I am passing through the requests and the first one is the request for Wikipedia in Assyrian Neo-Aramaic [1].
The situation is a kind of complex, but I see no reason not to verify the language itself [2] as eligible, as it should be done with possible request for Chaldean Neo-Aramaic [3].
Syriac language [4] -- and we have a Wikipedia in that language [5], encoded as the group of Aramaic languages [6] -- has been split around 1st century AD, meaning that the differences between them are likely to be comparable with the difference between Romance languages. It also includes the languages that are not Assyrian nor Chaldean Neo-Aramaic.
Anyway, this is just eligibility verification, not the approval of the project. If there is a real interest in creation of a separate Wikipedia, we will be able to decide about practical implications at that point of time.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Assyria... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Neo-Aramaic [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Neo-Aramaic [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_language [5] https://arc.wikipedia.org/wiki/ [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language
As usual, I'd like the approval of an expert who is familiar with the situation on the ground as early as possible.
I know that there are modern Aramaic languages spoken in Syria and Iraq, as well as in the diaspora in other countries, I know that they are written in the Syriac alphabet, and used for education and media despite the small number of speakers. So they might be eligible.
However, I don't know how different they are from the language of the Aramaic Wikipedia we currently have ( arc.wikipedia.org ), especially in their written form, and this is a rather important point.
So we need an expert.
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2017-01-19 4:53 GMT-08:00 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com:
I am passing through the requests and the first one is the request for Wikipedia in Assyrian Neo-Aramaic [1].
The situation is a kind of complex, but I see no reason not to verify the language itself [2] as eligible, as it should be done with possible request for Chaldean Neo-Aramaic [3].
Syriac language [4] -- and we have a Wikipedia in that language [5], encoded as the group of Aramaic languages [6] -- has been split around 1st century AD, meaning that the differences between them are likely to be comparable with the difference between Romance languages. It also includes the languages that are not Assyrian nor Chaldean Neo-Aramaic.
Anyway, this is just eligibility verification, not the approval of the project. If there is a real interest in creation of a separate Wikipedia, we will be able to decide about practical implications at that point of time.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_ languages/Wikipedia_Assyrian_Neo_Aramaic [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Neo-Aramaic [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaldean_Neo-Aramaic [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_language [5] https://arc.wikipedia.org/wiki/ [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language
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On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
So we need an expert.
Anyone in Israel? I mean, Israel seems to me like a good place to search for an expert in Aramaic languages.
Maybe, I can think of a couple of names.
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2017-01-19 7:06 GMT-08:00 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
So we need an expert.
Anyone in Israel? I mean, Israel seems to me like a good place to search for an expert in Aramaic languages.
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(Perhaps worth noting, for the benefit of members who may not have looked that up, that the current Aramaic (arc) Wikipedia has only one (1) active editor.)
A.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 7:14 AM Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Maybe, I can think of a couple of names.
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2017-01-19 7:06 GMT-08:00 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
So we need an expert.
Anyone in Israel? I mean, Israel seems to me like a good place to search for an expert in Aramaic languages.
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Yeah, doesn't surprise me. (It's kinda good that it's greater than zero.)
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2017-01-19 16:11 GMT-08:00 Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:
(Perhaps worth noting, for the benefit of members who may not have looked that up, that the current Aramaic (arc) Wikipedia has only one (1) active editor.)
A.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 7:14 AM Amir E. Aharoni < amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
Maybe, I can think of a couple of names.
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2017-01-19 7:06 GMT-08:00 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
So we need an expert.
Anyone in Israel? I mean, Israel seems to me like a good place to search for an expert in Aramaic languages.
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I've contacted the Aramaic BT team (http://www.aramaicbible.org/our-team.html) two of whom I know personally. I'll let you know when they respond on the question of dialect (i.e. possibly combinable into arc:wp) vs language (i.e. probably needing a distinct wp).
Fwiw, Oliver
On 19-Jan-17 16:13, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Maybe, I can think of a couple of names.
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2017-01-19 7:06 GMT-08:00 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com mailto:millosh@gmail.com>:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il <mailto:amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote: > So we need an expert. Anyone in Israel? I mean, Israel seems to me like a good place to search for an expert in Aramaic languages. _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom>
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Hoi, I've received a lengthy answer from Patrick R Bennett (Principal of the The Jerome Institute, and Prof. Emeritus of the University of Wisconsin-Madison) who is the main linguistic consultant of the Aramaic Bible translation project in the U.S., with translations into five language varieties.
He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic." So, Amir, you may want to continue your search for an Aramaic language expert in Israel.
