Hi everybody,
I just noticed I have received on my Commons talk page the "Thank you" message for participating in WLM. The message is (correctly) displayed in Italian but when I click on the survey link I get the English version of the survey. Isn't there a way to get the user to the correct language?
Thank you.
Cristian
Hi Cristian, thanks for the message.
There is a way to do that; I am in the middle of adding the user language parameter to all the language versions of the invitation. The Italian template should now be linking to the Italian version of the survey, and the rest of the languages will follow in a couple of minutes.
Thanks,
On 27/10/12 19:25, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote:
Hi Cristian, thanks for the message.
There is a way to do that; I am in the middle of adding the user language parameter to all the language versions of the invitation. The Italian template should now be linking to the Italian version of the survey, and the rest of the languages will follow in a couple of minutes.
That shouldn't be needed. The survey detects automatically your language from your browser. Cristian, what languages is your browser asking for?
2012/10/27 Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
That shouldn't be needed. The survey detects automatically your language from your browser. Cristian, what languages is your browser asking for?
How can I know that? Where should I look?
Cristian
On 27/10/12 20:52, Cristian Consonni wrote:
2012/10/27 Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
That shouldn't be needed. The survey detects automatically your language from your browser. Cristian, what languages is your browser asking for?
How can I know that? Where should I look?
Cristian
Can you connect to irc? We can probably sort it out easier there.
My browser settings are in English and I just filled out the survey in Dutch, though the thankyou was in English. I looked to see if I could fill out the survey in English, but I didn't see an option for that, though I submitted files to the US WLM competition (as well as NL, FR, and DE) Jane
2012/10/27 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 27/10/12 20:52, Cristian Consonni wrote:
2012/10/27 Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
That shouldn't be needed. The survey detects automatically your language from your browser. Cristian, what languages is your browser asking for?
How can I know that? Where should I look?
Cristian
Can you connect to irc? We can probably sort it out easier there.
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On 28/10/12 12:39, Jane Darnell wrote:
My browser settings are in English and I just filled out the survey in Dutch, though the thankyou was in English. I looked to see if I could fill out the survey in English, but I didn't see an option for that, though I submitted files to the US WLM competition (as well as NL, FR, and DE) Jane
If you have your commons settings in Dutch, the link of the template will have sent you to the survey in Dutch (odder changed that). The template is the same in English, Dutch, French or German. They are the same questions translated. If you participated in several country competitions, you only need to fill the survey once. You can also fill in the free-text answers in any language you want (it's then our problem to figure out what that mean).
Besides, the survey has links in the sidebar to change the language it is shown. Although nobody seems to be discovering them. :(
Thanks for the quick reply! My preferences on commons are in English, as are my preferences in Google chrome (my browser of choice). I checked the link again and just noticed the languages on the left. I guess I was expecting a non-wiki survey site.
Just to be clear, this was my second WLM survey - I filled out another (from an MIT student?) last week. That was in English, which was why I was surprised. I can't remember what language I used last year. Jane
2012/10/28 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 28/10/12 12:39, Jane Darnell wrote:
My browser settings are in English and I just filled out the survey in Dutch, though the thankyou was in English. I looked to see if I could fill out the survey in English, but I didn't see an option for that, though I submitted files to the US WLM competition (as well as NL, FR, and DE) Jane
If you have your commons settings in Dutch, the link of the template will have sent you to the survey in Dutch (odder changed that). The template is the same in English, Dutch, French or German. They are the same questions translated. If you participated in several country competitions, you only need to fill the survey once. You can also fill in the free-text answers in any language you want (it's then our problem to figure out what that mean).
Besides, the survey has links in the sidebar to change the language it is shown. Although nobody seems to be discovering them. :(
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On 28 October 2012 18:17, Jane Darnell wrote:
Just to be clear, this was my second WLM survey - I filled out another (from an MIT student?) last week. That was in English, which was why I was surprised. I can't remember what language I used last year.
We did not organise any other surveys.
