Mediawiki-i18n October 2012

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Report on WebFonts deployment
by Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) 20 Jan '14

20 Jan '14

Dear all, My apologies up front for the long e-mail that follows. In this e-mail you will find a comprehensive status overview of the recent WebFonts deployment. On Monday December 12 at 18:00 UTC we deployed the extension WebFonts[1] to 40 wikis in 11 Indic languages and Wikimedia Incubator -- all wikis in Assamese, Bengali, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Marathi, Nepali, Oriya, (Eastern) Punjabi, Sankrit and Telugu have WebFonts now. WebFonts was not deployed on Malayalam and Tamil projects. The reason for this was that community members had requested us not to. We are confident that in time, the communities will request that WebFonts is enabled on their projects. WebFonts aims to resolve the issue that users see incomplete web pages, because the fonts to properly render the page is not present in the local system by downloading the font through the browser. One of our great challenges developing this functionality is the multitude of scripts and the low availability of freely licensed fonts that may be modified and redistributed. Over the past few months we have tried to build out a collection of fonts in the extension mainly for Indic languages, and we have performed many tests. We have solicited community involvement through messaging in village pumps, e-mails on mailing lists, blog posts on personal blogs as well as on the Wikimedia Foundation blog, at developer events, through personal e-mails and through our bug tracker, and gotten some feedback, although unfortunately not for all the languages we would like to have gotten it for. We will of course continue our efforts in this area. Next to the community involvement, we have had a two day session with the Red Hat Localisation team in Pune, India. Since the deployment, we have been criticised for not communicating enough -- or not through the right channels, not with the right people, not in time, or too soon, or not with the right messages. I'm not really sure how to respond to that, except for uttering a general "mea culpa, mea maxima culpa". We are working really hard in continuously improving the work that we do, and the way that we do it. We make mistakes, we are human after all, and when we become aware of our mistakes, we will do everything in our power to make it better. With our team we support the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation to "imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge." I care about that -- a lot. We all care, and I am pretty certain that we're not ignorant, dismissive or incapable. I acknowledge that we as the Localisation team are a relatively new entity within the MediaWiki development community and within the Wikimedia Foundation, with a very wide scope, and that we are dealing with a lot of technical details on which we are simply not able to assess the final quality; there are after all 7.500 languages in this world of over 7 billion people that we theoretically all cover, some 350 of those languages are supported in MediaWiki, and 280 within Wikimedia. I accept that we cannot keep everybody happy -- doesn't keep us from trying, though. I want to try and work with as many people as possible in a constructive way. With these numbers, that's not always easy to coordinate. To channel the input on languages, we have set up "Language Support Teams"[2]. We do not yet have a language support team for every language. Please sign up if you care about the technical facilitation of your language in the Wikimedia movement. Let's use the mediawiki-i18n mailing list[3] to have constructive discussions about language support. Let's use the #mediawiki-i18n IRC channel[4] on Freenode to have real-time discussions. Let's use bugzilla.wikimedia.org to report bugs[5]. Link [5] explains the bug reporting procedure. If you already know how, report issues quickly using this link: http://ur1.ca/6ov9a . Since the deployment, we have been made aware of about 17 issues. Some very serious in nature, others not requiring immediate attention. Yesterday an issue with web fonts not loading in Firefox was resolved in the infrastructure. Today around 15:30 UTC, we have deployed fixes for an additional hand full of issues[6]: functionality disabled in IE6, IE8 on Windows XP, selection buttons not working properly in IE7 and hiding the Samyak fonts in the font selector. During our current sprint, we are working on a framework for multi-lingual and localised user documentation as well as feature based feedback functionality for WebFonts, Narayam and Translate. In the future we will also explore what is known as "dark launch" by some, a kind of hidden live deployment of a feature, only usable be for example manipulating a URL. This would allow us to deploy a feature in a live environment, without having the "full deployment" impact. Thanks for reading through this. I am looking forward to working with you! Please read on for details on all the issues that were reported on WebFonts recently. Cheers! Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation ======================================= Links ======================================= [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WebFonts [2] https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Language_support_team [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n [4] https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:WebChat [5] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla [6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106204 ======================================= Open issues ======================================= https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33004 -- Old cached pages do not have web fonts enabled Priority: HIGH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wikimedia is able to serve this many pages with relative few servers because of very aggressive caching strategies, especially for anonymous users. WebFonts requires the addition of JavaScript for anonymous users, which is not being done for pages that are in the squid cache at the moment WebFonts was enabled. All squid cache objects for wikis on which WebFonts was deployed need to be purged. An internal RT ticket created for the Wikimedia Operations team to get anonymous squid caches purged. This may take up to a week or longer to be resolved. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33018 -- Firefox 5 on Windows XP has script time-outs Priority: MEDIUM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Localisation team has tested this report, and was not yet able to confirm the observation. The reason for using a non-recent version of Firefox for the report was the alleged lower memory usage. Brion noted that Mozilla has been actively working on lowering memory usage over the last year, so the reporter may be better off with the current versions than the old ones. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33110 -- Google Crome on Windows XP dispays gibberish Priority: LOW -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Observed very rarely on a page on Wikimedia Incubator, and we have not been able to reproduce this observation, let alone reproduce it reliably. A screenshot is present in the bug report. Except for reporting upstream, no action is being taken on this issue at this point in time. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33054 -- Hinting issues in Lohit fonts Priority: MEDIUM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Confirmed in Windows XP. We can do something to the font by adding hinting, but this is a lot of work if it needs to be done manually. The stem of the Lohit glyphs could do with more width and darkness. This may not be desirable for platforms (Linux) which render it perfectly, because it already has hinting and anti-aliasing on an operating system level. Same goes got Windows 7. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33100 -- Page crashes on Webkit browsers with WebFonts enabled. Priority: MEDIUM (could be HIGH if we find many occurances) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A page in Nepali Wikipedia makes a tab on Mac OS X 10.7.2 with Google Crome crash. This behaviour was also reported for Mac OS X 10.7.2 (11C74) with Safari 5.1.1 (7534.51.22, r102522) [This is a webkit nightly build] by thedj. This is most probably related to the WebFonts code, because if, as a logged in user, web fonts is disabled in preferences, the page does not crash Chrome. Developer Derk-Jan Hartman was asked to report this bug in the WebKit. Please make us aware of any additional pages that would cause this behaviour in any wiki. