I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
Pete User:Smallbones
We are sharing with the privacy policy right now. There's probably no flexibility there - the WMF really likes its silly banners. Like anyone in the public actually cares about our privacy policy - Facebook's is the only one that matters to anyone. Rants aside, I think we just need something that is clearer - Wiki Loves Monuments: Historic sites, photos, and prizes! means nothing - we need a verb to fix this. Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 12:41:30 -0400 From: pdekman@gmail.com To: wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
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On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:45 AM, User Mono usermono@outlook.com wrote:
We are sharing with the privacy policy right now. There's probably no flexibility there - the WMF really likes its silly banners. Like anyone in the public actually *cares* about our privacy policy - Facebook's is the only one that matters to anyone.
Not to be too contrarian, but this is arguably exactly why the Privacy Policy discussion is important. We're one of the few large web properties where users care about it -- over 40,000 words of discussionhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Privacy_policyso far and we're only a week into the 4 month review.
:)
The Privacy Policy banners will be coming down in 4 days.
I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control,
I don't know if my personal story means anything, but last year I was so excited about the novelty of the competition, I took and uploaded a lot more photos than I did this year. Some of the buzz wore off. I still haven't uploaded a single photo this year, though I have a few hundred that need to get up before the contest finishes. I think there still might be a big rush at the end that will compensate for the current lull.
e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
Pete User:Smallbones
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I think, beside many other factors, the weather is also one (which is outside of our control). In the last few days it was really cool and rainy in Hungary and its surrounds, and in countries where there was no previous (before September) campaign for the competition only a suddenly announcement few days ago (like in Hungary), people can't or don't want to go out taking pictures.
Samat
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Peter Ekman pdekman@gmail.com wrote:
I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
Pete User:Smallbones
We have been noticing a drop off new participant and participation in France too, however it's pretty hard to understand the factor < http://commonists.org/db/wlm/stats.html%3E. As said by Samat it might be due to the poor weather during the last week-end.
It was suggested to change the wording of the banner, to attract new users.
2013/9/11 Samat samat78@gmail.com
I think, beside many other factors, the weather is also one (which is outside of our control). In the last few days it was really cool and rainy in Hungary and its surrounds, and in countries where there was no previous (before September) campaign for the competition only a suddenly announcement few days ago (like in Hungary), people can't or don't want to go out taking pictures.
Samat
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Peter Ekman pdekman@gmail.com wrote:
I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
Pete User:Smallbones
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Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote:
I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
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I think there are two major factors in our image count:
1) new participants, people who never edited before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design.
I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
*"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia"* and *"It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote:
I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
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(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited before.
- super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design.
I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
*"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia"* and *"It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"*
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote:
I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
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Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Romaine
-------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count: 1) new participants, people who never edited before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
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On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.comwrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
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As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com wrote: Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.comwrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
Wlm2013-l mailing list Wlm2013-l@wikimedia.org.uk http://lists.wikimedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wlm2013-l
To me, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
*Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.comwrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
Wlm2013-l mailing list Wlm2013-l@wikimedia.org.uk http://lists.wikimedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wlm2013-l
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
Michael
On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
To me, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
Osmar Valdebenito G. Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote: As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com wrote: Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
Wlm2013-l mailing list Wlm2013-l@wikimedia.org.uk http://lists.wikimedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wlm2013-l
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we don't all get?
Matthew
Sent from a mobile communication device.
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
Michael
On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
To me, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
Osmar Valdebenito G. Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com wrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
Wlm2013-l mailing list Wlm2013-l@wikimedia.org.uk http://lists.wikimedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wlm2013-l
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
"Where have you been" as in "what lovely places have you visited?", not "why haven't you uploaded anything?".
On 19 September 2013 17:16, Matthew Roth Wikimedia mroth@wikimedia.org wrote:
I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we don't all get?
Matthew
Sent from a mobile communication device.
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
Michael
On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
To me, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
Osmar Valdebenito G. Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com wrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
Wlm2013-l mailing list Wlm2013-l@wikimedia.org.uk http://lists.wikimedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wlm2013-l
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
By the way, quite some suggestions have been made on https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu... - I would hope that more people take a look at it there, and discuss specific suggestions there too.
Lodewijk
2013/9/19 Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk
"Where have you been" as in "what lovely places have you visited?", not "why haven't you uploaded anything?".