Hi Jane,
Op 28-10-2012 18:17, Jane Darnell schreef:
Just to be clear, this was my second WLM survey - I filled out another (from an MIT student?) last week. That was in English, which was why I was surprised. I can't remember what language I used last year.
Excuse me? You filled out another survey from a MIT student? I don't know about such a survey. Where is it? How did this student contact you? Are you sure you're not mixing things up?
Maarten
Yup. When I get behind my other machine I will send the link. It's nothing strange, just a one- person study, I think
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi Jane,
Op 28-10-2012 18:17, Jane Darnell schreef:
Just to be clear, this was my second WLM survey - I filled out another (from an MIT student?) last week. That was in English, which was why I was surprised. I can't remember what language I used last year.
Excuse me? You filled out another survey from a MIT student? I don't know about such a survey. Where is it? How did this student contact you? Are you sure you're not mixing things up?
Maarten
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On 28/10/12 18:17, Jane Darnell wrote:
Thanks for the quick reply! My preferences on commons are in English, as are my preferences in Google chrome (my browser of choice).
(If you are still seeing the in Dutch...) Are you sure your browser is asking for web pages to be in English? Note that this preference (Accept language) is a different one than the interface language of your browser.
I checked the link again and just noticed the languages on the left. I guess I was expecting a non-wiki survey site.
It is not really a wiki, it is only skinned to look like the wiki. :) Much better experience than a foreign interface, IMHO.
I don't see an "accept language" choice, but I see under my "wrench" in Google chrome settings/languages that I have English (United States), Dutch, and English (in that order).
2012/10/28 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 28/10/12 18:17, Jane Darnell wrote:
Thanks for the quick reply! My preferences on commons are in English, as are my preferences in Google chrome (my browser of choice).
(If you are still seeing the in Dutch...) Are you sure your browser is asking for web pages to be in English? Note that this preference (Accept language) is a different one than the interface language of your browser.
I checked the link again and just noticed the languages on the left. I guess I was expecting a non-wiki survey site.
It is not really a wiki, it is only skinned to look like the wiki. :) Much better experience than a foreign interface, IMHO.
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Jane Darnell wrote:
I don't see an "accept language" choice, but I see under my "wrench" in Google chrome settings/languages that I have English (United States), Dutch, and English (in that order).
Accept language is the internal name. Each browser then hides it in a different place in the UI (although it does seem to be in "wrench", Configuration, Advanced settings, Languages).
What does this page show you? http://toolserver.org/~platonides/sandbox/language.php
Cristian Consonni wrote:
What about adding links on top of the page (like this[1], for example)?
That's an option. I also considered to show a message when someone is using the browser interface in a different language than what he is browsing. Quite sad, though.
2012/10/29 Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
Cristian Consonni wrote:
What about adding links on top of the page (like this[1], for example)?
That's an option. I also considered to show a message when someone is using the browser interface in a different language than what he is browsing. Quite sad, though.
I was suggesting that only to make it more visible. I think that if someone has set a language in his browser (s)he is anyway comfortable with that language. Maybe it could help to specify in the introduction that one needs to fill the survey only once in his language of choice.
Cristian
en-US,nl-NL;q=0.8,nl;q=0.6,en;q=0.4
2012/10/29 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
Jane Darnell wrote:
I don't see an "accept language" choice, but I see under my "wrench" in Google chrome settings/languages that I have English (United States), Dutch, and English (in that order).
Accept language is the internal name. Each browser then hides it in a different place in the UI (although it does seem to be in "wrench", Configuration, Advanced settings, Languages).
What does this page show you? http://toolserver.org/~platonides/sandbox/language.php
Cristian Consonni wrote:
What about adding links on top of the page (like this[1], for example)?
That's an option. I also considered to show a message when someone is using the browser interface in a different language than what he is browsing. Quite sad, though.
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I see your problem now. Those settings roughly match what you mentioned. First it wants US English, then Dutch of the Netherlands, then any kind of Dutch and finally any kind of English.
We don't have the survey in US English nor a translation in the variant of Dutch spoken in the Netherlands, so it goes through to the (generic) Dutch. I should had noticed that earlier from your explanation of what your settings are.
