Hello everybody, Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper structure on commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the identifiers.Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... Andorra- Flanders (Belgium)- Estonia- Netherlands- Romania- Spain- Wallonia (Belgium) The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier. I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't have a similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can find me on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel I'm in #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with an e-mail. Mvg, Bas
Hi Bas,
For Portugal we have http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:IGESPAR. Could you explain what more is needed, if anything, to adjust the structure?
Cheers, Gonçalo
2011/7/30 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper structure on commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the identifiers. Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... )
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't have a similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can find me on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel I'm in #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
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Nevermind, this ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:IGESPAR&diff=pre...) should do it.
2011/7/30 GoEthe.wiki goethe.wiki@gmail.com
Hi Bas,
For Portugal we have http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:IGESPAR. Could you explain what more is needed, if anything, to adjust the structure?
Cheers, Gonçalo
2011/7/30 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper structure on commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the identifiers. Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... )
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't have a similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can find me on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel I'm in #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
Austria will have this too until September!
greetings Hubertl
Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb:
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper structure on commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the identifiers. Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_...)
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't have a similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can find me on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel I'm in #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
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Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text from your mail to the project page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course I hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert hubert.laska@gmx.at
Austria will have this too until September!
greetings Hubertl
Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb:
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper structure on commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the
identifiers.
Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... )
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't have a similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can find me on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel I'm in #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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Hello Jane, On commons the length of the template name isn't really a problem because the bot will fill these. Portugal and Austria now seem the have the most important part of the structure as well. Mvg, Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:30:41 +0200 From: jane023@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september.
Bas,Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text from your mail to the project page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course I hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert hubert.laska@gmx.at
Austria will have this too until September!
greetings Hubertl
Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb:
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper structure on
commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the identifiers.
Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure
(see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_...)
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas
and countries (whenever possible).
Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier
as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And
well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't have a
similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of
the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can find me
on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel I'm in
#wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with
an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
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we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24 Hours! Thanks for advice!
greetings Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text from your mail to the project page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course I hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
Austria will have this too until September! greetings Hubertl Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb: > Hello everybody, > > Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper structure on > commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the identifiers. > Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure > (see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_known_IDs) > - Andorra > - Flanders (Belgium) > - Estonia > - Netherlands > - Romania > - Spain > - Wallonia (Belgium) > > The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas > and countries (whenever possible). > Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier > as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And > well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier. > > I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't have a > similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of > the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can find me > on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel I'm in > #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with > an e-mail. > > Mvg, > > Bas > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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isn't a redirect possible? {{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots. Another thing: I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_... MVg, Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 From: hubert.laska@gmx.at To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september.
we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24 Hours! Thanks for advice!
greetings Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text from your mail to the project page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course I hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
Austria will have this too until September! greetings Hubertl Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb: > Hello everybody, > > Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper structure on > commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the identifiers. > Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure > (see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_known_IDs) > - Andorra > - Flanders (Belgium) > - Estonia > - Netherlands > - Romania > - Spain > - Wallonia (Belgium) > > The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas > and countries (whenever possible). > Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier > as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And > well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier. > > I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't have a > similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of > the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can find me > on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel I'm in > #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with > an e-mail. > > Mvg, > > Bas > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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Hubert & Bas, I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all.
After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
isn't a redirect possible?
{{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots.
Another thing:
I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_...
MVg,
Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 From: hubert.laska@gmx.at
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons,
a must have before 1 september.
we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24 Hours! Thanks for advice!
greetings Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text
from
your mail to the project page here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course
I
hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI
number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
Austria will have this too until September!
greetings Hubertl
Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb:
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper
structure on
commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the
identifiers.
Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... )
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the
identifier
as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures.
And
well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't
have a
similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one
of
the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can
find me
on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel
I'm in
#wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or
with
an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
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Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite... Greets -- Alex On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hubert & Bas, I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all.
After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
isn't a redirect possible?
{{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots.
Another thing:
I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_...
MVg,
Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 From: hubert.laska@gmx.at
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons,
a must have before 1 september.
we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24 Hours! Thanks for advice!
greetings Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing
became
much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text
from
your mail to the project page here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course
I
hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI
number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
Austria will have this too until September!
greetings Hubertl
Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb:
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper
structure on
commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the
identifiers.
Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... )
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating
areas
and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the
identifier
as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures.