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33102 -- OSX 10.7.2/Opera 11.60 has no fallback for Latin characters Priority: MEDIUM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a bug that needs to be reported upstream. No technical measures have been taken so far to mitigate this issue. One of the Localisation team members has been in contact with a high level executive of Opera, and will contact that person again. We're going to wait for a few days for an outcome -- if there is no expectation of a relatively quick fix, we might disable WebFonts for Opera completely. Opera unfortunately does not have a public bug tracker. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33027 -- Narayam and WebFonts both loading slows down page Priority: MEDIUM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The reporter claims that the functionality is quicker on translatewiki.netthan it is in Wikimedia wikis. A commenter states that more functionality usually means more code, means more data that needs to be transferred, and without changing bandwidth, that causes longer load times. This currently isn't our highest priority, but eventually we will look into this a little deeper. We're inviting volunteers to do some of the data gathering and analysis for us. What is needed in our opinion is insight in the data volume added by WebFonts, as well as an assessment of the code quality with regards to size optimisation. All referenced properly, of course :). There are alternate EOT conversion tools that have a good compression ratio. Needs to be explored, but EOT is not required for modern browsers since they started using WOFF fonts which are compressed OpenType fonts. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33085 -- Integration of updated Lohit-Tamil Font Priority: MEDIUM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Request to update WebFonts with a font that is updated upstream. This is something the Localisation team checks regularly. Will probably be closed this week, pending issues the have a higher priority. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32942 -- Provide help page and bug report link for WebFonts Priority: HIGH -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More recently developed tools by the Wikimedia Foundation have often included feedback mechanisms. The Localisation team plans on implementing these for the functionality of the WebFonts, Narayam and Translate extension. Besides that, we also want to provide multi-lingual and localised documentation. This needs some thinking and some work to provide in a structured and navigable way. We'll keep you posted. It will most probably involve translatable *user* documentation on MediaWiki.org and hopefully it is possible to have one feedback location per feature across the multiple Wikimedia wikis -- this is something we're going to contact the ArticleFeedback and MoodBar teams for. ======================================= Closed issues ======================================= https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33025 -- When changing to a non-default web font, the content does not -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This issue was a side effect of a feature to allow multiple web fonts to be used using the "lang" attribute. It was resolved in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/105980 and has been deployed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33034 -- Web fonts not loading in Firefox -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Duplicate reports were 33038 and 33044. This issue originated from http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-fonts/#same-origin-restriction. Almost all browsers except for Firefox ignore that specification. A fix was designed and deployed: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106092, https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/1501. Thanks to Roan, Brion and Ryan for their help. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32775 -- Gibberish in Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is an unexplained phenomenon only observed in Internet Explorer on Windows XP. It is also hard to reproduce. One of the developers was able to make something somewhat reproducible on a clean, fully patched installation of Windows XP with Internet Explorer 8. See bug report for details. Based on these observations we think it is a bad idea to keep supporting WebFonts in Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP and we have disabled it in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106172. This fix has been deployed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33096 -- Internet Explorer 6 does not have font fallback -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IE6 not having font fallback causes Latin characters to display as squares when a web font is loaded that does not contain glyphs for the Latin script. A screenshot is available at http://media.crossbrowsertesting.com/users/34057/screenshots/window/z669002…. Based on this observation, we think it is a bad idea to keep supporting WebFonts in Internet Explorer 6 and we have disabled it in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106172. This fix has been deployed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33024 -- WebFonts menu buttons not working in IE7 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This was caused by the JavaScript $( '<input type="radio" />' ) . attr( "name" ,"font"); not working in IE6 and IE7. Updating name attributes once they have been created is not possible. We think there may be more occurances of this in our code (one occurance in jQuery has already been identified: resources/jquery/jquery.validate.js:59). A fix was made in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106175. This fix has been deployed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33040 -- Overlap in Samyak font for Hindi and Sanskrit -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This issue occurs in Windows XP and Windows 7 (possibly also in Windows Vista) when using Google Chrome. It is not observed when using Chrome with Mac OS X 10.7.2 or several Linux distributions (Debian and Fedora). Samyak Devanagari is available as a non-default web font in Hindi, Marathi, and Sanskrit. Samyak Gujarati is available for Gujarati as a non-default font. This font needs to be corrected. The maintainers will be notified of the observed issues, and mean while, the fonts will be removed from the WebFonts selection list (but can still be used using the font-family property. A fix was made in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106179. This fix has been deployed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33039 -- Overlap in Madan font for Nepali -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This report was invalid. The reporter was not aware of the correct glyph for the Nepali script. Comments on this bug report resulted in two odd observations (Crome crash, Opera font fallback), that have been split off into separate bug reports: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33100 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33102. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33095 -- WebFonts menu can expand off the screen -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the translations for "Select font" and "Login / Register" are really short, like in http://mr.wiktionary.org, expanding the WebFonts menu for anonymous users will display a menu that is partially off the screen. It was resolved in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106186, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106197, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106201, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106202. These revisions also depend on a few small UI changes of both WebFonts and Narayam, and will be deployed on December 19, 2011. <no bugzilla report> -- WebFonts menu expands under the control for customised input method in IE6 on transliteration -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are issues with the z index in IE6. Because of https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/106172, WebFonts is no longer available in IE6, so this issue is obsolete. Observing that the Hindi projects Wikipedia and Wiktionary are using an custom input methods tool, we would like to invite them to test Narayam which contains many input methods in a MediaWiki extension. We are very open to having the Hindi input method InScript tested and add a transliteration input method with some community representatives, as we have done with other Indic languages. We hope this will eventually lead to Narayam being adopted by the Hindi community, and the custom input method being abandoned.