Prof Bennett then continues to distinguish four languages varieties:
* Maaluli (Modern Western Aramaic) * Suryoyo / Turoyo * Chaldean * Assyrian
(He has longer explanation on each variety but I'll spare you the details unless you insist me posting them here.) To cut a long story short, he thinks that, in addition to Syriac which represents a classical proto-language (like Latin for Spanish, Italian etc), "for Suryoyo/Turoyo, Chaldean, and Assyrian there can be a case for independent wikipedias. [...] I do not think Chaldean and Assyrian can productively be combined – there are too many lexical and morphological differences."
On scripts, Prof Bennett suggests the following (NB: the Syriac wikipedia is written in Western Syriac script):
* Suryoyo – Western Syriac script * Chaldean – Arabic script * Assyrian – Eastern Syriac script
Again, I can forward more details from his original post, if necessary. He closes with "I hope this helps. More detail and further discussion of course can be provided if desired."
Fwiw, Oliver
On 24-Jan-17 12:50, Oliver Stegen wrote:
I've contacted the Aramaic BT team (http://www.aramaicbible.org/our-team.html) two of whom I know personally. I'll let you know when they respond on the question of dialect (i.e. possibly combinable into arc:wp) vs language (i.e. probably needing a distinct wp).
Fwiw, Oliver
On 19-Jan-17 16:13, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Maybe, I can think of a couple of names.
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2017-01-19 7:06 GMT-08:00 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com mailto:millosh@gmail.com>:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il <mailto:amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote: > So we need an expert. Anyone in Israel? I mean, Israel seems to me like a good place to search for an expert in Aramaic languages.
Oliver, thank you for the effort and thank to prof. Bennett for the detailed analysis!
I think we should mark this proposal as eligible. As Oliver sent this clarification today, I am resetting the starting time to today + 7 days for eligibility decision.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
Hoi, I've received a lengthy answer from Patrick R Bennett (Principal of the The Jerome Institute, and Prof. Emeritus of the University of Wisconsin-Madison) who is the main linguistic consultant of the Aramaic Bible translation project in the U.S., with translations into five language varieties.
He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic." So, Amir, you may want to continue your search for an Aramaic language expert in Israel.
Prof Bennett then continues to distinguish four languages varieties:
Maaluli (Modern Western Aramaic) Suryoyo / Turoyo Chaldean Assyrian
(He has longer explanation on each variety but I'll spare you the details unless you insist me posting them here.) To cut a long story short, he thinks that, in addition to Syriac which represents a classical proto-language (like Latin for Spanish, Italian etc), "for Suryoyo/Turoyo, Chaldean, and Assyrian there can be a case for independent wikipedias. [...] I do not think Chaldean and Assyrian can productively be combined – there are too many lexical and morphological differences."
On scripts, Prof Bennett suggests the following (NB: the Syriac wikipedia is written in Western Syriac script):
Suryoyo – Western Syriac script Chaldean – Arabic script Assyrian – Eastern Syriac script
Again, I can forward more details from his original post, if necessary. He closes with "I hope this helps. More detail and further discussion of course can be provided if desired."
Fwiw, Oliver
On 24-Jan-17 12:50, Oliver Stegen wrote:
I've contacted the Aramaic BT team (http://www.aramaicbible.org/our-team.html) two of whom I know personally. I'll let you know when they respond on the question of dialect (i.e. possibly combinable into arc:wp) vs language (i.e. probably needing a distinct wp).
Fwiw, Oliver
On 19-Jan-17 16:13, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Maybe, I can think of a couple of names.
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2017-01-19 7:06 GMT-08:00 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
So we need an expert.
Anyone in Israel? I mean, Israel seems to me like a good place to search for an expert in Aramaic languages.
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Thanks a lot, this sounds good. I doubt that I can do any better.
Just out of curiosity, did he also say anything about Maaluli? That's actually the one that I hear most often as an example of a modern living Aramaic (although it’s not necessarily the one with the most speakers).
בתאריך 26 בינו׳ 2017 11:32, "Oliver Stegen" oliver_stegen@sil.org כתב:
Hoi, I've received a lengthy answer from Patrick R Bennett (Principal of the The Jerome Institute, and Prof. Emeritus of the University of Wisconsin-Madison) who is the main linguistic consultant of the Aramaic Bible translation project in the U.S., with translations into five language varieties.
He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic." So, Amir, you may want to continue your search for an Aramaic language expert in Israel.