On 19 September 2013 17:16, Matthew Roth Wikimedia mroth@wikimedia.org wrote:
I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we
don't
all get?
Matthew
Sent from a mobile communication device.
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not
work
in other languages.
Michael
On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
To me, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
Osmar Valdebenito G. Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
(who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the
the
text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com wrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
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Maybe it's too British :(
Let's try for something else, then. But please can we do it quickly so that we can update the message soon (say by Saturday)?
Please comment at https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
and we will make a community decision there.
Michael
On 19 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Lodewijk wrote:
By the way, quite some suggestions have been made on https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu... - I would hope that more people take a look at it there, and discuss specific suggestions there too.
Lodewijk
2013/9/19 Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk "Where have you been" as in "what lovely places have you visited?", not "why haven't you uploaded anything?".
On 19 September 2013 17:16, Matthew Roth Wikimedia mroth@wikimedia.org wrote:
I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we don't all get?
Matthew
Sent from a mobile communication device.
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
Michael
On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
To me, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
Osmar Valdebenito G. Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com wrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
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I must admit 'where have you been' did not come across as rude to me. It's something you say to an old friend when you're pleased to see them.
However, this conversation does show that the phrase carries different connotations in different countries. As the English-language banner can't be changed for just the UK, perhaps a different wording should be sought.
I think changing the central notice is worthwhile to motivate people to take part. Keeping things the same might numb the effect of the banner, so I would encourage people to put forward their suggestions.
On 19 September 2013 17:39, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
"Where have you been" as in "what lovely places have you visited?", not "why haven't you uploaded anything?".
On 19 September 2013 17:16, Matthew Roth Wikimedia mroth@wikimedia.org wrote:
I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we
don't
all get?
Matthew
Sent from a mobile communication device.
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not
work
in other languages.
Michael
On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
To me, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
Osmar Valdebenito G. Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
(who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the
the
text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com wrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
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Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Richard Nevell < richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
I must admit 'where have you been' did not come across as rude to me. It's something you say to an old friend when you're pleased to see them.
I do get this connotation and the double meaning if it's an intimate setting. I fear it will be lost in a banner on the top of the sites without this level of context. The audience won't be close friends or really in on the connotation, methinks.
However, this conversation does show that the phrase carries different connotations in different countries. As the English-language banner can't be changed for just the UK, perhaps a different wording should be sought.
I think changing the central notice is worthwhile to motivate people to take part. Keeping things the same might numb the effect of the banner, so I would encourage people to put forward their suggestions.
On 19 September 2013 17:39, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:
"Where have you been" as in "what lovely places have you visited?", not "why haven't you uploaded anything?".
On 19 September 2013 17:16, Matthew Roth Wikimedia mroth@wikimedia.org wrote:
I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we
don't
all get?
Matthew
Sent from a mobile communication device.
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not
work
in other languages.
Michael
On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
To me, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
Osmar Valdebenito G. Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
and
Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
Registered
Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
4LT.
United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
(who
operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating
the
CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change
the the
text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki@yahoo.com
wrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
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Hi Michael,
please note that the banner texts are language specific (with the exception of the USA). What you change in English, should work in most of the world because English is the fallback default. I understand that creating an exception banner for a particular country is a lot of work (it involved the creation of tens of pages at the very least). This happened in the US because there was major confusion over the terminology - it is not impossible, but also not something to engage in lightly.
I would prefer to find a solution that also works for people who don't have English as their native language.
Lodewijk
2013/9/19 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
Michael
On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
To me, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
*Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
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On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.comwrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
I think it's perfect :-)
Aubrey
e, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
*Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
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On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.comwrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
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I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
Maybe we can use this mailing list to 'show of' / share more examples?
To start of, Belgium will promote WLM during two events: next Monday (Antwerp) and next Friday (upload marathon Gent).Any more events planned?
Groeten, Maarten
2013/9/20 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
I think it's perfect :-)
Aubrey
e, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
*Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
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On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.comwrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
Wlm2013-l mailing list Wlm2013-l@wikimedia.org.uk http://lists.wikimedia.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/wlm2013-l
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
Wiki Loves Monuments mailing list WikiLovesMonuments@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org
I can tell from the referrer stats for the UK site - http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk - that the majority of visitors are coming via the banner, mostly from the English Wikipedia, but a smattering from other Wikipedias. The proportion coming via some other route is quite small.