And
well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't
have a
similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one
of
the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can
find me
on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel
I'm in
#wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or
with
an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
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{{doo}} is the short of the current thing
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 20:41:48 +0200 From: alexxw83@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september.
Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite... Greets-- Alex On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hubert & Bas,I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all. After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
isn't a redirect possible? {{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots. Another thing: I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_...
MVg, Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 From: hubert.laska@gmx.at To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september.
we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24 Hours!
Thanks for advice!
greetings Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became
much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text from
your mail to the project page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course I hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the
Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
Austria will have this too until September! greetings Hubertl Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb: > Hello everybody, >
> Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper structure on > commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the identifiers.
> Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure > (see http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_known_IDs)
> - Andorra > - Flanders (Belgium) > - Estonia > - Netherlands > - Romania > - Spain > - Wallonia (Belgium)
> > The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas > and countries (whenever possible). > Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier
> as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And > well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier. > > I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't
have a > similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of > the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can find me
> on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel I'm in > #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with
> an e-mail. > > Mvg, > > Bas > > > _______________________________________________
> Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
{{doo}} is the short of the current thing
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 20:41:48 +0200 From: alexxw83@gmail.com
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september.
Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite... Greets -- Alex On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hubert & Bas, I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all.
After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
isn't a redirect possible?
{{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots.
Another thing:
I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_...
MVg,
Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 From: hubert.laska@gmx.at
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons,
a must have before 1 september.
we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24 Hours! Thanks for advice!
greetings Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text
from
your mail to the project page here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course
I
hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI
number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
Austria will have this too until September!
greetings Hubertl
Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb:
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper
structure on
commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the
identifiers.
Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... )
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the
identifier
as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures.
And
well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't
have a
similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one
of
the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can
find me
on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel
I'm in
#wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or
with
an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
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Done ;) -> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Doo&redirect=no
Greets
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 20:55, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
+1
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
{{doo}} is the short of the current thing
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 20:41:48 +0200 From: alexxw83@gmail.com
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september.
Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite... Greets -- Alex On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hubert & Bas, I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all.
After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
isn't a redirect possible?
{{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots.
Another thing:
I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_...
MVg,
Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 From: hubert.laska@gmx.at
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons,
a must have before 1 september.
we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24 Hours! Thanks for advice!
greetings Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing
became
much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text
from
your mail to the project page here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course
I
hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI
number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
Austria will have this too until September!
greetings Hubertl
Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb:
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper
structure on
commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the
identifiers.
Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... )
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating
areas
and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the
identifier
as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures.
And
well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't
have a
similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one
of
the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can
find me
on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel
I'm in
#wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or
with
an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
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Hi there, Perhaps it would be better to use as abbreviaton the ISO-3166-1, like AT for Austria and so on and one common common english for each category like monument-AT , -NL, PT and so on
K@rl
Am 31.07.2011 20:41, schrieb AleXXw:
Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite... Greets -- Alex On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com mailto:jane023@gmail.com> wrote:
Hubert & Bas, I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all. After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler". Jane 2011/7/31 Bas vb <bas_v_b@hotmail.com <mailto:bas_v_b@hotmail.com>> isn't a redirect possible? {{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots. Another thing: I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_infrastructure#Status_per_country MVg, Bas > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 > From: hubert.laska@gmx.at <mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at> > To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september. > > we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24 Hours! > Thanks for advice! > > greetings > Hubertl > > Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell: > > Bas, > > Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became > > much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, > > because I would like to set up a template structure on the english > > wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text from > > your mail to the project page here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_contribute_to_this_WLM_initiative > > > > Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course I > > hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a > > way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the > > Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people > > use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI number). > > > > Jane > > > > 2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at <mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at> <mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at <mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>>> > > > > Austria will have this too until September! > > > > greetings Hubertl > > > > Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb: > > > Hello everybody, > > > > > > Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper > > structure on > > > commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the > > identifiers. > > > Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure > > > (see > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_known_IDs) > > > - Andorra > > > - Flanders (Belgium) > > > - Estonia > > > - Netherlands > > > - Romania > > > - Spain > > > - Wallonia (Belgium) > > > > > > The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas > > > and countries (whenever possible). > > > Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier > > > as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And > > > well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier. > > > > > > I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't > > have a > > > similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of > > > the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can > > find me > > > on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel > > I'm in > > > #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with > > > an e-mail. > > > > > > Mvg, > > > > > > Bas > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > > <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > > <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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Actually, I just made the category for the Austrian monuments and called it Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with the article "Denkmalgeschütztes Objekt" as the main article for the category. I wanted to link to the similar category on Commons, but that is called Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria. Why is that in English and not in the native language? Is there a reason for this (perhaps it's a Bot-related reason?) Jane
2011/7/31 Karl Gruber karl.gruber@mmcx.net
Hi there, Perhaps it would be better to use as abbreviaton the ISO-3166-1, like AT for Austria and so on and one common common english for each category like monument-AT , -NL, PT and so on
K@rl
Am 31.07.2011 20:41, schrieb AleXXw:
Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite... Greets -- Alex On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hubert & Bas, I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all.
