On Sunday 02 February 2003 12:56 am, Brion Vibber wrote:
> The browser still must check with the server to see if the page has
> changed, but if it hasn't the browser's cached version can be shown,
> saving a lot of database sorting, wikitext parsing, link checking, and
> bandwidth. If it has changed, you get the new version.
Everything is much faster now and that is great! But one minor annoyance is
that (at least with Konqueror 3.0.3) the New Messages message doesn't seem to
trigger the 'changed page' flag so Konqi dutifully displays the cached
version of a page instead of updating the page to display the new dynamic
content. No biggie though.
BTW, would it be possible to have the top header area be a different HTML
frame so that each frame can be dealt with separately? Then the content of
the page could be cached /server side/ after it is requested by an anon (or a
user with default settings) and served-up for anons and users with default
settings until a change is made to the page. Then the next anon/default user
accessing the page causes all the queries that are needed to render the new
page and then that page version is cached and made available to the next
anon/default user to view... The only thing that would be dynamic for anons
and default users would be the top frame (since it displays their IP/user
name and the 'new messages' link - but that could be cached client side so
long as the display of 'new messages' and changes in login status tells the
browser that that frame has changed). Just some thoughts - do with them as
you see fit.
--mav
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This was a bug report
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 12:37:18PM +0100, Erik Moeller wrote:
>Given Isis'/Kay's continued legal threats against a valued member of the
>Wikipedia community (Tarquin) for a misunderstanding (largely on her part), I
>must insist that her sysop status be revoked. I cannot trust her to be fair in
>the use of the sysop privileges any longer.
>
>Jimbo, please take action in this matter ASAP.
I object to this request, and request that Isis sysop status be left
alone.
Isis has repeatedly asked for clarification, in very polite terms. I
have not seen attempts to answer him.
Isis is acting out of concern for his own legal liability. I think it
would be the right thing to do for you, Jimbo, or for Tarquin to give
Isis a brief note of assurance that he is not liable.
As you may or may not have noticed, Isis works as a paralegal. He has
experience of how things work in the law, so has a better idea than the
rest of us if he actually is in legal danger or not. Far better to have
him onside and working for us, than to snub him and lose his valuable
services.
Jonathan
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Hello, everyone
I am not interested in the policy of wikipedia at all. While
it can be better still, I think the current policy (NPOV,
for instance) and the syntax (wiki-markup language) are
adequate and have no intention to discuss them.
My concern is about the administration of wikipedia, or the
server, database stuff and the development of wikipedia. It
seems there is a lot of problems and they are goind to be
even worse.
In theory, yes, CVS of wikipedia code is open for anyone who
is willing to contribute and should be work just like wiki.
Alas! the reality is different, if not totally. As we know,
quite a few of people are actually coding, compared with the
number and diversity of wikipedians. Unlike the article in
wikipedia,
I posted this for responding to the advice by Jimbo.
However, if here is not appreciate place to submit this kind
of mail, please let me know and I will seek another place to
conduct the discussion.
Therefore,
I would like to proposal:
1. Disclose more information
While none of details are hidden, surely strangers have
almost no information to hack. ("How to become a wikipedia
hacker" in meta-wikipedia has a lack of critical information
and is heavliy underused.)
2. Organize the development system
See UseMod. It has a far better developer community then
wikipedia software.
We should stop immediately relying on the individual
efforts. For example, many people simply post a bug to
Brion, knowing he is responsible for the wikipedia software.
Even he encourages people to report a bug to *him*. I don't
blame him as well as others like him but really appreciate
them. But such a case is not ought to be in wikipedia.
3. Make wikipedia software more visible and independent
Maybe we need a nice name for wikipedia software to make it
more recognizable.
-- Therefore, --
the practical solution (I think but should not be limited
to) is probably:
set up hacker.wikipedia.org or sister project dedicated to
development software tools for wikipedia. In additon to the
server software hosting wikipedia, the software programs may
include another useful tools for wikipedians (maybe chat
tools, if someone would like to persuite )
The site can embrace services for the sites hosting
wikipedia software other than wikipedia.org (actually I am
planning to switch the wiki program of my wiki to wikipedia
software).
If you know UseMod and meatball, my proposal is akin to the
relationship among UseMod and meatball.
Yes, there is a meat-wikipedia. But as we know, meta-
wikipedia doesn't work well. There are plenty of dead stuff,
which look weird and make strangers difficult to
participate. There are even non-English stuff. Meta-wiki may
be good place to put a draft, submit a proposal but it is
not suitable for developers.
What do you think?
Best wishes,
Takuya Murata
takusi(a)manjiro.net
The English-language Wikipedia is currently in read-only mode while the
old revisions table is munged into a more friendly, less prone to delays
when loading oft-edited pages, state. It should be through in a couple
of hours (it's a DARN big table!); sorry for the wait.
In the meantime, explore meta.wikipedia.org, wiktionary.org, or dabble
in another language...