You actually told us that you prefered Dutch than (non-US-localised) English so that was what you were given.
Regards
On 29/10/12 13:57, Jane Darnell wrote:
en-US,nl-NL;q=0.8,nl;q=0.6,en;q=0.4
2012/10/29 Platonides:
Jane Darnell wrote: > I don't see an "accept language" choice, but I see under my "wrench" in > Google chrome settings/languages that I have English (United States), > Dutch, and English (in that order).
Thanks for clearing that up! I was wondering how it was possible (and of course was worried that maybe others were seeing undesirable languages). Jane
2012/10/29 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
I see your problem now. Those settings roughly match what you mentioned. First it wants US English, then Dutch of the Netherlands, then any kind of Dutch and finally any kind of English.
We don't have the survey in US English nor a translation in the variant of Dutch spoken in the Netherlands, so it goes through to the (generic) Dutch. I should had noticed that earlier from your explanation of what your settings are.
You actually told us that you prefered Dutch than (non-US-localised) English so that was what you were given.
Regards
On 29/10/12 13:57, Jane Darnell wrote:
en-US,nl-NL;q=0.8,nl;q=0.6,en;q=0.4
2012/10/29 Platonides:
Jane Darnell wrote: > I don't see an "accept language" choice, but I see under my "wrench" in > Google chrome settings/languages that I have English (UnitedStates),
> Dutch, and English (in that order).
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On 29/10/12 21:55, Jane Darnell wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up! I was wondering how it was possible (and of course was worried that maybe others were seeing undesirable languages). Jane
I'm happy to do that. Things should "just work", but if they don't, it's worth digging trying to find out the reason for the alleged misbehavior.
In this case your language preferences were a bit illogical, since you prefered US English to Dutch but then any kind of English less than that. As a general rule, I don't think it makes much sense to have a completely different language with a weight which places it in the midst of the preference for different variants of one language family. There are some cases where it could made sense, if the first variant is very different than the language specified by the generic tag. But en-us and en is not such case.
I started logging accept-language pairs this morning, as well as the language on which the survey was shown to them. In most cases it is what should have been done from looking at the whole accept-language, headers. I haven't seen other "shuffled" requests, but I see a number of requests done for a language tag (en-za, fr-FR, es-ES, es-CL, es-mx...) which don't include the parent tag. So the language choice algorithm, not being able to match to any accepted language, ends up showing it in English as last resort. In most cases, the link followed from Wikimedia Commons based on the local language has fixed this problem. I will add another check of partial strings to cover those cases. But it's the User Agent task to instruct the user to make sane decisions, not the application.
From section 14.4 of rfc2616 [1]: Note: When making the choice of linguistic preference available to the user, we remind implementors of the fact that users are not familiar with the details of language matching as described above, and should provide appropriate guidance. As an example, users might assume that on selecting "en-gb", they will be served any kind of English document if British English is not available. A user agent might suggest in such a case to add "en" to get the best matching behavior.
There's some buggy browser out there regarding this. It is very unlikely that so many users misconfigured their browser in this way.
I have added some more logging code and I'll try to catch the guilty UAs.
1- http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#page-105
PS: We are at 1254 answers!
Interesting reading, thanks for that analysis. I do prefer US-oriented news (like the NYtimes most-emailed-list) above other English, and I prefer NL Dutch above other English, so I guess it makes sense. The odd thing I asked myself was if my answers would have been different in English... I suppose my experience with uploading the US images was significantly different from uploading the Dutch ones, just because the identifier lookup method was so different.
Great results!! How many responses did we get last year?
2012/10/29 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 29/10/12 21:55, Jane Darnell wrote:
Thanks for clearing that up! I was wondering how it was possible (and of course was worried that maybe others were seeing undesirable languages). Jane
I'm happy to do that. Things should "just work", but if they don't, it's worth digging trying to find out the reason for the alleged misbehavior.