After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
isn't a redirect possible?
{{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots.
Another thing:
I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_...
MVg,
Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 From: hubert.laska@gmx.at
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on
Commons, a must have before 1 september.
we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24
Hours!
Thanks for advice!
greetings Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing
became
much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text
from
your mail to the project page here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of
course I
hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many
people
use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI
number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
Austria will have this too until September!
greetings Hubertl
Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb:
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper
structure on
commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the
identifiers.
Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... )
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating
areas
and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the
identifier
as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures.
And
well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't
have a
similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one
of
the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can
find me
on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel
I'm in
#wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or
with
an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
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As far as I know, all monument categories on Commons are in English, at least that's true for all german categories as well.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I just made the category for the Austrian monuments and called it Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with the article "Denkmalgeschütztes Objekt" as the main article for the category. I wanted to link to the similar category on Commons, but that is called Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria. Why is that in English and not in the native language? Is there a reason for this (perhaps it's a Bot-related reason?) Jane
2011/7/31 Karl Gruber karl.gruber@mmcx.net
Hi there, Perhaps it would be better to use as abbreviaton the ISO-3166-1, like AT for Austria and so on and one common common english for each category like monument-AT , -NL, PT and so on
K@rl
Am 31.07.2011 20:41, schrieb AleXXw:
Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite... Greets -- Alex On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hubert & Bas, I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all.
After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
isn't a redirect possible?
{{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots.
Another thing:
I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_...
MVg,
Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 From: hubert.laska@gmx.at
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on
Commons, a must have before 1 september.
we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24
Hours!
Thanks for advice!
greetings Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing
became
much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text
from
your mail to the project page here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of
course I
hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there
a
way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for
the
Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many
people
use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI
number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
Austria will have this too until September!
greetings Hubertl
Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb: > Hello everybody, > > Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper structure on > commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the identifiers. > Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure > (see
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... )
> - Andorra > - Flanders (Belgium) > - Estonia > - Netherlands > - Romania > - Spain > - Wallonia (Belgium) > > The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating
areas
> and countries (whenever possible). > Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the
identifier
> as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures.
And
> well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an
identifier.
> > I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't have a > similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or
one of
> the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can find me > on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel I'm in > #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or
with
> an e-mail. > > Mvg, > > Bas > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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Yes all commons categories are in English or should be in English. I still dream that these categories should be translated with an English base. I'm speaking about a real translation of categories, not about redirects which are not a solution.
Because for more efficient search on commons, we currently have to search on wikipedias and then use the link given by the template commonscat (or derivative) when it is there.
Direct search don't give the same ressult in every language. In one hand commons should be a multilingual and multimedia bank online, in another hand all is done to not use commons directly...
But it's another debate... Florian Farge aka Otourly Sur lesprojets wikimédiens et l'Association française,sur OxyRadio, OSM, et sur MOVIM Socio di Wikimedia Italia
De : Kilian Kluge kilian@k-kluge.de À : Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Envoyé le : Lundi 1 Août 2011 13h29 Objet : Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september.
As far as I know, all monument categories on Commons are in English, at least that's true for all german categories as well.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I just made the category for the Austrian monuments and called it Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with the article "Denkmalgeschütztes Objekt" as the main article for the category. I wanted to link to the similar category on Commons, but that is called Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria.
Why is that in English and not in the native language? Is there a reason for this (perhaps it's a Bot-related reason?) Jane
2011/7/31 Karl Gruber karl.gruber@mmcx.net
Hi there,
Perhaps it would be better to use as abbreviaton the ISO-3166-1,
like AT for Austria and so on and one common common english for each category like monument-AT , -NL, PT and so on
K@rl
Am 31.07.2011 20:41, schrieb AleXXw:
Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite...