Michael
On 20 Sep 2013, at 09:59, Maarten Deneckere wrote:
I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
Maybe we can use this mailing list to 'show of' / share more examples?
To start of, Belgium will promote WLM during two events: next Monday (Antwerp) and next Friday (upload marathon Gent).Any more events planned?
Groeten, Maarten
2013/9/20 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote: It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
I think it's perfect :-)
Aubrey
e, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
Osmar Valdebenito G. Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote: As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.com wrote: Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
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Michael, don't mistake page visits for uploads though
We need to get people involved ... and the best way imho is still the personal approach, as described above
(+referrer stats only show part of your visitors)
Groeten, Maarten
2013/9/20 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
I can tell from the referrer stats for the UK site - http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk - that the majority of visitors are coming via the banner, mostly from the English Wikipedia, but a smattering from other Wikipedias. The proportion coming via some other route is quite small.
Michael
On 20 Sep 2013, at 09:59, Maarten Deneckere wrote:
I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
Maybe we can use this mailing list to 'show of' / share more examples?
To start of, Belgium will promote WLM during two events: next Monday (Antwerp) and next Friday (upload marathon Gent).Any more events planned?
Groeten, Maarten
2013/9/20 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.namewrote:
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
I think it's perfect :-)
Aubrey
e, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
*Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
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On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.comwrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
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Regardless, I think changing the wording would be a useful exercise if it has the potential to get new people involved.
Richard
On 20 September 2013 10:24, Maarten Deneckere maartendeneckere@gmail.comwrote:
Michael, don't mistake page visits for uploads though
We need to get people involved ... and the best way imho is still the personal approach, as described above
(+referrer stats only show part of your visitors)
Groeten, Maarten
2013/9/20 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
I can tell from the referrer stats for the UK site - http://www.wikilovesmonuments.org.uk - that the majority of visitors are coming via the banner, mostly from the English Wikipedia, but a smattering from other Wikipedias. The proportion coming via some other route is quite small.
Michael
On 20 Sep 2013, at 09:59, Maarten Deneckere wrote:
I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
Maybe we can use this mailing list to 'show of' / share more examples?
To start of, Belgium will promote WLM during two events: next Monday (Antwerp) and next Friday (upload marathon Gent).Any more events planned?
Groeten, Maarten
2013/9/20 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.namewrote:
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
I think it's perfect :-)
Aubrey
e, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
*Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the > CentralNotice is at: > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
> > > Romaine > > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner > To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < > wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> > Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM > > (oh, and ps: probably native > countries like the US and GB work very differently than > non-native English countries. Here participate would > definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would > only be confusing. But that is probably stating the > obvious) > > > > 2013/9/11 Lodewijk > lodewijk@effeietsanders.org > > > I think there are two major factors in our > image count: > 1) new participants, people who never edited > before. 2) super uploaders, people with more > than 100 images > > > > The highest contribution to the number of images > is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of > images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. > The banner has primarily an influence on 1), > which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a > change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that > coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly > situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In > some other countries, there are more banners competing even > (like in NL, a conference banner with call for > speakers). > > > > Another way than the wording, is the > design. > I would suggest we continue this 'what is the > best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep > it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for > that? > > > > Lodewijk > > 2013/9/11 Michael > Maggs Michael@maggs.name > > > > Both > > > > "Snap a snapshot for > Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves > Monuments" > > > > are the best I > have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as > the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% > ? > > > > Michael > > > > > > > On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, > Peter Ekman wrote: > I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted > in the last few days. It's fairly important to > determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be > something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation > in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner > display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop > happen in most countries? We don't have full control > over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space > with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some > of their displays if we ask nicely. > > > > > I do agree that changing the banner from > time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of > ""Participate > in the world's largest photo-contest and > help Wikipedia," > would help any. The imperative verb > "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to > American English speakers. It suggests a high school home > economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies > to the annual bake-off. Something more active is > definitely needed, something along the line (but not > exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out > there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get > some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of > attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. > "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) > upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments" > > > > > > "Snap" > might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the > action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike > "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic > site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or > maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun > "It's a snap, Wiki Loves > Monuments" > > > > > I don't > think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, > but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up > with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound > bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or > dialects should be considered separately, as translations > are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might > mean something entirely different in British > English > > > > > PeteUser:Smallbones > >
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We will have photowalks in Bologna, Ferrara and Parma tomorrow. We will have them in Sest San Giovanni, and if I'm not mistake Todi.