In this case your language preferences were a bit illogical, since you prefered US English to Dutch but then any kind of English less than that. As a general rule, I don't think it makes much sense to have a completely different language with a weight which places it in the midst of the preference for different variants of one language family. There are some cases where it could made sense, if the first variant is very different than the language specified by the generic tag. But en-us and en is not such case.
I started logging accept-language pairs this morning, as well as the language on which the survey was shown to them. In most cases it is what should have been done from looking at the whole accept-language, headers. I haven't seen other "shuffled" requests, but I see a number of requests done for a language tag (en-za, fr-FR, es-ES, es-CL, es-mx...) which don't include the parent tag. So the language choice algorithm, not being able to match to any accepted language, ends up showing it in English as last resort. In most cases, the link followed from Wikimedia Commons based on the local language has fixed this problem. I will add another check of partial strings to cover those cases. But it's the User Agent task to instruct the user to make sane decisions, not the application.
From section 14.4 of rfc2616 [1]:
Note: When making the choice of linguistic preference available to the user, we remind implementors of the fact that users are not familiar with the details of language matching as described above, and should provide appropriate guidance. As an example, users might assume that on selecting "en-gb", they will be served any kind of English document if British English is not available. A user agent might suggest in such a case to add "en" to get the best matching behavior.
There's some buggy browser out there regarding this. It is very unlikely that so many users misconfigured their browser in this way.
I have added some more logging code and I'll try to catch the guilty UAs.
1- http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#page-105
PS: We are at 1254 answers!
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
On 30/10/12 08:30, Jane Darnell wrote:
Interesting reading, thanks for that analysis. I do prefer US-oriented news (like the NYtimes most-emailed-list) above other English, and I prefer NL Dutch above other English, so I guess it makes sense.
I find strange that it is used for showing news intended for one or other countries. The accept-language header should not be used to determine the locale [1] (or at least not be the sole way to do it). But if that config is ok for you, just use it. Just be aware of the semantics.
1- http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-accept-lang-locales
The odd thing I asked myself was if my answers would have been different in English... I suppose my experience with uploading the US images was significantly different from uploading the Dutch ones, just because the identifier lookup method was so different.
We expected you to talk about both your Dutch and US experiences :) I guess there may be some bias there for multi-country uploaders.
I took a look and we currently have 156 people claimng to have uploaded from several countries out of 1293 answers.
In some cases they are claiming where it's only one: "it,other | Italia", "ar,other | Argentina", "nl,other | Nederland". In others I wonder how they managed to choose "Ukraine" (written just above "United States") fill "other" (written just below) and yet not see the United States checkbox: "ua,other | United States". Maybe they thought they were clicking "United States". :/
Other people may have thought we asked about the photos uploaded to Commons or the photos they had in their computers, instead of WLM ones: "ca,fr,de,it,es,ua,us,other | Grèce, DOM (France) , Turquie , Portugal"
We also had three people marking the 35 countries (and another, 32). I am a bit skeptical of those. Can anyone translate «Dla wszystkich, które chciałyby skorzystać (co wiąże się z licencją cc by-sa)» ?
Great results!! How many responses did we get last year?
After removing duplicates, 784. We will easily double that.
Regards
Hi all, sorry for not reading the whole conversation, maybe I missed what I'm going to ask you:
is the survey only Commons-based? I was thinking that it would maybe good to involve chapter/organizing teams to spread the survey. Has someone already done it?
Thanks
Aubrey
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/10/12 08:30, Jane Darnell wrote:
Interesting reading, thanks for that analysis. I do prefer US-oriented news (like the NYtimes most-emailed-list) above other English, and I prefer NL Dutch above other English, so I guess it makes sense.
I find strange that it is used for showing news intended for one or other countries. The accept-language header should not be used to determine the locale [1] (or at least not be the sole way to do it). But if that config is ok for you, just use it. Just be aware of the semantics.
1- http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-accept-lang-locales
The odd thing I asked myself was if my answers would have been different in English... I suppose my experience with uploading the US images was significantly different from uploading the Dutch ones, just because the identifier lookup method was so different.
We expected you to talk about both your Dutch and US experiences :) I guess there may be some bias there for multi-country uploaders.