Greets
Alex
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hubert & Bas,
I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all.
After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
isn't a redirect possible?
{{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots.
Another thing:
I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_...
MVg,
Bas
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 > From: hubert.laska@gmx.at
> To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves
Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september.
>
> we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24 Hours! > Thanks for advice! > > greetings > Hubertl > > Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell: > > Bas, > > Thanks so much for your
mail - suddenly the whole template thing became
> > much clearer for me! I
need to gather all of these templates now,
> > because I would like to
set up a template structure on the english
> > wikipedia like the one for
Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text from
> > your mail to the project
page here:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont... > > > > Hubert, I noticed your
template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course I
> > hope that the user won't
need to type that in by hand, but is there a
> > way to shorten it up a
bit? I want to make a similar template for the
> > Austrian monuments on the
English wikipedia, and I noticed many people
> > use abbreviations for the
numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI number).
> > > > Jane > > > > 2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at> > > > > Austria will have this too
until September!
> > > > greetings Hubertl > > > > Am 30.07.2011 19:02,
schrieb Bas vb:
> > > Hello everybody, > > > > > > Last year we had very
much benefits from a good and proper
> > structure on > > > commons, important
was that we could tag the pictures with the
> > identifiers. > > > Currently there are 7
countries/areas which have this structure
> > > (see > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_...) > > > - Andorra > > > - Flanders (Belgium) > > > - Estonia > > > - Netherlands > > > - Romania > > > - Spain > > > - Wallonia (Belgium) > > > > > > The idea is to set up
a similar structure for all participating areas
> > > and countries
(whenever possible).
> > > Together with
structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier
> > > as a field) this will
provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And
> > > well it's one of the
requirements that pictures have an identifier.
> > > > > > I think it's the best
idea when the other countries, which don't
> > have a > > > similar structure yet
contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of
> > > the persons who has
allready set up a similar structure. You can
> > find me > > > on IRC (name "basvb"
if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel
> > I'm in > > > #wikipedia-nl), on my
commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with
> > > an e-mail. > > > > > > Mvg, > > > > > > Bas > > > > > > > > >
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mailing list
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Thanks for the replies!
Maybe what we need to do here is brush up our English. In my reality, living in the Netherlands, a "Rijksmonument" is a concept of a building that has a certain stamp-of-approval from the Dutch government. This building is so important to the cultural heritage of the country, that they put a blue-and-white label on it (and a brown label on it, and a white label on it,.. OK I won't bore you with more details).
I could call this building a "National Heritage Site" using the English term as it is used in the US, or I could call it a "Listed building" as that term is used in the UK, but what I really want to call it is a "Rijksmonument", since that is what the Dutch government and the Dutch tourist offices call it. Using the Dutch term makes it clear also for people interested in heritage. I vote to use the Dutch term, and guess what? That is also what is used on Commons. It may not be strictly English, but it is the internationally correct term to use, as it is defined in the Netherlands. Therefore, I vote to call this an English term!! http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rijksmonumenten Ergo, let's do this for all countries (yes even for those cyrillic users!)
Jane
2011/8/1 Otourly Wiki otourly@yahoo.fr
Yes all commons categories are in English or should be in English. I still dream that these categories should be translated with an English base. I'm speaking about a real translation of categories, not about redirects which are not a solution. Because for more efficient search on commons, we currently have to search on wikipedias and then use the link given by the template commonscat (or derivative) when it is there. Direct search don't give the same ressult in every language. In one hand commons should be a multilingual and multimedia bank online, in another hand all is done to not use commons directly... But it's another debate...
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As far as I know, all monument categories on Commons are in English, at least that's true for all german categories as well.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I just made the category for the Austrian monuments and called it Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with the article "Denkmalgeschütztes Objekt" as the main article for the category. I wanted to link to the similar category on Commons, but that is called Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria. Why is that in English and not in the native language? Is there a reason for this (perhaps it's a Bot-related reason?) Jane
2011/7/31 Karl Gruber karl.gruber@mmcx.net
Hi there, Perhaps it would be better to use as abbreviaton the ISO-3166-1, like AT for Austria and so on and one common common english for each category like monument-AT , -NL, PT and so on
K@rl
Am 31.07.2011 20:41, schrieb AleXXw:
Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite... Greets -- Alex On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
Hubert & Bas, I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all.