Prof Bennett then continues to distinguish four languages varieties:
- Maaluli (Modern Western Aramaic)
- Suryoyo / Turoyo
- Chaldean
- Assyrian
(He has longer explanation on each variety but I'll spare you the details unless you insist me posting them here.) To cut a long story short, he thinks that, in addition to Syriac which represents a classical proto-language (like Latin for Spanish, Italian etc), "for Suryoyo/Turoyo, Chaldean, and Assyrian there can be a case for independent wikipedias. [...] I do not think Chaldean and Assyrian can productively be combined – there are too many lexical and morphological differences."
On scripts, Prof Bennett suggests the following (NB: the Syriac wikipedia is written in Western Syriac script):
- Suryoyo – Western Syriac script
- Chaldean – Arabic script
- Assyrian – Eastern Syriac script
Again, I can forward more details from his original post, if necessary. He closes with "I hope this helps. More detail and further discussion of course can be provided if desired."
Fwiw, Oliver
On 24-Jan-17 12:50, Oliver Stegen wrote:
I've contacted the Aramaic BT team (http://www.aramaicbible.org/ our-team.html) two of whom I know personally. I'll let you know when they respond on the question of dialect (i.e. possibly combinable into arc:wp) vs language (i.e. probably needing a distinct wp).
Fwiw, Oliver
On 19-Jan-17 16:13, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Maybe, I can think of a couple of names.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2017-01-19 7:06 GMT-08:00 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
So we need an expert.
Anyone in Israel? I mean, Israel seems to me like a good place to search for an expert in Aramaic languages.
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Indeed - although he does not recommend a separate wikipedia for Maaluli, he writes about it:
"Maaluli – Modern Western Aramaic. We have found it expedient to publish in both the Western Syriac script and in Arabic script, given the level of Arabic penetration. One scholar claimed Maaluli should be seen as an Arabic dialect – the structure however is clearly Aramaic." He also mentions Maaluli when commenting on the expediency of separate wikipedias - and may not have recommended one for Maaluli due to its small size in number of speakers. Here's the relevant excerpt from his message:
" I think that for Suryoyo/Turoyo, Chaldean, and Assyrian there can be a case for independent wikipedias. The degree of linguistic difference is great enough. Even between Chaldean and Assyrian. The Maaluli shares less with Suryoyo than Suryoyo does with Assyrian – but the Maaluli community is smaller. What is the smallest community that can support a wikipedia? This may not be a useful question, since there are versions in Manx, Cornish, and Volapük! I do not think Chaldean and Assyrian can productively be combined – there are too many lexical and morphological differences. The question is, should a hypothetical Chaldean version use Syriac or Arabic script? Could there be demand for both? Experience suggests that Arabic script might be a better choice." He then still suggests that Maaluli use Western Syriac script like arc:wp.
Fwiw, Oliver
On 26-Jan-17 21:36, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
Thanks a lot, this sounds good. I doubt that I can do any better.
Just out of curiosity, did he also say anything about Maaluli? That's actually the one that I hear most often as an example of a modern living Aramaic (although it’s not necessarily the one with the most speakers).
בתאריך 26 בינו׳ 2017 11:32, "Oliver Stegen" <oliver_stegen@sil.org mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org> כתב:
Hoi, I've received a lengthy answer from Patrick R Bennett (Principal of the The Jerome Institute, and Prof. Emeritus of the University of Wisconsin-Madison) who is the main linguistic consultant of the Aramaic Bible translation project in the U.S., with translations into five language varieties. He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic." So, Amir, you may want to continue your search for an Aramaic language expert in Israel. Prof Bennett then continues to distinguish four languages varieties: * Maaluli (Modern Western Aramaic) * Suryoyo / Turoyo * Chaldean * Assyrian (He has longer explanation on each variety but I'll spare you the details unless you insist me posting them here.) To cut a long story short, he thinks that, in addition to Syriac which represents a classical proto-language (like Latin for Spanish, Italian etc), "for Suryoyo/Turoyo, Chaldean, and Assyrian there can be a case for independent wikipedias. [...] I do not think Chaldean and Assyrian can productively be combined – there are too many lexical and morphological differences." On scripts, Prof Bennett suggests the following (NB: the Syriac wikipedia is written in Western Syriac script): * Suryoyo – Western Syriac script * Chaldean – Arabic script * Assyrian – Eastern Syriac script Again, I can forward more details from his original post, if necessary. He closes with "I hope this helps. More detail and further discussion of course can be provided if desired." Fwiw, Oliver On 24-Jan-17 12:50, Oliver Stegen wrote:I've contacted the Aramaic BT team (http://www.aramaicbible.org/our-team.html <http://www.aramaicbible.org/our-team.html>) two of whom I know personally. I'll let you know when they respond on the question of dialect (i.e. possibly combinable into arc:wp) vs language (i.e. probably needing a distinct wp). Fwiw, Oliver On 19-Jan-17 16:13, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:Maybe, I can think of a couple of names. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2017-01-19 7:06 GMT-08:00 Milos Rancic <millosh@gmail.com <mailto:millosh@gmail.com>>: On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il <mailto:amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il>> wrote: > So we need an expert. Anyone in Israel? I mean, Israel seems to me like a good place to search for an expert in Aramaic languages._______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom>
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2017-01-26 10:32 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic."
