Thanks for the replies!
Maybe what we need to do here is brush up our English. In my reality, living
in the Netherlands, a "Rijksmonument" is a concept of a building that has a
certain stamp-of-approval from the Dutch government. This building is so
important to the cultural heritage of the country, that they put a
blue-and-white label on it (and a brown label on it, and a white label on
it,.. OK I won't bore you with more details).
I could call this building a "National Heritage Site" using the English term
as it is used in the US, or I could call it a "Listed building" as that term
is used in the UK, but what I really want to call it is a "Rijksmonument",
since that is what the Dutch government and the Dutch tourist offices call
it. Using the Dutch term makes it clear also for people interested in
heritage. I vote to use the Dutch term, and guess what? That is also what
is used on Commons. It may not be strictly English, but it is the
internationally correct term to use, as it is defined in the Netherlands.
Therefore, I vote to call this an English term!!
Ergo, let's do this for all countries (yes even for those cyrillic users!)
Jane
2011/8/1 Otourly Wiki <otourly(a)yahoo.fr>
Yes all commons categories are in English or should be
in English. I still
dream that these categories should be translated with an English base. I'm
speaking about a real translation of categories, not about redirects which
are not a solution.
Because for more efficient search on commons, we currently have to search
on wikipedias and then use the link given by the template commonscat (or
derivative) when it is there.
Direct search don't give the same ressult in every language. In one hand
commons should be a multilingual and multimedia bank online, in another hand
all is done to not use commons directly...
But it's another debate...
Florian Farge aka Otourly
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*De :* Kilian Kluge <kilian(a)k-kluge.de>
*À :* Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition <
wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
*Envoyé le :* Lundi 1 Août 2011 13h29
*Objet :* Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons,
a must have before 1 september.
As far as I know, all monument categories on Commons are in English, at
least that's true for all german categories as well.
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I just made the category for the Austrian monuments and called
it Denkmalgeschütztes Objekte with the article "Denkmalgeschütztes Objekt"
as the main article for the category. I wanted to link to the similar
category on Commons, but that is called Category:Cultural heritage monuments
in Austria.
Why is that in English and not in the native language? Is there a reason
for this (perhaps it's a Bot-related reason?)
Jane
2011/7/31 Karl Gruber <karl.gruber(a)mmcx.net>
Hi there,
Perhaps it would be better to use as abbreviaton the ISO-3166-1, like AT
for Austria and so on and one common common english for each category like
monument-AT , -NL, PT and so on
K@rl
Am 31.07.2011 20:41, schrieb AleXXw:
Hi there, Redirect should not any the problem ;) Most of the templates will
be placed by Bots or German natives, so i think the "Ö" shouldn't be a big
issue. What name would you prefer, {{DOA}} isn't my favorite...
Greets
--
Alex
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 15:51, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hubert & Bas,
I was thinking of DOA for Denmalgeschutste Object of Austria, but that also
is short for "Dead on Arrival". Maybe abbreviations are not a good idea
after all.
After your first reaction Bas, I found another template for this type of
information on the English Wikipedia: Template:Designation. This template is
used by the Historical Sites WIkiproject, and there is some discussion to
use it for the US NRHP wikiproject (National Register of Historic Places). I
think this template is what I was looking for, and so whatever the Bots can
live with on Commons is probably fine. The name may be long, but it
certainly is not ambiguous and everyone can see this is Austria and not
Germany or some other country that refers to monuments as "Denkmaler".
Jane
2011/7/31 Bas vb <bas_v_b(a)hotmail.com>
isn't a redirect possible?
{{DOO}} or something, the most use of the name will be by bots.
Another thing:
I've set up
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011/Commons…
MVg,
Bas
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:42:47 +0200
From: hubert.laska(a)gmx.at
To: wikilovesmonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] Identification structure on Commons,
a must
have before 1 september.
we will rename our "reeeeeeally long Template-name"! Inbetween 24
Hours!
Thanks for advice!
greetings
Hubertl
Am 31.07.2011 10:30, schrieb Jane Darnell:
> Bas,
> Thanks so much for your mail - suddenly the whole template thing became
> much clearer for me! I need to gather all of these templates now,
> because I would like to set up a template structure on the english
> wikipedia like the one for Template:Rijksmonument. I added the text
from
> your mail to the project page here:
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011#How_to_con…
>
> Hubert, I noticed your template has a reeeeeeally long name. Of course
I
> hope that the user won't need to type
that in by hand, but is there a
> way to shorten it up a bit? I want to make a similar template for the
> Austrian monuments on the English wikipedia, and I noticed many people
> use abbreviations for the numbers (in Romania, it's called an LMI
number).
>
> Jane
>
> 2011/7/31 Hubert <hubert.laska(a)gmx.at <mailto:hubert.laska@gmx.at>>
>
> Austria will have this too until September!
>
> greetings Hubertl
>
> Am 30.07.2011 19:02, schrieb Bas vb:
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > Last year we had very much benefits from a good and proper
> structure on
> > commons, important was that we could tag the pictures with the
> identifiers.
> > Currently there are 7 countries/areas which have this structure
> > (see
>
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_with…
)
> > - Andorra
> > - Flanders (Belgium)
> > - Estonia
> > - Netherlands
> > - Romania
> > - Spain
> > - Wallonia (Belgium)
> >
> > The idea is to set up a similar structure for all participating areas
> > and countries (whenever possible).
> > Together with structured tables on the local wiki (with the
identifier
> > as a field) this will provide an easy
way to add missing pictures.
And
> > well it's one of the requirements
that pictures have an identifier.
> >
> > I think it's the best idea when the other countries, which don't
> have a
> > similar structure yet contact me (I'm away from 4-13 august) or one
of
> > the persons who has allready set up a
similar structure. You can
> find me
> > on IRC (name "basvb" if I'm not in the Wikilovesmonumentschannel
> I'm in
> > #wikipedia-nl), on my commons or preferably my nlwiki talkpage or
with
an e-mail.
Mvg,
Bas
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