After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb bas_v_b@hotmail.com
isn't a redirect possible?
{{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots.
Another thing:
I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_...
MVg,
Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 From: hubert.laska@gmx.at
To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons,
a must have before 1 september.
we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24
Hours!
Thanks for advice!
greetings Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
Bas, Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, because I would like to set up a template structure on the english wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text
from
your mail to the project page here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_cont...
Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course
I
hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI
number).
Jane
2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>
Austria will have this too until September!
greetings Hubertl
Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb:
Hello everybody,
Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper
structure on
commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the
identifiers.
Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure (see
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_... )
- Andorra
- Flanders (Belgium)
- Estonia
- Netherlands
- Romania
- Spain
- Wallonia (Belgium)
The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas and countries (whenever possible). Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the
identifier
as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures.
And
well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier.
I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't
have a
similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one
of
the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can
find me
on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel
I'm in
#wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or
with
an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
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That's not a real problem, but for not Dutch people it's quite difficult to prononce it ;) French people can't prononce "Rijksmonument" :pand for a lot of persons a National Heritage Site have more meaning than a word which sounds like monument.
My comment was a general one. If someone want to find the monuments protected in nederlands needs to know this word. So he loose time to find this word first. Of course he could find it, but no body knows how to do a "perfect search" on Commons...
Well, if I want to search "National Heritage Site in Nederlands" and most of descriptions of the images are not in English and if also the category not in English, I will find with the commons research, and also google research configurate to research only in Commons, I'll find only the files which a description with a mention of "National Heritage Site" and "Nederlands". Certainly peanuts. Well I'm speaking about English because it's one of the most spoken languages. But we need to keep in mind that everybody do not speak English very well.
Translating categories will increasethe efficience of the search and the visibility of Commons.
You could but a sondage on yours wikipedia about Commons, you'll see few people like to search on it...
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Thanks for the replies!
Maybe what we need to do here is brush up our English. In my reality, living in the Netherlands, a "Rijksmonument" is a concept of a building that has a certain stamp-of-approval from the Dutch government. This building is so important to the cultural heritage of the country, that they put a blue-and-white label on it (and a brown label on it, and a white label on it,.. OK I won't bore you with more details).
I could call this building a "National Heritage Site" using the English term as it is used in the US, or I could call it a "Listed building" as that term is used in the UK, but what I really want to call it is a "Rijksmonument", since that is what the Dutch government and the Dutch tourist offices call it. Using the Dutch term makes it clear also for people interested in heritage. I vote to use the Dutch term, and guess what? That is also what is used on Commons. It may not be strictly English, but it is the internationally correct term to use, as it is defined in the Netherlands. Therefore, I vote to call this an English term!! http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rijksmonumenten Ergo, let's do this for all countries (yes even for those cyrillic users!)
Jane
2011/8/1 Otourly Wiki otourly@yahoo.fr
Yes all commons categories are in English or should be in English. I still dream that these categories should be translated with an English base. I'm speaking about a real translation of categories, not about redirects which are not a solution.
Because for more efficient search on commons, we currently have to search on wikipedias and then use the link given by the template commonscat (or derivative) when it is there.
Direct search don't give the same ressult in every language. In one hand commons should be a multilingual and multimedia bank online, in another hand all is done to not use commons directly...
But it's another debate... Florian Farge aka Otourly Sur lesprojets wikimédiens et l'Association française,sur OxyRadio, OSM, et sur MOVIM Socio di Wikimedia Italia
I see too, that a solution in english through commons would be the better way.