I took a look and we currently have 156 people claimng to have uploaded from several countries out of 1293 answers.
In some cases they are claiming where it's only one: "it,other | Italia", "ar,other | Argentina", "nl,other | Nederland". In others I wonder how they managed to choose "Ukraine" (written just above "United States") fill "other" (written just below) and yet not see the United States checkbox: "ua,other | United States". Maybe they thought they were clicking "United States". :/
Other people may have thought we asked about the photos uploaded to Commons or the photos they had in their computers, instead of WLM ones: "ca,fr,de,it,es,ua,us,other | Grèce, DOM (France) , Turquie , Portugal"
We also had three people marking the 35 countries (and another, 32). I am a bit skeptical of those. Can anyone translate «Dla wszystkich, które chciałyby skorzystać (co wiąże się z licencją cc by-sa)» ?
Great results!! How many responses did we get last year?
After removing duplicates, 784. We will easily double that.
Regards
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Hey Andrea,
Please feel free to spread the survey. We posted the survey to the talkpage of every participant on commons, so assumed that they would get notified by email thanks to that.
Please note that this survey is focused on participants though. A more general organizational survey will follow in one/two weeks once the juries are finished :)
Lodewijk
2012/10/30 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com
Hi all, sorry for not reading the whole conversation, maybe I missed what I'm going to ask you:
is the survey only Commons-based? I was thinking that it would maybe good to involve chapter/organizing teams to spread the survey. Has someone already done it?
Thanks
Aubrey
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/10/12 08:30, Jane Darnell wrote:
Interesting reading, thanks for that analysis. I do prefer US-oriented news (like the NYtimes most-emailed-list) above other English, and I prefer NL Dutch above other English, so I guess it makes sense.
I find strange that it is used for showing news intended for one or other countries. The accept-language header should not be used to determine the locale [1] (or at least not be the sole way to do it). But if that config is ok for you, just use it. Just be aware of the semantics.
1- http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-accept-lang-locales
The odd thing I asked myself was if my answers would have been different in English... I suppose my experience with uploading the US images was significantly different from uploading the Dutch ones, just because the identifier lookup method was so different.
We expected you to talk about both your Dutch and US experiences :) I guess there may be some bias there for multi-country uploaders.
I took a look and we currently have 156 people claimng to have uploaded from several countries out of 1293 answers.
In some cases they are claiming where it's only one: "it,other | Italia", "ar,other | Argentina", "nl,other | Nederland". In others I wonder how they managed to choose "Ukraine" (written just above "United States") fill "other" (written just below) and yet not see the United States checkbox: "ua,other | United States". Maybe they thought they were clicking "United States". :/
Other people may have thought we asked about the photos uploaded to Commons or the photos they had in their computers, instead of WLM ones: "ca,fr,de,it,es,ua,us,other | Grèce, DOM (France) , Turquie , Portugal"
We also had three people marking the 35 countries (and another, 32). I am a bit skeptical of those. Can anyone translate «Dla wszystkich, które chciałyby skorzystać (co wiąże się z licencją cc by-sa)» ?
Great results!! How many responses did we get last year?
After removing duplicates, 784. We will easily double that.
Regards
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Interesting to see that over 10% of the respondents contributed to more than one country (or at least they indicated that). I can't wait to find out if these are the "hard-core" wikipedians (I think we got a lot of those participating) or mostly newbies. It would be exciting to think that people are willing to jump through hoops to share cultural heritage outside of their home area.
2012/10/30 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
Hey Andrea,
Please feel free to spread the survey. We posted the survey to the talkpage of every participant on commons, so assumed that they would get notified by email thanks to that.
Please note that this survey is focused on participants though. A more general organizational survey will follow in one/two weeks once the juries are finished :)
Lodewijk
2012/10/30 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com
Hi all, sorry for not reading the whole conversation, maybe I missed what I'm going to ask you:
is the survey only Commons-based? I was thinking that it would maybe good to involve chapter/organizing teams to spread the survey. Has someone already done it?