Could you explain this? Are there different Christian and Jewish languages/dialects (each with ISO codes etc)?
Here are the ISO codes for Aramaic languages (according to https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/aramaic-1). I've marked the four Christian variants with *, Jewish variants with @, and variants without L1 speakers with + (NB: some Jewish variants fall into that category, i.e. are marked @+).
* *Assyrian Neo-Aramaic[aii] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/aii/19(A language ofIraq https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ) * *Chaldean Neo-Aramaic[cld] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/cld/19(A language ofIraq https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ * *Turoyo[tru] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/tru/19(A language ofTurkey https://www.ethnologue.com/country/TR) * *Western Neo-Aramaic[amw] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/amw/19(A language ofSyria https://www.ethnologue.com/country/SY) = Maaluli * @+Barzani Jewish Neo-Aramaic[bjf] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/bjf/19(A language ofIsrael https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL) * @Hulaulá[huy] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/huy/19(A language ofIsrael https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL) * @+Jewish Babylonian Aramaic[tmr] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/tmr/19(A language ofIsrael https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL) * @Lishán Didán[trg] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/trg/19(A language ofIsrael https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL) * @Lishana Deni[lsd] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/lsd/19(A language ofIsrael https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL) * @Lishanid Noshan[aij] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/aij/19(A language ofIsrael https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL) * @+Samaritan Aramaic[sam] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/sam/19(A language ofPalestinian Territory https://www.ethnologue.com/country/PS) * Koy Sanjaq Surat[kqd] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/kqd/19(A language ofIraq https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ) * Senaya[syn] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/syn/19(A language ofIran https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IR) * +Syriac[syc] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/syc/19(A language ofTurkey https://www.ethnologue.com/country/TR) * Bohtan Neo-Aramaic[bhn] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/bhn/19(A language ofGeorgia https://www.ethnologue.com/country/GE) * Hértevin[hrt] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/hrt/19(A language ofTurkey https://www.ethnologue.com/country/TR) * Mlahsö[lhs] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/lhs/19(A language ofSyria https://www.ethnologue.com/country/SY) * Mandaic[mid] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/mid/19(A language ofIraq https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ) * +Mandaic, Classical[myz] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/myz/19(A language ofIran https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IR)
On 26-Jan-17 23:47, MF-Warburg wrote:
2017-01-26 10:32 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen@sil.org mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org>:
He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic."Could you explain this? Are there different Christian and Jewish languages/dialects (each with ISO codes etc)?
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Thanks for this explanation!
2017-01-27 8:03 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Here are the ISO codes for Aramaic languages (according to https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/aramaic-1). I've marked the four Christian variants with *, Jewish variants with @, and variants without L1 speakers with + (NB: some Jewish variants fall into that category, i.e. are marked @+).
- *Assyrian Neo-Aramaic [aii]
https://www.ethnologue.com/language/aii/19 (A language of Iraq https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ)
- *Chaldean Neo-Aramaic [cld]
https://www.ethnologue.com/language/cld/19 (A language of Iraq https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ
- *Turoyo [tru] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/tru/19 (A
language of Turkey https://www.ethnologue.com/country/TR)
- *Western Neo-Aramaic [amw]
https://www.ethnologue.com/language/amw/19 (A language of Syria https://www.ethnologue.com/country/SY) = Maaluli
- @+Barzani Jewish Neo-Aramaic [bjf]
https://www.ethnologue.com/language/bjf/19 (A language of Israel https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL)
- @Hulaulá [huy] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/huy/19 (A
language of Israel https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL)
- @+Jewish Babylonian Aramaic [tmr]
https://www.ethnologue.com/language/tmr/19 (A language of Israel https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL)
- @Lishán Didán [trg] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/trg/19 (A
language of Israel https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL)
- @Lishana Deni [lsd] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/lsd/19 (A
language of Israel https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL)
- @Lishanid Noshan [aij] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/aij/19 (A
language of Israel https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL)
- @+Samaritan Aramaic [sam]
https://www.ethnologue.com/language/sam/19 (A language of Palestinian Territory https://www.ethnologue.com/country/PS)
- Koy Sanjaq Surat [kqd] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/kqd/19 (A
language of Iraq https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ)
- Senaya [syn] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/syn/19 (A
language of Iran https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IR)
- +Syriac [syc] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/syc/19 (A
language of Turkey https://www.ethnologue.com/country/TR)
- Bohtan Neo-Aramaic [bhn] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/bhn/19
(A language of Georgia <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/GE>)
- Hértevin [hrt] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/hrt/19 (A
language of Turkey https://www.ethnologue.com/country/TR)
- Mlahsö [lhs] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/lhs/19 (A
language of Syria https://www.ethnologue.com/country/SY)
- Mandaic [mid] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/mid/19 (A
language of Iraq https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ)
- +Mandaic, Classical [myz]
https://www.ethnologue.com/language/myz/19 (A language of Iran https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IR)
On 26-Jan-17 23:47, MF-Warburg wrote:
2017-01-26 10:32 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic."