Aubrey
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Maarten Deneckere < maartendeneckere@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
Maybe we can use this mailing list to 'show of' / share more examples?
To start of, Belgium will promote WLM during two events: next Monday (Antwerp) and next Friday (upload marathon Gent).Any more events planned?
Groeten, Maarten
2013/9/20 Andrea Zanni zanni.andrea84@gmail.com
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.namewrote:
It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work in other languages.
I think it's perfect :-)
Aubrey
e, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
*Osmar Valdebenito G.* Director Ejecutivo A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.comwrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
PeteUser:Smallbones
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Hi Maarten
Op 20-9-2013 10:59, Maarten Deneckere schreef:
I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
+1 to that. The central notice banner should be part of a broader campaign to promote Wiki Loves Monuments. Last couple of years we also had articles in magazines, etc. Bit too late for that now I guess...
Maarten
Ok, it may not have much effect, but is there any harm in trying?
On 20 September 2013 18:32, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi Maarten
Op 20-9-2013 10:59, Maarten Deneckere schreef:
I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more
prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
+1 to that. The central notice banner should be part of a broader campaign to promote Wiki Loves Monuments. Last couple of years we also had articles in magazines, etc. Bit too late for that now I guess...
Maarten
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i don't think anyone is against it, they just advocate to try multiple angles :)
Lodewijk
2013/9/20 Richard Nevell richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk
Ok, it may not have much effect, but is there any harm in trying?
On 20 September 2013 18:32, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi Maarten
Op 20-9-2013 10:59, Maarten Deneckere schreef:
I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more
prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
+1 to that. The central notice banner should be part of a broader campaign to promote Wiki Loves Monuments. Last couple of years we also had articles in magazines, etc. Bit too late for that now I guess...
Maarten
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Indeed, but so far there's not been much input at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/Ce...
On 20 September 2013 18:51, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
i don't think anyone is against it, they just advocate to try multiple angles :)
Lodewijk
2013/9/20 Richard Nevell richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk
Ok, it may not have much effect, but is there any harm in trying?
On 20 September 2013 18:32, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi Maarten
Op 20-9-2013 10:59, Maarten Deneckere schreef:
I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more
prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
+1 to that. The central notice banner should be part of a broader campaign to promote Wiki Loves Monuments. Last couple of years we also had articles in magazines, etc. Bit too late for that now I guess...
Maarten
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-- Richard Nevell Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0753
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
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Hiya,
as the contest ends, can we change the CentralNotice banner saying something like this: "Wiki Loves Monuments contest ends tomorrow/the day after. Photograph a monument, help Wikipedia and win."
This is just to alert that the contest is ending soon, and so that most people will hurry up!
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On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Richard Nevell < richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Indeed, but so far there's not been much input at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/Ce...
On 20 September 2013 18:51, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
i don't think anyone is against it, they just advocate to try multiple angles :)
Lodewijk
2013/9/20 Richard Nevell richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk
Ok, it may not have much effect, but is there any harm in trying?
On 20 September 2013 18:32, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi Maarten
Op 20-9-2013 10:59, Maarten Deneckere schreef:
I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more
prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
+1 to that. The central notice banner should be part of a broader campaign to promote Wiki Loves Monuments. Last couple of years we also had articles in magazines, etc. Bit too late for that now I guess...
Maarten
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What about "This Monday is your last chance to... (whatever)" ?
2013/9/28 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.in
Hiya,
as the contest ends, can we change the CentralNotice banner saying something like this: "Wiki Loves Monuments contest ends tomorrow/the day after. Photograph a monument, help Wikipedia and win."
This is just to alert that the contest is ending soon, and so that most people will hurry up!
Regards, Karthik Nadar. Secretary, Wikimedia India Chapter. http://wiki.wikimedia.in
Participate in world's largest photo contest Wiki Loves Monuments: www.wikilovesmonuments.in
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Richard Nevell < richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Indeed, but so far there's not been much input at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/Ce...
On 20 September 2013 18:51, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
i don't think anyone is against it, they just advocate to try multiple angles :)
Lodewijk
2013/9/20 Richard Nevell richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk
Ok, it may not have much effect, but is there any harm in trying?