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
I'm always suprised when I go to the plej vizitataj
pagxoj (most visited pages) in the Esperanto Wikipedia
and I see:
1. Cxefpagxo (19094-foje)
2. Svedio (3181-foje)
3. Sxekspiro (707-foje)
4. Esperanto-muziko (664-foje)
5. Germanio (604-foje)
Having Shakespeare, Esperanto music and Germany don't
surprise me, but does anyone have a clue why the
article on Sweden is so popular?! This has been
bugging me for a while now... :-)
http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciala:Popularpages
Mi cxiam surprizigxas kiam mi vizitas la plej
vizitatajn pagxojn en la Vikipedio kaj vidas (la
liston supre). Sxekspiro, Esperanto-muziko kaj
Germanio ne surprizas min, sed cxu iu scias kial la
artikolo pri Svedio estas tiom populara?! Cxi tio
"gxenis" min dum iom da tempo nun... :-)
Thanks / Dankon,
Chuck
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Hello
Here's the texte I posted today for racialisme
"Le '''racialisme''' est relatif � la conviction qu'�
une personne de l'existence de [[race]]s. Le terme est
utilis� dans les sciences humaines et en particulier
par [[Pierre-Andr� Taguieff]].
Le racialisme est le fait de d�signer une personne
comme �tant d'une race ou d'une autre, plut�t que par
exemple d'une couleur ou d'une autre. Par exemple, un
article reportant un accident dans un journal, et
indiquant qu'un conducteur est blanc est du
racialisme."
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Here's the comment I had on the discussion page (of
course, my definition was deleted)
''Rigoles pas des genoux � part toi personne ne
connais ce mot. Consid�res que par d�faut ce que dit
Aoineko est vrai ton mot c'est pipot i.e. dans aucun
dico ! C'est une encyclop�die pas un d�pliant du FN.
En attendant laisse b�ton. Merde, je suis peut �tre
que ma�tre es science, mais mes notions scientifiques
sont suffisantes pour savoir que tes th�ories sont
aussi scientifiques que celle sur les aliens. Jul''
Is it a proper way to talk to people ?
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There are hits on google about racialisme. Some are
from the french embassy, some on antiracist
associations
people like Taguieff and Poliakov, and Barthes are
talking about this
But french people consider the word don't exist, they
insult me, and delete my article
They replaced my article with
"Terme invent� par des groupes racistes dans le but de
nier le racisme.
Ce mot n'existe officiellement pas."
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Do you think that definition is correcte ??? I don't
think so; and I think many people would disagree with
it, not only me.
But, it is the definition that is on Wikip�dia now.
I don't know if people other then french speak french
here. But, if they do, can they give their advice
please ?
I think it is totally untrue that wikipedia is
neutral. It is not. Unless you do something, and tell
them not to delete what I write.
I tried to merge my texte and their texte, but they
deleted mine again.
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Bonjour,
Anthere gave you only very soft links... why ???
Here is the sentence that the majority of french wikipedians don't want to
see in wikipedia.
All was wrote by Philippe :
In Racisme, jan 15, 2003 :
"Il semble que certaines races soient superieures aux autres races pour
certains aspects; par exemple, les noirs courent plus vite que les blancs."
Translation by "Babel Fish Translation" :
"It seems that certain races are higher than the other races for certain
aspects; for example, the blacks run more quickly than the white."
In Antisemitisme, jan 27, 2003 :
"Historiquement, il existe de nombreux motifs pour justifier
l'antisemitisme, incluant des facteurs sociaux, economiques, nationaux,
politiques, raciaux et religieux.."
Translation by "Babel Fish Translation" :
"Historically, there are many reasons to justify the anti-semitism,
including factors social, economic, national, political, racial and
religious."
In Antisemitisme, jan 27, 2003 :
"Les juifs sont des personnes d'une race distinctement differente des autres
personnes. La discrimination basee sur une telle distinction est donc
valide."
Translation by "Babel Fish Translation" :
"The Jews are people of a race distinctly different from the other people.
The discrimination based on such a distinction is thus valid"
Comment ?
Aoineko
In an effort to reduce our traffic by cutting out unintentional reloads
(particularly through using the 'back' and 'forward' buttons in Internet
Explorer), certain accesses to Wikipedia are now marked to allow
browsers to cache them.
Now cacheable are:
- Viewing an article's current version
- Viewing an older version of an article
- Showing an article's history
- Recent changes list
The browser still must check with the server to see if the page has
changed, but if it hasn't the browser's cached version can be shown,
saving a lot of database sorting, wikitext parsing, link checking, and
bandwidth. If it has changed, you get the new version.
I haven't been able to get Mozilla to consistently behave correctly
(probs with the expiry time; it doesn't check for updates), so for
Gecko-based browsers the pages will still be marked as un-cacheable.
This isn't as big a deal anyway, as Mozilla will in any case use cached
pages when traversing the "back" and "forward" buttons; IE's forced
reloads in this situation are the primary target.
(The pages are also marked 'private', so shared proxy caches shouldn't
send one person's logged-in pages to another person.)
If anyone has (new) problems with pages showing old versions when they
shouldn't, please let me know!
So far this is installed only on www.wikipedia.org and
test.wikipedia.org. It'll go on meta and the rest of the languages soon
when I get other things updated this weekend.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
For several days now, when I've clicked on "User Contributions" on my user page, Wikipedia has churned for several minutes, and then displayed the browser's "The page cannot be displayed". I can sometimes Refresh and eventually it comes up, but today, that's been completely unsuccessful.
Zoe
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It may not be a popular position, but i really do believe in giving a second
(or is it a third) chance. Inevitably, people will be watching the articles
and going over them with a finetooth comb anyway. Still, this could be a
potentially valuable contribution. If asked to vote, I would say yes. Let
Lir, Vera, Adam or whatever contribute, at least on a trial basis.
Danny