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Re: [Mediawiki-i18n] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Language of the survey
by Platonides 30 Oct '12

30 Oct '12

On 29/10/12 21:55, Jane Darnell wrote: > Thanks for clearing that up! I was wondering how it was possible (and of > course was worried that maybe others were seeing undesirable languages). > Jane I'm happy to do that. Things should "just work", but if they don't, it's worth digging trying to find out the reason for the alleged misbehavior. In this case your language preferences were a bit illogical, since you prefered US English to Dutch but then any kind of English less than that. As a general rule, I don't think it makes much sense to have a completely different language with a weight which places it in the midst of the preference for different variants of one language family. There are some cases where it could made sense, if the first variant is very different than the language specified by the generic tag. But en-us and en is not such case. I started logging accept-language pairs this morning, as well as the language on which the survey was shown to them. In most cases it is what should have been done from looking at the whole accept-language, headers. I haven't seen other "shuffled" requests, but I see a number of requests done for a language tag (en-za, fr-FR, es-ES, es-CL, es-mx...) which don't include the parent tag. So the language choice algorithm, not being able to match to any accepted language, ends up showing it in English as last resort. In most cases, the link followed from Wikimedia Commons based on the local language has fixed this problem. I will add another check of partial strings to cover those cases. But it's the User Agent task to instruct the user to make sane decisions, not the application. >From section 14.4 of rfc2616 [1]: > Note: When making the choice of linguistic preference available to > the user, we remind implementors of the fact that users are not > familiar with the details of language matching as described above, > and should provide appropriate guidance. As an example, users > might assume that on selecting "en-gb", they will be served any > kind of English document if British English is not available. A > user agent might suggest in such a case to add "en" to get the > best matching behavior. There's some buggy browser out there regarding this. It is very unlikely that so many users misconfigured their browser in this way. I have added some more logging code and I'll try to catch the guilty UAs. 1- http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#page-105 PS: We are at 1254 answers!

