Hi Cristian, thanks for the message. There is a way to do that; I am in the middle of adding the user language parameter to all the language versions of the invitation. The Italian template should now be linking to the Italian version of the survey, and the rest of the languages will follow in a couple of minutes.

2012/10/27 Platonides <platonides(a)gmail.com>om>: How can I know that? Where should I look? Cristian

My browser settings are in English and I just filled out the survey in Dutch, though the thankyou was in English. I looked to see if I could fill out the survey in English, but I didn't see an option for that, though I submitted files to the US WLM competition (as well as NL, FR, and DE) Jane

Just to be clear, this was my second WLM survey - I filled out another (from an MIT student?) last week. That was in English, which was why I was surprised. I can't remember what language I used last year.

Thanks for the quick reply! My preferences on commons are in English, as are my preferences in Google chrome (my browser of choice).

I checked the link again and just noticed the languages on the left. I guess I was expecting a non-wiki survey site.

Thanks for the quick reply! My preferences on commons are in English, as are my preferences in Google chrome (my browser of choice). I checked the link again and just noticed the languages on the left. I guess I was expecting a non-wiki survey site. Just to be clear, this was my second WLM survey - I filled out another (from an MIT student?) last week. That was in English, which was why I was surprised. I can't remember what language I used last year. Jane 2012/10/28 Platonides <platonides(a)gmail.com> _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

On 28/10/12 18:17, Jane Darnell wrote: (If you are still seeing the in Dutch...) Are you sure your browser is asking for web pages to be in English? Note that this preference (Accept language) is a different one than the interface language of your browser. It is not really a wiki, it is only skinned to look like the wiki. :) Much better experience than a foreign interface, IMHO. _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

I don't see an "accept language" choice, but I see under my "wrench" in Google chrome settings/languages that I have English (United States), Dutch, and English (in that order).

What about adding links on top of the page (like this[1], for example)?

Jane Darnell wrote: Accept language is the internal name. Each browser then hides it in a different place in the UI (although it does seem to be in "wrench", Configuration, Advanced settings, Languages). What does this page show you? http://toolserver.org/~platonides/sandbox/language.php Cristian Consonni wrote: That's an option. I also considered to show a message when someone is using the browser interface in a different language than what he is browsing. Quite sad, though. _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

I see your problem now. Those settings roughly match what you mentioned. First it wants US English, then Dutch of the Netherlands, then any kind of Dutch and finally any kind of English. We don't have the survey in US English nor a translation in the variant of Dutch spoken in the Netherlands, so it goes through to the (generic) Dutch. I should had noticed that earlier from your explanation of what your settings are. You actually told us that you prefered Dutch than (non-US-localised) English so that was what you were given. Regards On 29/10/12 13:57, Jane Darnell wrote: States), _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

On 29/10/12 21:55, Jane Darnell wrote: I'm happy to do that. Things should "just work", but if they don't, it's worth digging trying to find out the reason for the alleged misbehavior. In this case your language preferences were a bit illogical, since you prefered US English to Dutch but then any kind of English less than that. As a general rule, I don't think it makes much sense to have a completely different language with a weight which places it in the midst of the preference for different variants of one language family. There are some cases where it could made sense, if the first variant is very different than the language specified by the generic tag. But en-us and en is not such case. I started logging accept-language pairs this morning, as well as the language on which the survey was shown to them. In most cases it is what should have been done from looking at the whole accept-language, headers. I haven't seen other "shuffled" requests, but I see a number of requests done for a language tag (en-za, fr-FR, es-ES, es-CL, es-mx...) which don't include the parent tag. So the language choice algorithm, not being able to match to any accepted language, ends up showing it in English as last resort. In most cases, the link followed from Wikimedia Commons based on the local language has fixed this problem. I will add another check of partial strings to cover those cases. But it's the User Agent task to instruct the user to make sane decisions, not the application. From section 14.4 of rfc2616 [1]: There's some buggy browser out there regarding this. It is very unlikely that so many users misconfigured their browser in this way. I have added some more logging code and I'll try to catch the guilty UAs. 1- http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#page-105 PS: We are at 1254 answers! _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

On 30/10/12 08:30, Jane Darnell wrote: I find strange that it is used for showing news intended for one or other countries. The accept-language header should not be used to determine the locale [1] (or at least not be the sole way to do it). But if that config is ok for you, just use it. Just be aware of the semantics. 1- http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-accept-lang-locales We expected you to talk about both your Dutch and US experiences :) I guess there may be some bias there for multi-country uploaders. I took a look and we currently have 156 people claimng to have uploaded from several countries out of 1293 answers. In some cases they are claiming where it's only one: "it,other | Italia", "ar,other | Argentina", "nl,other | Nederland". In others I wonder how they managed to choose "Ukraine" (written just above "United States") fill "other" (written just below) and yet not see the United States checkbox: "ua,other | United States". Maybe they thought they were clicking "United States". :/ Other people may have thought we asked about the photos uploaded to Commons or the photos they had in their computers, instead of WLM ones: "ca,fr,de,it,es,ua,us,other | Grèce, DOM (France) , Turquie , Portugal" We also had three people marking the 35 countries (and another, 32). I am a bit skeptical of those. Can anyone translate «Dla wszystkich, które chciałyby skorzystać (co wiąże się z licencją cc by-sa)» ? After removing duplicates, 784. We will easily double that. Regards _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

Hey Andrea, Please feel free to spread the survey. We posted the survey to the talkpage of every participant on commons, so assumed that they would get notified by email thanks to that. Please note that this survey is focused on participants though. A more general organizational survey will follow in one/two weeks once the juries are finished :) Lodewijk 2012/10/30 Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84(a)gmail.com> _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

On 30/10/12 12:24, Jane Darnell wrote: Of 157 multicountry answers (including the fake ones): +--------------+----------+ | wikiedit | count(*) | +--------------+----------+ | not answered | 1 | | sporadically | 29 | | regularly | 61 | | never | 66 | +--------------+----------+ (select wikiedit, count(*) from survey_wlm2012 where FIND_IN_SET(countries_uploaded, countries_uploaded) = 0 group by wikiedit) _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

On 30/10/12 12:24, Jane Darnell wrote: Of 157 multicountry answers (including the fake ones): +--------------+----------+ | wikiedit | count(*) | +--------------+----------+ | not answered | 1 | | sporadically | 29 | | regularly | 61 | | never | 66 | +--------------+----------+ (select wikiedit, count(*) from survey_wlm2012 where FIND_IN_SET(countries_uploaded, countries_uploaded) = 0 group by wikiedit) _______________________________________________ Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org

2012/10/31 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>om>: It would be really really cool if the app could notify the presence of a survey and collect the results, but it is probably out of its scope... Cristian