud).
-- In the US at least, most debit cards work through
the credit card
system as well. They're treated as debit, but you can
use them in a
credit card reader just fine.
---------
This is just the perfect example that customs are
different and that some have no awareness of that.
France is the country were credit cards are the most
used. Because we worked on the little electronic
device for security, and I think our cards are amongst
the most secure cards in the world.
Basically every adult has a credit card. Only very
young people and people with bank problems do not. I
got mine at 16. It is very very common system of
paiement. And very very few people use debit card.
That is just not customary, unless you are in the
situation indicated above. I got a debit card at 14.
This has a price, mind you. About 250 FF a year...that
is ... well...say 40 euros a year. I think I pay 7
euros per months for 2 cards and account support.
Not exactly free. I could go to the movie with that.
>In the euro-zone you can make a bank transfer from
one account to a other
>account in the euro-zone for the same price like a
local transfer. That is
>almost always free.
>
>Whit PayPal there are transcation costs and change
from currency costs.
>
>A Wikimedia euro bankaccount in euro-zone state can
be usefull for
>donations from Europe. No need for a credit card,
easy to do, no loss of
>mony; 1 euro donation = 1 euro for Wikimedia. Not 1
euro - x%
> >
On the other hand, the expenses are all currently in
the US, so the
currency will have to be converted at some point to
US$. This would
also require a resident of Europe to handle the bank
account and to
periodically mail checks to Jimbo (or bank transfer
the funds to a US
account, which probably isn't free).
-Mark
I have never heard of paypal in france. I saw it on
american web sites. I doubt french would do donations
by that way, but who knows ? I think a bank account in
euros would not be a uninteresting choice.
Another cultural difference : French have heard a lot
that internet paiement are unsure and that they could
be cheated. For this reason, electronic sales are
still very low. Very. Another reason for which french
would probably not easily consider an electronic
donation.
But well....
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I guess this will ignite a large debate but um... Is "fair use" material
allowed on WP? (Answer yes or no plz :-).
Then, can images from this site
http://www.pics4learning.com/index.php?view=image_use be used in WP?
Once again, yes or no.
I love to add pictures to articles. But it is very frustrating when you
realise that the time was wasted and that the pictures cannot be used on
WP.
BL <- who is to poor to buy a digital camera
Alex756 wrote:
>If Wikipedia was to start to do any lobbying for
>legislation, a strict policy would need to be
>implemented so that any such activities don't
>jeapardize its proposed 501(c)(3) tax exemption.
Isn't the Free Software Foundation a 501(c)(3)? They
do /a lot/ of lobbying.
--mav
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Here's an excerpt of an e-mail I got from the FFII. I think all
Wikipedias with languages spoken in Europe should take part in the
online demo. This isn't NPOV, but software patents could have serious
consequences for our project in the future, so I think we should take a
firm stand here.
Kurt
-------- Original Message --------
Dear FFII/Eurolinux supporter[1],
The European Parliament is voting on September 1st on a proposal
which, while pretending to aim at restricting patentability, in
reality ensures that algorithms and business methods like Amazon One
Click Shopping indisputably become patentable inventions (and
indisputably pass the bogus requirement of "technical contribution in
the inventive step").
As past experience shows, it is possible for powerful lobbies to push
incredibly bad directives through the European Parliament. But it is
also possible to have them rejected. Everything depends on how well we
use last week of August.
[...]
Needed: Your Website Blocked Next Wednesday August 27th
If the JURI proposal passes, important websites will be forced off the
Net in the near future. It would seem preferable to take them off the
Net now, as a demonstration, for a few days. Or, in a more gentle
manner, to hide the content behind a "Page Closed" screen of the
following kind:
see
Online Demonstration Against Software Patents
http://swpat.ffii.org/group/demo/index.en.html
The www.ffii.org title page is already hidden in this way and will
continue to stay hidden until after the vote.
You might consider hiding some or all pages at least on August 27th
and persuading your friends, especially those who administer
much-visited software download pages, to do likewise.
Sweet!
Jimbo wrote:
>Tomorrow I will set up a web page on wikimedia.org
>(the foundation website) with a variety of buttons
>and what-not to use, but there's no reason you can't
>get started now if you like.
Since we don't yet own Wikimedia.com, you might want
to consider hosting the foundation's website at
wikimediafoundation.org since I also bought the .com
for that. This might be better from an organizational
point of view too; Wikimedia.org could be a portal
page (as it is now) to the various Wikimedia projects
and the foundation's website. Also, IMO, wikimedia.org
should be the future home of meta (via a subdomain as
it is now) and the mailing lists (also via a subdomain
as they are now).
Wikimediafoundation.org/.com currently are forwarded
to wikimedia.org but you can change that via the
information I sent you a month ago (you never did
indicate that you received the user names and
passwords to access all the Wikimedia domain names I
hold; I'll resend this information to you again if you
lost my first email).
Also, you mentioned that you bought wikiquote.org/.com
; could you forward those domain names to
http://quote.wikipedia.org ? Moving isn't a priority
but forwarding is since we want to advertise
Wikiquote's existence with our next press release.