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I18n deployment 2012-10-30
by Niklas Laxstrom 29 Oct '12

29 Oct '12

Plans for tomorrow: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/39200 -- Narayam and WebFonts on Marathi wikibooks/wikiquote/wiktionary >> Narayam was not deployed to wiktionary due to typo in configuration. Fix has been submitted as part of general cleanup patch: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/28625/ . If that has been not merged by tomorrow, I will just fix the typo in a separate patch. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41460 -- Narayam on Amharic wikipedia/wiktionary/wikiquote https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41359 -- WebFonts on Arabic wikipedia/wiktionary/wikibooks/wikinews/wikiquote/wikiversity/wikisource https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/30432 -- NewUserMessage bug fix >> Goes into 1.21wmf3 on Monday, will update the extension to master on 1.21wmf2 and deploy. The usual time, 09:00-10:00 UTC. Be aware that many countries are switching to winter time around this time of the year. -Niklas

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IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team 2012-09-17 16:30 UTC
by Srikanth Lakshmanan (WMF) 18 Oct '12

18 Oct '12

Hello everyone, You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Language Engineering team[1] at the Wikimedia Foundation. Date: 2012-10-17 Time: 16.30 UTC Venue: #wikimedia-office Agenda: 1. ULS & Project Milkshake updates. 2. Translation UI/UX design findings 3. Q & A For more logistical info and time conversion links check the page on Meta[2]. Thanks, and we hope to talk to you soon! [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours -- Srikanth L Wikimedia Language Engineering Team

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Re: [Mediawiki-i18n] [Localisation-team] I18n deployment 2012-10-16
by asharma＠wikimedia.org 15 Oct '12

15 Oct '12

Nice. Any movement to deploy on Malayalam wp. Santhosh? Tamil.wp ? Srikanth? I would like to see full Indic family coverage for at least the official 25 languages. __ Alolita Sharma Wikimedia Foundation ----- Reply message ----- From: "Niklas Laxstrom" <nlaxstrom(a)wikimedia.org> To: "MediaWiki internationalisation" <mediawiki-i18n(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: <localisation-team(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, "Sam Reed" <sreed(a)wikimedia.org>, "Rachel Farrand" <rfarrand(a)wikimedia.org> Subject: [Localisation-team] I18n deployment 2012-10-16 Date: Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:43 am Tomorrow we will deploy Narayam to hi.wiktionary.org, assuming that 1) nobody else gets before us 2) there is no opposition in the vote in the wiki. The usual time, 09:00-10:00 UTC -Niklas _______________________________________________ Localisation-team mailing list Localisation-team(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/localisation-team

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I18n deployment 2012-10-16
by Niklas Laxstrom 15 Oct '12

15 Oct '12

Tomorrow we will deploy Narayam to hi.wiktionary.org, assuming that 1) nobody else gets before us 2) there is no opposition in the vote in the wiki. The usual time, 09:00-10:00 UTC -Niklas

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FYI: Language link behavior change in next MW rollout
by Erik Moeller 09 Oct '12

09 Oct '12

For your information, the next deployment version of MediaWiki will have a small change in the behavior of interlanguage links. Currently, in Wikimedia wikis, if you type: [[de:Test]] [[de:Experiment]] in a page, both links will be rendered. However, only one link will be stored in the database and available through the API (see bug 24502: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24502 ). This changeset: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/25232/ causes only one (the first) link to be rendered and stored in the database, preventing the inconsistency between database state and rendered output. This will be the new behavior with 1.21wmf2, which will be deployed starting 10/15. Cheers, Erik -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

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I18n deployment 2012-10-09
by Niklas Laxstrom 08 Oct '12

08 Oct '12

There haven't been any i18n deployments lately. Whether this tells that we are better at avoiding critical bugs or just temporary luck, I don't know. Having said that, something slipped past our test and broke the ability to change message group states. I'm planning to backport https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/26765/ which fixes it. Time is the usual 09:00-10:00 UTC (02:00am-03:00am PDT). -Niklas

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Good and bad fallbacks
by Platonides 07 Oct '12

07 Oct '12

What would be the right way to differenciate between fallbacks like Picard -> French (there's a similarity between the languages, the message might even be the same) and French -> English (which is there just for having a base language). Take the fallback lists like shown in the message file, I guess? What's the prefered way to do that? Shouldn't we add in that case another parameter to Language::getFallbacksFor() to disable the addition of en as final fallback? Regards

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