On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki@yahoo.com> wrote:
Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the CentralNotice is at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice

Discussion kicks off there!

-- Karthik. 
 


Romaine

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On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
 To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition" <wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
 Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM

 (oh, and ps: probably native
 countries like the US and GB work very differently than
 non-native English countries. Here participate would
 definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
 only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
 obvious)



 2013/9/11 Lodewijk
 <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>


 I think there are two major factors in our
 image count: 
 1) new participants, people who never edited
 before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
 than 100 images



 The highest contribution to the number of images
 is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
 images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
 The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
 which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
 change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
 coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
 situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
 some other countries, there are more banners competing even
 (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
 speakers). 



 Another way than the wording, is the
 design. 
 I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
 best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
 it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
 that? 



 Lodewijk

 2013/9/11 Michael
 Maggs <Michael@maggs.name>



 Both 



 "Snap a snapshot for
 Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
 Monuments"



 are the best I
 have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
 the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
 ?



 Michael






 On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
 Peter Ekman wrote:
 I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
 in the last few days.  It's fairly important to
 determine what caused the drop off if we can.  It might be
 something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
 in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
 display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
 happen in most countries? We don't have full control
 over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
 with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
 of their displays if we ask nicely.




 I do agree that changing the banner from
 time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
 ""Participate
 in the world's largest photo-contest and
 help Wikipedia,"
 would help any.  The imperative verb
 "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
 American English speakers.  It suggests a high school home
 economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
 to the annual bake-off.  Something more active is
 definitely needed, something along the line (but not
 exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
 there and kick some butt!"  That would definitely get
 some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
 attention we want.  A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
 "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
 upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"





 "Snap"
 might be a verb we want to use.  It gives an idea of the
 action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
 "participate."  So perhaps "Snap a historic
 site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
 maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia".  As a noun
 "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
 Monuments"




 I don't
 think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
 but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
 with new ideas.  Straight informative banners can sound
 bureaucratic or just boring.  Different languages or
 dialects should be considered separately, as translations
 are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
 mean something entirely different in British
 English




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