Could you explain this? Are there different Christian and Jewish languages/dialects (each with ISO codes etc)?
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You're welcome.
Btw, I just noticed that Mlahsö is also extinct. And Hértevin, Bohtan, Senaya and Koy Sanjaq Surat are also spoken within Christian communities but with very small and dwindling numbers of speakers. Sorry for missing to mark these with + and * respectively.
On 30-Jan-17 11:10, MF-Warburg wrote:
Thanks for this explanation!
2017-01-27 8:03 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen@sil.org mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org>:
Here are the ISO codes for Aramaic languages (according to https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/aramaic-1 <https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/aramaic-1>). I've marked the four Christian variants with *, Jewish variants with @, and variants without L1 speakers with + (NB: some Jewish variants fall into that category, i.e. are marked @+). * *Assyrian Neo-Aramaic[aii] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/aii/19>(A language ofIraq <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ>) * *Chaldean Neo-Aramaic[cld] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/cld/19>(A language ofIraq <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ> * *Turoyo[tru] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/tru/19>(A language ofTurkey <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/TR>) * *Western Neo-Aramaic[amw] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/amw/19>(A language ofSyria <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/SY>) = Maaluli * @+Barzani Jewish Neo-Aramaic[bjf] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/bjf/19>(A language ofIsrael <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL>) * @Hulaulá[huy] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/huy/19>(A language ofIsrael <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL>) * @+Jewish Babylonian Aramaic[tmr] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/tmr/19>(A language ofIsrael <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL>) * @Lishán Didán[trg] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/trg/19>(A language ofIsrael <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL>) * @Lishana Deni[lsd] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/lsd/19>(A language ofIsrael <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL>) * @Lishanid Noshan[aij] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/aij/19>(A language ofIsrael <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IL>) * @+Samaritan Aramaic[sam] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/sam/19>(A language ofPalestinian Territory <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/PS>) * Koy Sanjaq Surat[kqd] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/kqd/19>(A language ofIraq <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ>) * Senaya[syn] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/syn/19>(A language ofIran <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IR>) * +Syriac[syc] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/syc/19>(A language ofTurkey <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/TR>) * Bohtan Neo-Aramaic[bhn] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/bhn/19>(A language ofGeorgia <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/GE>) * Hértevin[hrt] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/hrt/19>(A language ofTurkey <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/TR>) * Mlahsö[lhs] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/lhs/19>(A language ofSyria <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/SY>) * Mandaic[mid] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/mid/19>(A language ofIraq <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IQ>) * +Mandaic, Classical[myz] <https://www.ethnologue.com/language/myz/19>(A language ofIran <https://www.ethnologue.com/country/IR>) On 26-Jan-17 23:47, MF-Warburg wrote:2017-01-26 10:32 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen@sil.org <mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org>>: He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic." Could you explain this? Are there different Christian and Jewish languages/dialects (each with ISO codes etc)? _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom>_______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom>
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I've marked the request for [Wikipedia in] Neo-Aramaic eligible.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
You're welcome.
Btw, I just noticed that Mlahsö is also extinct. And Hértevin, Bohtan, Senaya and Koy Sanjaq Surat are also spoken within Christian communities but with very small and dwindling numbers of speakers. Sorry for missing to mark these with + and * respectively.
On 30-Jan-17 11:10, MF-Warburg wrote:
Thanks for this explanation!
2017-01-27 8:03 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Here are the ISO codes for Aramaic languages (according to https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/aramaic-1). I've marked the four Christian variants with *, Jewish variants with @, and variants without L1 speakers with + (NB: some Jewish variants fall into that category, i.e. are marked @+).