Only the one problem I see with official names. Often they cannot be translated, because they are listed with the native language names in each country. e.g. the Viennas most important cemetry is the Zentralfriedhof and it's not correct to translate it to central cemetry (look in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zentralfriedhof )
So there are many monuments with such names (like churches, and so on)
K@rl
Am 01.08.2011 13:44, schrieb Otourly Wiki:
Yes all commons categories are in English or should be in English. I still dream that these categories should be translated with an English base. I'm speaking about a real translation of categories, not about redirects which are not a solution. Because for more efficient search on commons, we currently have to search on wikipedias and then use the link given by the template commonscat (or derivative) when it is there. Direct search don't give the same ressult in every language. In one hand commons should be a multilingual and multimedia bank online, in another hand all is done to not use commons directly... But it's another debate... Florian Farge aka Otourly Sur lesprojets wikimédiens http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Otourly et l'Association française http://www.wikimedia.fr/index.php/Accueil,sur OxyRadio http://www.oxyradio.net/membre-436.html, OSM http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Otourly, et sur MOVIM http://www.movim.eu/ Socio di Wikimedia Italia http://www.wikimedia.it/index.php/Pagina_principale
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *De :* Kilian Kluge <kilian@k-kluge.de> *À :* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 1 Août 2011 13h29 *Objet :* Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september. As far as I know, all monument categories on Commons are in English, at least that's true for all german categories as well. On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com <mailto:jane023@gmail.com>> wrote: Actually, I just made the category for the Austrian monuments and called it Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with the article "Denkmalgeschütztes Objekt" as the main article for the category. I wanted to link to the similar category on Commons, but that is called Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Austria. Why is that in English and not in the native language? Is there a reason for this (perhaps it's a Bot-related reason?) Jane 2011/7/31 Karl Gruber <karl.gruber@mmcx.net <mailto:karl.gruber@mmcx.net>> Hi there, Perhaps it would be better to use as abbreviaton the ISO-3166-1, like AT for Austria and so on and one common common english for each category like monument-AT , -NL, PT and so on K@rl Am 31.07.2011 20:41, schrieb AleXXw:Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite... Greets -- Alex On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com <mailto:jane023@gmail.com>> wrote: Hubert & Bas, I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea after all. After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler". Jane 2011/7/31 Bas vb <bas_v_b@hotmail.com <mailto:bas_v_b@hotmail.com>> isn't a redirect possible? {{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots. Another thing: I've set up http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons_infrastructure#Status_per_country MVg, Bas > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200 > From: hubert.laska@gmx.at <mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at> > To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons, a must have before 1 september. > > we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24 Hours! > Thanks for advice! > > greetings > Hubertl > > Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell: > > Bas, > > Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became > > much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now, > > because I would like to set up a template structure on the english > > wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text from > > your mail to the project page here: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_contribute_to_this_WLM_initiative > > > > Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course I > > hope that the user won't need to type that in by hand, but is there a > > way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the > > Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people > > use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI number). > > > > Jane > > > > 2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska@gmx.at <mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at> <mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at <mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>>> > > > > Austria will have this too until September! > > > > greetings Hubertl > > > > Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb: > > > Hello everybody, > > > > > > Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper > > structure on > > > commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the > > identifiers. > > > Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure > > > (see > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with_known_IDs) > > > - Andorra > > > - Flanders (Belgium) > > > - Estonia > > > - Netherlands > > > - Romania > > > - Spain > > > - Wallonia (Belgium) > > > > > > The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas > > > and countries (whenever possible). > > > Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the identifier > > > as a field) this will provide an easy way to add missing pictures. And > > > well it's one of the requirements that pictures have an identifier. > > > > > > I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't > > have a > > > similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one of > > > the persons who has allready set up a similar structure. You can > > find me > > > on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel > > I'm in > > > #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or with > > > an e-mail. > > > > > > Mvg, > > > > > > Bas > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > > <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > > <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list > WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments > http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu_______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu
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Maarten, congratulations!
Regarding: «Yes, you read it correctly, even if a picture doesn’t get nominated as one of the top-10 of its country, it makes a chance to win the special Art Nouveau prize»
This means all countries should submit *all* photos for evaluation?
There will be no extra effort required (I could see a problem there ;-) ) from local teams other than to just make sure every single submission to your national contest is tagged with the WLM-XX template. Europeana will find a way to identify the relevant images from there.
Lodewijk
2011/7/30 Nuno Tavares nuno.tavares@wikimedia.pt
Maarten, congratulations!
Regarding: «Yes, you read it correctly, even if a picture doesn’t get nominated as one of the top-10 of its country, it makes a chance to win the special Art Nouveau prize»
This means all countries should submit *all* photos for evaluation?
-- Nuno Tavares Wikimedia Portugal http://www.wikimedia.pt
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Em 30-07-2011 17:36, Maarten Dammers escreveu:
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu/2011/07/30/art-nouveau-prize/ :-)
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Great! :)
2011/7/30 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl
http://www.wikilovesmonuments.eu/2011/07/30/art-nouveau-prize/ :-)
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