How about something like this? If you visit www.ndp.ca (my political party's
website) you will see that it gives you a choice of language. If you visit
it subsequently, it remembers your choice and sends you to that language
automatically. Would this be appropriate?
Matt
I thought you all might be interested in seeing the
head article in the most popular mailing list for
search engine news...
http://searchenginewatch.com/searchday/03/sd0210-wikipedia.html
Chuck
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Hi!
I thought someone else with more legal knowledge would start a
discussion about this. But nothing happened, so I'll do it:
Whould it be possible to dual licence the Wikipedia articles with one of
the new creative commons licences? Preferably this one:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/1.0
(Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0)
It's in the spirit of the GNU FDL (copyleft), but much simpler, and I
think the creative commons licences will become very important sooner or
later. We should make it as easy as possible for people to use our work,
as long as their's is also open content.
I guess we might be able to incorporate works under the
Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0 licence, but not the other way round. But
IANAL. I guess the first paid employee of the Wikipedia foundation has
to be a copyright lawyer.
Is there a site somewhere that explains which free/open licences are
compatible with each other?
Of course it's impossible to ask everyone who has contributed to
wikipedia if it's okay to dual licence their work (I'm astonished that
it worked for Mozilla). But we might apply the creative commons licence
to all new articles, and to articles which have been heavily edited or
completely rewritten.
Kurt
I have changed Brion's updates to the CologneBlue skin at
http://test.wikipedia.org yet again. Now the quickbar fits on my 800x600
screen (except for some of "My options", which is OK, as these functions
are not used so often).
I'd like to put this into CVS so it can run at the "real" sites ASAP, so
please have a look.
Magnus
> This a problem, because, somebody cannot understand
> "choose your language".
I would hope everyone in the world who would use
Wikipedia would be able to read the phrase, "Choose
your language" or at least the word "language". In
all of my travels, I've only found one person (a young
Japanese person in the USA on a Greyhound bus) who
couldn't understand the word "language". I'm sure
though that a Japanese person seeing a link with
Japanese characters would click it though...
Generally when I meet someone in a country where I
can't speak the language, I start by saying "English,
Deutsch, Espa~nol?" and then usually the reply is
"English" or "Deutsch" and then we begin a
conversation. In this same way Wikipedia would start
by presenting the languages in question, like
http://europa.eu.int/, www.esperanto.net or
www.tejo.org.
I have a fair amount of experience with multilingual
webpages, and this is the general practice and
multilingual people really appreciate knowing that a
language is in more than one language instead of
simply being directed to "their version".
> Automatic redirection solves this problem,
> transporting you to your language frontpage.
This doesn't show that a webpage is in multiple
languages and doesn't help the Esperanto speakers in
the Czech Republic nor the English speakers in Sweden.
> Later, in this page you can choose, using the
> language you understand, go to another page of a
> language you speak too, like or understand.
But what if you don't understand the page that your
browser has redirected you to because your browser is
poorly configured or you're using a computer in an
Internet cafe which uses a language you can't
understand? I still remember the nightmares of trying
to set up an MSN messenger account which I desperately
needed in a Czech republic internet cafe! ...and try
changing your browser settings when all the browser
help is in Czech!
Chuck
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Erik Moeller wrote:
>Check the link color. If it's a new user,
>the user page and/or talk page link is
>likely to be red (non-existent). We should
>store the user creation date in the user table
>and provide that information on the user
>page, though.
Many of these don't stay red for long since I greet users and create blank
user pages for them usually within 48 hours of them appearing on Recent
Changes.
<dreaming>
It would be very nice to have a manual 'Watch this user' option that would
work similarly to 'Watch this page'. Then it would be possible to flag
troublesome users. The user name/IP of a flagged user would show up bold on
Recent Changes. It would also be neat to be able (via a user preference) to
automatically have new users flagged in Recent Changes (maybe even be able to
customize the "newbiness" threshold similar to the way the stub detector
works - there could also be a timeout whereby if a user or IP hasn't made an
edit in x months then they are considered to be a newbie again).
We could even have an 'Ignore this user' option where ignored users and their
edits would not be shown in RC. But I am a bit uncomfortable with that idea.
</dreaming>
--Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
WikiKarma
Added many events to [[February 4]]; updated all year pages and many other
articles linked from there.
Perhaps an N by a username on the recent changes page can denote a new username: thus helping people figure out anons who log in for a one-shot go at things. -Stevertigo
On Saturday 08 February 2003 12:35 pm, Jimmy Wales wrote:
> It sometimes happens that true vandals login. I give as an example
> Annetit on the [[Woman]] article. If this person was posting from an
> ip number, instead of a username, they would have been promptly and
> justly banned immediately.
>
> It would be nice if sysops could just as easily obtain and ban the ip
> number for a username.
>
> There *are* some potential political problems with this, obviously.
> One of the most important "checks" against sysop "power" is that by
> logging in, people are immune to banning unless we go through a whole
> political process of deciding to ban them, which is always a big deal.
>
> And that's a good thing, I think, as uncomfortable as it is sometimes.
>
> So, ideas?
>
> --Jimbo
After I spent at least 4 hours fighting this clown when I should have been
sleeping you already know where my opinion resides on the issue of whether or
not to allow Admins to block the IPs of logged-in vandals (thanks for doing
the blocking BTW - I /really/ needed some sleep by that point). It would be
nice, if easy to implement, for an Admin to be able to block the IP a
logged-in user is using without exposing their IP to the Admin.
This would prevent an Admin from doing preemptive blocks of IP ranges but some
users might not be comfortable with exposing their IP - even if it is only to
Admins. A wealth of information can be obtained on a person once you have
their IP and even though I trust that this information would not be abused by
the Admins I know of several people on the en.wiki who would make more of
this than it really is.
So the blocked user page could say:
14:02 Feb 8, 2003, [[SeanAvery941]] blocked 'IP1_used_by_User:Annetit'
([[contribs]]) ([[unblock]]) (Vandalized a series of pages by reverting to
earlier versions. Annetit did not stop after being asked to do so and then
did not stop after being warned)
Developers, of course, would still be able to see the actual IP so that the
person's ISP can be notified if needed. Developers would also be the only
ones with the ability to actually ban a /user name/ from being used at any
IP.
But of course, blocking the IP of a logged-in user needs at least a good
mention on the mailing list. Perhaps whenever /any ban/ is enacted a message
indicating the IP/ user name banned, the Admin doing the banning and the
stated reason why the ban was implemented would be sent to either the
corresponding language-specific mailing list (wikinl-l, wikifr-l, wikipl-l,
wikien-l, wikieo-l, intlwiki-l - for languages without their own mailing
list) or all ban notifications go to wikipedia-l (probably the best option in
terms of accountability).
That would be another check on Admin power especially since it creates a
permanent record of bans in a forum that can debate the merits of the ban.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
WikiKarma:
I was up all night helping to clean-up after the MIT Vandal.
After reading the latest arguments about automatic
redirects and such from www.wikipedia.org, I just want
to emphasize that I want it to be a simple
choose-your-language page, so that multilingual people
would immediately see that they could contribute in
multiple languages. Speaking more than one language,
*really* enhances the Wikipedia experience because you
see points of view that may be expressed by members of
one language and not that of others. It's also one of
my incentives to continue to study Dutch and
Slovene...
More Languages = More Wikipedia =)
Fulfill Your Obsession, Learn Another Language! :-)
Chuck
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