*Assyrian Neo-Aramaic [aii] (A language of Iraq) *Chaldean Neo-Aramaic [cld] (A language of Iraq *Turoyo [tru] (A language of Turkey) *Western Neo-Aramaic [amw] (A language of Syria) = Maaluli @+Barzani Jewish Neo-Aramaic [bjf] (A language of Israel) @Hulaulá [huy] (A language of Israel) @+Jewish Babylonian Aramaic [tmr] (A language of Israel) @Lishán Didán [trg] (A language of Israel) @Lishana Deni [lsd] (A language of Israel) @Lishanid Noshan [aij] (A language of Israel) @+Samaritan Aramaic [sam] (A language of Palestinian Territory) Koy Sanjaq Surat [kqd] (A language of Iraq) Senaya [syn] (A language of Iran) +Syriac [syc] (A language of Turkey) Bohtan Neo-Aramaic [bhn] (A language of Georgia) Hértevin [hrt] (A language of Turkey) Mlahsö [lhs] (A language of Syria) Mandaic [mid] (A language of Iraq) +Mandaic, Classical [myz] (A language of Iran)
On 26-Jan-17 23:47, MF-Warburg wrote:
2017-01-26 10:32 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic."
Could you explain this? Are there different Christian and Jewish languages/dialects (each with ISO codes etc)?
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Hoi, Based on what? Thanks, GerardM
On 6 February 2017 at 12:11, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
I've marked the request for [Wikipedia in] Neo-Aramaic eligible.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
You're welcome.
Btw, I just noticed that Mlahsö is also extinct. And Hértevin, Bohtan, Senaya and Koy Sanjaq Surat are also spoken within Christian communities
but
with very small and dwindling numbers of speakers. Sorry for missing to
mark
these with + and * respectively.
On 30-Jan-17 11:10, MF-Warburg wrote:
Thanks for this explanation!
2017-01-27 8:03 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Here are the ISO codes for Aramaic languages (according to https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/aramaic-1). I've marked the four Christian variants with *, Jewish variants with @, and variants without
L1
speakers with + (NB: some Jewish variants fall into that category, i.e.
are
marked @+).
*Assyrian Neo-Aramaic [aii] (A language of Iraq) *Chaldean Neo-Aramaic [cld] (A language of Iraq *Turoyo [tru] (A language of Turkey) *Western Neo-Aramaic [amw] (A language of Syria) = Maaluli @+Barzani Jewish Neo-Aramaic [bjf] (A language of Israel) @Hulaulá [huy] (A language of Israel) @+Jewish Babylonian Aramaic [tmr] (A language of Israel) @Lishán Didán [trg] (A language of Israel) @Lishana Deni [lsd] (A language of Israel) @Lishanid Noshan [aij] (A language of Israel) @+Samaritan Aramaic [sam] (A language of Palestinian Territory) Koy Sanjaq Surat [kqd] (A language of Iraq) Senaya [syn] (A language of Iran) +Syriac [syc] (A language of Turkey) Bohtan Neo-Aramaic [bhn] (A language of Georgia) Hértevin [hrt] (A language of Turkey) Mlahsö [lhs] (A language of Syria) Mandaic [mid] (A language of Iraq) +Mandaic, Classical [myz] (A language of Iran)
On 26-Jan-17 23:47, MF-Warburg wrote:
2017-01-26 10:32 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing
altogether, and
I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic."
Could you explain this? Are there different Christian and Jewish languages/dialects (each with ISO codes etc)?
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11 days ago said:
"Oliver, thank you for the effort and thank to prof. Bennett for the detailed analysis!
I think we should mark this proposal as eligible. As Oliver sent this clarification today, I am resetting the starting time to today + 7 days for eligibility decision."
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Based on what? Thanks, GerardM
On 6 February 2017 at 12:11, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
I've marked the request for [Wikipedia in] Neo-Aramaic eligible.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
You're welcome.
Btw, I just noticed that Mlahsö is also extinct. And Hértevin, Bohtan, Senaya and Koy Sanjaq Surat are also spoken within Christian communities but with very small and dwindling numbers of speakers. Sorry for missing to mark these with + and * respectively.
On 30-Jan-17 11:10, MF-Warburg wrote:
Thanks for this explanation!
2017-01-27 8:03 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Here are the ISO codes for Aramaic languages (according to https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/aramaic-1). I've marked the four Christian variants with *, Jewish variants with @, and variants without L1 speakers with + (NB: some Jewish variants fall into that category, i.e. are marked @+).
