Maybe it's too British :(

Let's try for something else, then. But please can we do it quickly so that we can update the message soon (say by Saturday)?

Please comment at https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice 

and we will make a community decision there.

Michael



On 19 Sep 2013, at 17:41, Lodewijk wrote:

By the way, quite some suggestions have been made on https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice - I would hope that more people take a look at it there, and discuss specific suggestions there too. 

Lodewijk


2013/9/19 Katie Chan <katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk>
"Where have you been" as in "what lovely places have you visited?",
not "why haven't you uploaded anything?".

On 19 September 2013 17:16, Matthew Roth Wikimedia <mroth@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> I read it as being pushy, if not rude. Maybe a British humor thing we don't
> all get?
>
> Matthew
>
> Sent from a mobile communication device.
>
> On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:10 AM, Michael Maggs <Michael@maggs.name> wrote:
>
> It's not rude: it has a double meaning in English. Maybe this would not work
> in other languages.
>
> Michael
>
> On 19 Sep 2013, at 16:59, Osmar Valdebenito wrote:
>
> To me, it sounds very rude.
> I would say something reminding that we are on the last days of the
> competition and that you can still help Wikipedia and win...
>
> Osmar Valdebenito G.
> Director Ejecutivo
> A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
>
>
> 2013/9/19 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk>
>>
>> This sounds very sensible.
>>
>> Richard Symonds
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>>
>> On 19 September 2013 16:34, Michael Maggs <Michael@maggs.name> wrote:
>>>
>>> As there seems to be little international discussion about updating the
>>> CentralNotice text, I'm proposing in the next day or two to change the the
>>> text for the UK (only) to
>>>
>>> Where have you been?   Send us some photos!
>>>
>>> If anyone objects, please let me know.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12 Sep 2013, at 05:10, Karthik Nadar wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine_wiki@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the best place for talking about the banners of the
>>>> CentralNotice is at:
>>>>
>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013/CentralNotice
>>>
>>>
>>> Discussion kicks off there!
>>>
>>> -- Karthik.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Romaine
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Wed, 9/11/13, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Subject: Re: [Wiki Loves Monuments] drop off in submissions, banner
>>>>  To: "Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition"
>>>> <wikilovesmonuments@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>>>  Date: Wednesday, September 11, 2013, 7:45 PM
>>>>
>>>>  (oh, and ps: probably native
>>>>  countries like the US and GB work very differently than
>>>>  non-native English countries. Here participate would
>>>>  definitely resonate much better, and 'snap' would
>>>>  only be confusing. But that is probably stating the
>>>>  obvious)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  2013/9/11 Lodewijk
>>>>  <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I think there are two major factors in our
>>>>  image count:
>>>>  1) new participants, people who never edited
>>>>  before. 2) super uploaders, people with more
>>>>  than 100 images
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  The highest contribution to the number of images
>>>>  is 2) by a leap. This is mostly people with a reservoir of
>>>>  images - primarily in Spain, Poland and Germany.
>>>>  The banner has primarily an influence on 1),
>>>>  which is also important. I definitely wouldn't mind a
>>>>  change in the banner, but I would suggest to let that
>>>>  coincide with the drop of Privacy Policy (which was poorly
>>>>  situated - the original plan was to run it in August). In
>>>>  some other countries, there are more banners competing even
>>>>  (like in NL, a conference banner with call for
>>>>  speakers).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Another way than the wording, is the
>>>>  design.
>>>>  I would suggest we continue this 'what is the
>>>>  best banner' discussion on a talkpage somewhere, to keep
>>>>  it consistent. Romaine, what would be a good location for
>>>>  that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Lodewijk
>>>>
>>>>  2013/9/11 Michael
>>>>  Maggs <Michael@maggs.name>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Both
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  "Snap a snapshot for
>>>>  Wikipedia" and "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>>  Monuments"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  are the best I
>>>>  have heard so far, and they would work in the UK as well as
>>>>  the US. Maybe have them both running at 50%
>>>>  ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 11 Sep 2013, at 17:41,
>>>>  Peter Ekman wrote:
>>>>  I too have noticed a drop off in photos submitted
>>>>  in the last few days.  It's fairly important to
>>>>  determine what caused the drop off if we can.  It might be
>>>>  something totally outside of our control, e.g. the situation
>>>>  in Syria, but might be something like a change in banner
>>>>  display, which we do have some control over. Did the drop
>>>>  happen in most countries? We don't have full control
>>>>  over all Wikimedia banners - we do have to share the space
>>>>  with others, but perhaps they might be willing to delay some
>>>>  of their displays if we ask nicely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I do agree that changing the banner from
>>>>  time-to-time can help. I don't agree that a banner of
>>>>  ""Participate
>>>>  in the world's largest photo-contest and
>>>>  help Wikipedia,"
>>>>  would help any.  The imperative verb
>>>>  "Participate" is very weak, and is not natural to
>>>>  American English speakers.  It suggests a high school home
>>>>  economics teacher telling us that we have to bring cookies
>>>>  to the annual bake-off.  Something more active is
>>>>  definitely needed, something along the line (but not
>>>>  exactly) of a high school football coach saying "Go out
>>>>  there and kick some butt!"  That would definitely get
>>>>  some attention as a banner, but not the exact type of
>>>>  attention we want.  A teaser ad might work however, e.g.
>>>>  "About your photos on Wikipedia .... (smaller type)
>>>>  upload them to Wiki Loves Monuments"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  "Snap"
>>>>  might be a verb we want to use.  It gives an idea of the
>>>>  action that we want people to take (snap a snapshot), unlike
>>>>  "participate."  So perhaps "Snap a historic
>>>>  site, Wiki Loves Monuments" It could wake people up. Or
>>>>  maybe "Snap a snapshot for Wikipedia".  As a noun
>>>>  "It's a snap, Wiki Loves
>>>>  Monuments"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I don't
>>>>  think these ideas are good enough yet for an actual banner,
>>>>  but I think that folks should brain-storm this and come up
>>>>  with new ideas.  Straight informative banners can sound
>>>>  bureaucratic or just boring.  Different languages or
>>>>  dialects should be considered separately, as translations
>>>>  are really tricky, e.g. "It's a snap" might
>>>>  mean something entirely different in British
>>>>  English
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  PeteUser:Smallbones
>>>>
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