>At least initially, all funds will go towards the new
>server(s) that I'm shopping for -- the more you give,
>the more you get. :-)
I agree that that is a priority; we can think about
hiring a php/mysql optimization expert as soon as our
hardware needs are met.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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At the moment we run a Current events page which covers an entire month. We
also have a page for each date which covers significant historical events,
with greater depth for recent events.
However, neither of these systems has the capacity to allow in depth
coverage of happenings.
At present the current events page has 10-20 stories per day, and even at
that rate the page is rather large. Which really limits it to the sort of
stories that are goign to make world news headlines bulletins, and not the
sort of place I feel is appropriate to add a smaller story such as, for
example, the New Zealand Govt. enacting a major revamp of its Trade Mark
laws.
(Of course not all news stories are tied to a significant date, but a large
proportion are).
So why don't we start a page for each actual day, for example
20th_August_2003 (please, no flame wars over the date format at this
stage!). At up to 30kb each these allow plenty of capacity for headlines of
news stories from all over the world, and the only links we would need on
the home page would be "Today" "This Week" and "This Month".
It would also allow for more sensible linking of dates in articles -
instead of linking [[August_20|20th August]] [[2003]] or (whatever it is)
we could have a single link to that day's page.
--
Richard Grevers
Between two evils always pick the one you haven't tried
Let us get started writing an article for the Encyclopedia. We will write
about what we remember, what we observed, what other people have told us,
and what we have read.
If we are going to write by dictating using a voice to text program we
will need to train the program for any new words.
We will write about ANEMIA. In anemia the blood is not able to carry
enough oxygen to the body. This may result in fatigue, weakness, and
lightheadedness.
The red blood cells that carry oxygen to the body are produced in the
bone marrow.
Three types of anemia are: iron deficiency anemia, vitamin B12 deficiency
anemia (pernicious anemia), and folic acid deficiency anemia.
The average diet contains about 10 to 12 mg of iron per day of which 1 to
2 mg are absorbed.
Traces of cobalt are present in the soil in most parts of the world. When
ruminant animals such as cattle and sheep eat grass it goes to the first
stomach where fermentation takes place which produces the vitamin B12 and
large amounts of methane. Then it is regurgitated and chewed and
swallowed and the vitamin B12 goes into the meat.
Vitamin B12 in the diet combines with an intrinsic factor produced by
glands in the stomach and when it reaches the ileum of the small
intestine it can be absorbed into the bloodstream. The liver can store a
five-year supply vitamin B12 so failure to absorb it from food may not be
noticed for several years. The body may use six micrograms of vitamin B12
per day.
Vitamin B12 deficiency can be detected by blood tests. A needle may be
inserted in a vein in the arm and two samples may be taken. They are
analyzed by an automatic machine which prints out the results.
Vitamin B12 deficiency is treated by injecting 1 ml (1000 mcg) of vitamin
B12 (cyanocobalamin) into the muscle, first at weekly intervals and then
at monthly intervals for life.
Folic acid is contained in green leafy vegetables , and is destroyed by
cooking. The body stores only a small amount of folic acid in the liver.
The body may use 400 micrograms of folic acid per day.
Folic acid deficiency and vitamin B12 deficiency result in large red
blood cells that can not carry enough oxygen.
Now we have something to work with. Will it encourage the reader to
consult a doctor or will he try to diagnose and treat himself? Is the
information accurate? Would it help to have pictures of normal and
abnormal blood cells? Is it better to have separate articles or have
several subjects under the same heading? Are there terms that need to be
explained? Are there other articles on the same subject?
Merritt L. Perkins
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[20.08.03: arvindn(a)meenakshi.iitm.ernet.in]
>> Erik Moeller wrote:
>>
>>> With some crack Linux hackers we should be able to
>>> whip up something that runs on a 486 (using a miniature Linux
>>> distro for embedded devices and a very lean webbrowser like
>>> Dillo).
>I have a related suggestion: how about trying to get a regular
>linux distro to bundle wikipedia 1.0? It would be particularly
>attractive in third world counties. Also this requires no extra
>work like getting it to render properly on Dillo etc.
Which brings up my idea put on some of the no-feature-request
Wikipedia:pages: a slick little Linux command line (or even GUI) tool
that does nothing else than question (online) wikipedia and bring it's
answers in a desired output format (html, plain ascii, tex, ps, pdf).
I'm not really a programmer myself, but that should be quite simple --
and could be included/bundled in Linux distributions quite before
Wikipedia 1.0. Something like "ask-wiki".
bye, __ .
/ / / /
>
> Many nice pictures there!
Why, thank you :)
> Montreal has a noteworthy insectarium. That could lead to a lot of
> useful pictures.
Hm, quite so. Too bad it costs... but I'll see what I can do. It's also
right next to the second largest botanical garden in the world :)
Matt
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales/Pushing_To_1.0
We've discussed this a bit in the mailing list, but I thought it would
be helpful to group-edit a page (or pages) about it. I'd like to try
to work towards a central vision that we can all get on board with.
Your input is very much desired! Edit the page, add pages as needed,
refactor. I put it in my User: space so that I can feel comfortable
massively refactoring with a heavy hand from time to time. :-)
--Jimbo