*Assyrian Neo-Aramaic [aii] (A language of Iraq) *Chaldean Neo-Aramaic [cld] (A language of Iraq *Turoyo [tru] (A language of Turkey) *Western Neo-Aramaic [amw] (A language of Syria) = Maaluli @+Barzani Jewish Neo-Aramaic [bjf] (A language of Israel) @Hulaulá [huy] (A language of Israel) @+Jewish Babylonian Aramaic [tmr] (A language of Israel) @Lishán Didán [trg] (A language of Israel) @Lishana Deni [lsd] (A language of Israel) @Lishanid Noshan [aij] (A language of Israel) @+Samaritan Aramaic [sam] (A language of Palestinian Territory) Koy Sanjaq Surat [kqd] (A language of Iraq) Senaya [syn] (A language of Iran) +Syriac [syc] (A language of Turkey) Bohtan Neo-Aramaic [bhn] (A language of Georgia) Hértevin [hrt] (A language of Turkey) Mlahsö [lhs] (A language of Syria) Mandaic [mid] (A language of Iraq) +Mandaic, Classical [myz] (A language of Iran)
On 26-Jan-17 23:47, MF-Warburg wrote:
2017-01-26 10:32 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic."
Could you explain this? Are there different Christian and Jewish languages/dialects (each with ISO codes etc)?
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Hoi, I fail to see the link with that language code that is being suggested. Thanks, GerardM
On 6 February 2017 at 12:54, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
11 days ago said:
"Oliver, thank you for the effort and thank to prof. Bennett for the detailed analysis!
I think we should mark this proposal as eligible. As Oliver sent this clarification today, I am resetting the starting time to today + 7 days for eligibility decision."
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Based on what? Thanks, GerardM
On 6 February 2017 at 12:11, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
I've marked the request for [Wikipedia in] Neo-Aramaic eligible.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
You're welcome.
Btw, I just noticed that Mlahsö is also extinct. And Hértevin, Bohtan, Senaya and Koy Sanjaq Surat are also spoken within Christian
communities
but with very small and dwindling numbers of speakers. Sorry for missing
to
mark these with + and * respectively.
On 30-Jan-17 11:10, MF-Warburg wrote:
Thanks for this explanation!
2017-01-27 8:03 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Here are the ISO codes for Aramaic languages (according to https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/aramaic-1). I've marked the
four
Christian variants with *, Jewish variants with @, and variants
without
L1 speakers with + (NB: some Jewish variants fall into that category,
i.e.
are marked @+).
*Assyrian Neo-Aramaic [aii] (A language of Iraq) *Chaldean Neo-Aramaic [cld] (A language of Iraq *Turoyo [tru] (A language of Turkey) *Western Neo-Aramaic [amw] (A language of Syria) = Maaluli @+Barzani Jewish Neo-Aramaic [bjf] (A language of Israel) @Hulaulá [huy] (A language of Israel) @+Jewish Babylonian Aramaic [tmr] (A language of Israel) @Lishán Didán [trg] (A language of Israel) @Lishana Deni [lsd] (A language of Israel) @Lishanid Noshan [aij] (A language of Israel) @+Samaritan Aramaic [sam] (A language of Palestinian Territory) Koy Sanjaq Surat [kqd] (A language of Iraq) Senaya [syn] (A language of Iran) +Syriac [syc] (A language of Turkey) Bohtan Neo-Aramaic [bhn] (A language of Georgia) Hértevin [hrt] (A language of Turkey) Mlahsö [lhs] (A language of Syria) Mandaic [mid] (A language of Iraq) +Mandaic, Classical [myz] (A language of Iran)
On 26-Jan-17 23:47, MF-Warburg wrote:
2017-01-26 10:32 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the Christian Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing altogether, and I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic."
Could you explain this? Are there different Christian and Jewish languages/dialects (each with ISO codes etc)?
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You have it inside of the first email: https://www.ethnologue.com/language/aii
Gerard, this shouldn't have been an issue. It was an issue just because there is a Syriac Wikipedia, and "Syriac" is today a group of languages.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, I fail to see the link with that language code that is being suggested. Thanks, GerardM
On 6 February 2017 at 12:54, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
11 days ago said:
"Oliver, thank you for the effort and thank to prof. Bennett for the detailed analysis!
I think we should mark this proposal as eligible. As Oliver sent this clarification today, I am resetting the starting time to today + 7 days for eligibility decision."
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Based on what? Thanks, GerardM
On 6 February 2017 at 12:11, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
I've marked the request for [Wikipedia in] Neo-Aramaic eligible.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
You're welcome.
Btw, I just noticed that Mlahsö is also extinct. And Hértevin, Bohtan, Senaya and Koy Sanjaq Surat are also spoken within Christian communities but with very small and dwindling numbers of speakers. Sorry for missing to mark these with + and * respectively.
On 30-Jan-17 11:10, MF-Warburg wrote:
Thanks for this explanation!