Thanks
Aubrey
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Platonides platonides@gmail.comwrote:
On 30/10/12 08:30, Jane Darnell wrote:
Interesting reading, thanks for that analysis. I do prefer US-oriented news (like the NYtimes most-emailed-list) above other English, and I prefer NL Dutch above other English, so I guess it makes sense.
I find strange that it is used for showing news intended for one or other countries. The accept-language header should not be used to determine the locale [1] (or at least not be the sole way to do it). But if that config is ok for you, just use it. Just be aware of the semantics.
1- http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-accept-lang-locales
The odd thing I asked myself was if my answers would have been different in English... I suppose my experience with uploading the US images was significantly different from uploading the Dutch ones, just because the identifier lookup method was so different.
We expected you to talk about both your Dutch and US experiences :) I guess there may be some bias there for multi-country uploaders.
I took a look and we currently have 156 people claimng to have uploaded from several countries out of 1293 answers.
In some cases they are claiming where it's only one: "it,other | Italia", "ar,other | Argentina", "nl,other | Nederland". In others I wonder how they managed to choose "Ukraine" (written just above "United States") fill "other" (written just below) and yet not see the United States checkbox: "ua,other | United States". Maybe they thought they were clicking "United States". :/
Other people may have thought we asked about the photos uploaded to Commons or the photos they had in their computers, instead of WLM ones: "ca,fr,de,it,es,ua,us,other | Grèce, DOM (France) , Turquie , Portugal"
We also had three people marking the 35 countries (and another, 32). I am a bit skeptical of those. Can anyone translate «Dla wszystkich, które chciałyby skorzystać (co wiąże się z licencją cc by-sa)» ?
Great results!! How many responses did we get last year?
After removing duplicates, 784. We will easily double that.
Regards
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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On 30/10/12 12:24, Jane Darnell wrote:
Interesting to see that over 10% of the respondents contributed to more than one country (or at least they indicated that). I can't wait to find out if these are the "hard-core" wikipedians (I think we got a lot of those participating) or mostly newbies. It would be exciting to think that people are willing to jump through hoops to share cultural heritage outside of their home area.
Of 157 multicountry answers (including the fake ones):
+--------------+----------+ | wikiedit | count(*) | +--------------+----------+ | not answered | 1 | | sporadically | 29 | | regularly | 61 | | never | 66 | +--------------+----------+
(select wikiedit, count(*) from survey_wlm2012 where FIND_IN_SET(countries_uploaded, countries_uploaded) = 0 group by wikiedit)
Platonides, I notice now that my question was not clear. i would be interested to know how many italians did answer (maybe is good to send a mail to all if there are few of them) (i'm sure others would be pleased to know how many users in their nation did reply)
Aubrey
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/10/12 12:24, Jane Darnell wrote:
Interesting to see that over 10% of the respondents contributed to more than one country (or at least they indicated that). I can't wait to find out if these are the "hard-core" wikipedians (I think we got a lot of those participating) or mostly newbies. It would be exciting to think that people are willing to jump through hoops to share cultural heritage outside of their home area.
Of 157 multicountry answers (including the fake ones):
+--------------+----------+ | wikiedit | count(*) | +--------------+----------+ | not answered | 1 | | sporadically | 29 | | regularly | 61 | | never | 66 | +--------------+----------+
(select wikiedit, count(*) from survey_wlm2012 where FIND_IN_SET(countries_uploaded, countries_uploaded) = 0 group by wikiedit)
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On 30/10/12 17:39, Andrea Zanni wrote:
Platonides, I notice now that my question was not clear. i would be interested to know how many italians did answer (maybe is good to send a mail to all if there are few of them) (i'm sure others would be pleased to know how many users in their nation did reply)
Aubrey
85 users said they are living on Italy. 93 users affirmed to have uploaded photos of italian monuments.
As 820 users uploaded photos of italian monuments, this is a survey filling of ~11% Globally, less than 8.5% of wlm participants filled the survey (1329 answers / 15666 participants).