On 20 September 2013 18:32, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nlwrote:
Hi Maarten
Op 20-9-2013 10:59, Maarten Deneckere schreef:
I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more
prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and family, do they read that message?
I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups.
+1 to that. The central notice banner should be part of a broader campaign to promote Wiki Loves Monuments. Last couple of years we also had articles in magazines, etc. Bit too late for that now I guess...
Maarten
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May be on Sunday (and Monday too) so that we give them ample of time to go out and click photos on Sunday/Monday and upload??
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On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.orgwrote:
What about "This Monday is your last chance to... (whatever)" ?
2013/9/28 Karthik Nadar karthikndr@wikimedia.in
Hiya,
as the contest ends, can we change the CentralNotice banner saying something like this: "Wiki Loves Monuments contest ends tomorrow/the day after. Photograph a monument, help Wikipedia and win."
This is just to alert that the contest is ending soon, and so that most people will hurry up!
Regards, Karthik Nadar. Secretary, Wikimedia India Chapter. http://wiki.wikimedia.in
Participate in world's largest photo contest Wiki Loves Monuments: www.wikilovesmonuments.in
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Richard Nevell < richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Indeed, but so far there's not been much input at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/Ce...
On 20 September 2013 18:51, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.orgwrote:
i don't think anyone is against it, they just advocate to try multiple angles :)
Lodewijk
2013/9/20 Richard Nevell richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk
Ok, it may not have much effect, but is there any harm in trying?
On 20 September 2013 18:32, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nlwrote:
Hi Maarten
Op 20-9-2013 10:59, Maarten Deneckere schreef:
I don't think we will gain that much new contributors using a more > prominent sitenotice. Most people just ignore it. Just ask friends and > family, do they read that message? > > I organised WLM both in Belgium and South Africa, and I have far > better experiences attracting people with a personal approach, eg. real > life WLM events, our mailing list, Facebook groups. > +1 to that. The central notice banner should be part of a broader campaign to promote Wiki Loves Monuments. Last couple of years we also had articles in magazines, etc. Bit too late for that now I guess...
Maarten
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I agree that it sounds very rude. Instead you can say something like this: Wiki Loves Monuments to end soon, participate in the contest and help Wikipedia!!
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Osmar Valdebenito osmar@wikimedia.org.arwrote:
To me, it sounds very rude. I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
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2013/9/19 Richard Symonds richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk
This sounds very sensible.
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On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the text for the UK (only) to
Where have you been? Send us some photos!
If anyone objects, please let me know.
Michael
On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine_wiki@yahoo.comwrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monu...
Discussion kicks off there!
-- Karthik.
Romaine
On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" < wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org> Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
(oh, and ps: probably native countries like the US and GB work very differently than non-native English countries. Here participate would definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would only be confusing. But that is probably stating the obvious)
2013/9/11 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
I think there are two major factors in our image count:
- new participants, people who never edited
before. 2) super uploaders, people with more than 100 images
The highest contribution to the number of images is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany. The banner has primarily an influence on 1), which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In some other countries, there are more banners competing even (like in NL, a conference banner with call for speakers).
Another way than the wording, is the design. I would suggest we continue this 'what is the best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for that?
Lodewijk
2013/9/11 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote: I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
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"snap a snap" is a bit repetitive, maybe "take a snap" or "grab a snap"?
On 11/09/2013, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Both
"Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
are the best I have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as the US. Maybe have them both running at 50% ?
Michael
On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Peter Ekman wrote:
I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted in the last few days. It's fairly important to determine what caused the drop off if we can. It might be something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop happen in most countries? We don't have full control over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some of their displays if we ask nicely.
I do agree that changing the banner from time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of ""Participate in the world's largest photo-contest and help Wikipedia," would help any. The imperative verb "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to American English speakers. It suggests a high school home economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies to the annual bake-off. Something more active is definitely needed, something along the line (but not exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out there and kick some butt!" That would definitely get some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of attention we want. A teaser ad might work however, e.g. "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type) upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
"Snap" might be a verb we want to use. It gives an idea of the action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike "participate." So perhaps "Snap a historic site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia". As a noun "It's a snap, Wiki Loves Monuments"
I don't think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner, but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up with new ideas. Straight informative banners can sound bureaucratic or just boring. Different languages or dialects should be considered separately, as translations are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might mean something entirely different in British English
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