2017-01-27 8:03 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Here are the ISO codes for Aramaic languages (according to https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/aramaic-1). I've marked the four Christian variants with *, Jewish variants with @, and variants without L1 speakers with + (NB: some Jewish variants fall into that category, i.e. are marked @+).
*Assyrian Neo-Aramaic [aii] (A language of Iraq) *Chaldean Neo-Aramaic [cld] (A language of Iraq *Turoyo [tru] (A language of Turkey) *Western Neo-Aramaic [amw] (A language of Syria) = Maaluli @+Barzani Jewish Neo-Aramaic [bjf] (A language of Israel) @Hulaulá [huy] (A language of Israel) @+Jewish Babylonian Aramaic [tmr] (A language of Israel) @Lishán Didán [trg] (A language of Israel) @Lishana Deni [lsd] (A language of Israel) @Lishanid Noshan [aij] (A language of Israel) @+Samaritan Aramaic [sam] (A language of Palestinian Territory) Koy Sanjaq Surat [kqd] (A language of Iraq) Senaya [syn] (A language of Iran) +Syriac [syc] (A language of Turkey) Bohtan Neo-Aramaic [bhn] (A language of Georgia) Hértevin [hrt] (A language of Turkey) Mlahsö [lhs] (A language of Syria) Mandaic [mid] (A language of Iraq) +Mandaic, Classical [myz] (A language of Iran)
On 26-Jan-17 23:47, MF-Warburg wrote:
2017-01-26 10:32 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org: > > He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the > Christian > Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing > altogether, and > I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic." >
Could you explain this? Are there different Christian and Jewish languages/dialects (each with ISO codes etc)?
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I see now: Sorry, I assumed I sent the link to the Ethnologue page inside of the first email.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
You have it inside of the first email: https://www.ethnologue.com/language/aii
Gerard, this shouldn't have been an issue. It was an issue just because there is a Syriac Wikipedia, and "Syriac" is today a group of languages.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, I fail to see the link with that language code that is being suggested. Thanks, GerardM
On 6 February 2017 at 12:54, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
11 days ago said:
"Oliver, thank you for the effort and thank to prof. Bennett for the detailed analysis!
I think we should mark this proposal as eligible. As Oliver sent this clarification today, I am resetting the starting time to today + 7 days for eligibility decision."
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Based on what? Thanks, GerardM
On 6 February 2017 at 12:11, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
I've marked the request for [Wikipedia in] Neo-Aramaic eligible.
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
You're welcome.
Btw, I just noticed that Mlahsö is also extinct. And Hértevin, Bohtan, Senaya and Koy Sanjaq Surat are also spoken within Christian communities but with very small and dwindling numbers of speakers. Sorry for missing to mark these with + and * respectively.
On 30-Jan-17 11:10, MF-Warburg wrote:
Thanks for this explanation!
2017-01-27 8:03 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org: > > Here are the ISO codes for Aramaic languages (according to > https://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/aramaic-1). I've marked the > four > Christian variants with *, Jewish variants with @, and variants > without > L1 > speakers with + (NB: some Jewish variants fall into that category, > i.e. > are > marked @+). > > *Assyrian Neo-Aramaic [aii] (A language of Iraq) > *Chaldean Neo-Aramaic [cld] (A language of Iraq > *Turoyo [tru] (A language of Turkey) > *Western Neo-Aramaic [amw] (A language of Syria) = Maaluli > @+Barzani Jewish Neo-Aramaic [bjf] (A language of Israel) > @Hulaulá [huy] (A language of Israel) > @+Jewish Babylonian Aramaic [tmr] (A language of Israel) > @Lishán Didán [trg] (A language of Israel) > @Lishana Deni [lsd] (A language of Israel) > @Lishanid Noshan [aij] (A language of Israel) > @+Samaritan Aramaic [sam] (A language of Palestinian Territory) > Koy Sanjaq Surat [kqd] (A language of Iraq) > Senaya [syn] (A language of Iran) > +Syriac [syc] (A language of Turkey) > Bohtan Neo-Aramaic [bhn] (A language of Georgia) > Hértevin [hrt] (A language of Turkey) > Mlahsö [lhs] (A language of Syria) > Mandaic [mid] (A language of Iraq) > +Mandaic, Classical [myz] (A language of Iran) > > > On 26-Jan-17 23:47, MF-Warburg wrote: > > > > 2017-01-26 10:32 GMT+01:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org: >> >> He starts with a disclaimer: "I will talk here only about the >> Christian >> Modern Aramaic – the Jewish Modern Aramaic is another thing >> altogether, and >> I am not at all sure of the present status of Modern Mandaic." >> > > > Could you explain this? Are there different Christian and Jewish > languages/dialects (each with ISO codes etc)? > > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > > _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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