That is so cool! And I wonder if the android app helped. Almost a quarter of the multi- country uploaders were newbies? Amazing
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On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:34 PM, Platonides platonides@gmail.com wrote:
On 30/10/12 12:24, Jane Darnell wrote:
Interesting to see that over 10% of the respondents contributed to more than one country (or at least they indicated that). I can't wait to find out if these are the "hard-core" wikipedians (I think we got a lot of those participating) or mostly newbies. It would be exciting to think that people are willing to jump through hoops to share cultural heritage outside of their home area.
Of 157 multicountry answers (including the fake ones):
+--------------+----------+ | wikiedit | count(*) | +--------------+----------+ | not answered | 1 | | sporadically | 29 | | regularly | 61 | | never | 66 | +--------------+----------+
(select wikiedit, count(*) from survey_wlm2012 where FIND_IN_SET(countries_uploaded, countries_uploaded) = 0 group by wikiedit)
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2012/10/31 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
That is so cool! And I wonder if the android app helped. Almost a quarter of the multi- country uploaders were newbies? Amazing
It would be really really cool if the app could notify the presence of a survey and collect the results, but it is probably out of its scope...
Cristian
On 09/11/12 14:06, Cristian Consonni wrote:
2012/10/31 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com:
That is so cool! And I wonder if the android app helped. Almost a quarter of the multi- country uploaders were newbies? Amazing
It would be really really cool if the app could notify the presence of a survey and collect the results, but it is probably out of its scope...
Cristian
I'm not so sure. The downside is that now that WLM has finished, I don't think the users will be opening the app, but it's worth opening a bug for that anyway, so it can be implemented next year. As well as getting a notification in the app if you have new talk page messages (I don't think it does, but I haven't tested).
Hi Jane,
could you provide a link to more information about that first survey? I'm a bit surprised that someone organized a survey like that without contacting us at all... (and quite inpolite at the least)
Thanks,
Lodewijk
2012/10/28 Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com
Thanks for the quick reply! My preferences on commons are in English, as are my preferences in Google chrome (my browser of choice). I checked the link again and just noticed the languages on the left. I guess I was expecting a non-wiki survey site.
Just to be clear, this was my second WLM survey - I filled out another (from an MIT student?) last week. That was in English, which was why I was surprised. I can't remember what language I used last year. Jane
2012/10/28 Platonides platonides@gmail.com
On 28/10/12 12:39, Jane Darnell wrote:
My browser settings are in English and I just filled out the survey in Dutch, though the thankyou was in English. I looked to see if I could fill out the survey in English, but I didn't see an option for that, though I submitted files to the US WLM competition (as well as NL, FR, and DE) Jane
If you have your commons settings in Dutch, the link of the template will have sent you to the survey in Dutch (odder changed that). The template is the same in English, Dutch, French or German. They are the same questions translated. If you participated in several country competitions, you only need to fill the survey once. You can also fill in the free-text answers in any language you want (it's then our problem to figure out what that mean).
Besides, the survey has links in the sidebar to change the language it is shown. Although nobody seems to be discovering them. :(
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Here's the email for the other survey (looked innocent enough to me!):
Dear Jane,
We are a group of researchers at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. We are interested in the impact of copyright free media on a variety of different industries. In my current project our team is studying the impact that Wikipedia Loves Monuments and other similar projects that make free images of geographic places are having on our society. With a view to better understanding how such projects work and how exactly they achieve their objectives. We are interested in interviewing certain key Wikipedians that make such projects possible.
I am writing this email to see if you would be willing to be interviewed to guide us in conducting in our research. I am including a link to a Google form with 6 (short) questions about WLM. Your replies would be invaluable in helping us understand how free media is transforming one important sector of our economy – tourism, and helping people discover new monuments and places of interest.
You can find the interview questions here :https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/embeddedform?formkey=dFUtZ0x2ejVMZHFFWmd...
Thank you again for reading this email and looking forward to receiving your replies.
Yunzhi Gao
2012/10/28 Platonides platonides@gmail.com:
Besides, the survey has links in the sidebar to change the language it is shown. Although nobody seems to be discovering them. :(
What about adding links on top of the page (like this[1], for example)?
Cristian
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