No, that's not appropriate, Gerard. Either it stays open or it gets moved to Incubator. It's not right to lock it and then leave it there so that no one else can decide to pick it up.
Steven White
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1. Re: Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] [x-post] Wikimedia Language team online meeting on March 28 instead of March 21 [was Re: [x-post] Wikimedia Language team office hour and online meeting on March 21, 2018 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC] (Satdeep Gill) 2. Re: Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks (MarcoAurelio) 3. Re: Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks (Gerard Meijssen)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 18:32:39 +0530 From: Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] [x-post] Wikimedia Language team online meeting on March 28 instead of March 21 [was Re: [x-post] Wikimedia Language team office hour and online meeting on March 21, 2018 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC] Message-ID: CABMAr+fRBZ0SA1yPcjGuwsDk0h===-MPqcDBHPBV6aY__w5HvQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Just saw this email :)
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On 20 March 2018 at 18:10, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Hi,
In case you planned to come to this session, this was delayed to next week.
The "unavoidable reason" is that I am not feeling well :)
I do hope to see you there!
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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Runa Bhattacharjee rbhattacharjee@wikimedia.org Date: 2018-03-20 14:09 GMT+02:00 Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] [x-post] Wikimedia Language team online meeting on March 28 instead of March 21 [was Re: [x-post] Wikimedia Language team office hour and online meeting on March 21, 2018 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC] To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia developers wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Wikimedia & GLAM collaboration [Public] glam@lists.wikimedia.org, MediaWiki internationalisation mediawiki-i18n@lists.wikimedia.org
Hello,
Due to unavoidable reasons, we have had to move this online session to next week, on 28th March 2018. The time will be same i.e. 1300 UTC. I will send a reminder ahead of the session. Meanwhile, please see the original announcement below for other details.
Thanks, and apologies for this last minute change.
regards Runa
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee < rbhattacharjee@wikimedia.org> wrote:
[x-posted announcement]
Hello,
Wikimedia Foundation’s Language team would like to invite you for an online office hour session scheduled for Wednesday, March 21st, 2018 at 13:00 UTC. This will be an open session to talk about our work, and in particular the changes to interlanguage links, which were recently rolled-out on the English Wikipedia.
The new option shows a list of up to 9 languages instead of a long list that can have more than 200 items, and a panel with all the links that can be looked up in any language using a search box. The purpose of this feature is to make articles in all languages easier to find. We recently published a blog post about this feature and the thoughts behind the development:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.wikim....
This session is going to be an online discussion over Google Hangouts/Youtube with a simultaneous IRC conversation. Due to the limitation of Google Hangouts, only a limited number of participation slots are available. Hence, do please let us know in advance if you would like to join in the Hangout. The IRC channel will be open for interactions during the session.
Please read below for the event details, including local time, youtube session links and do let us know if you have any questions.
Thank you Runa
== Details ==
# Event: Wikimedia Foundation Language office hour session
# When: March 21st, 2018 (Wednesday) at 13:00 UTC (check local time https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.timeand...)
# Where: and on IRC #wikimedia-office (Freenode) and https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtub...
# Agenda: Discussion about Compact Language Links, and Q & A.
-- Engineering Manager, Language (Contributors) Wikimedia Foundation
-- Engineering Manager, Language (Contributors) Wikimedia Foundation
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:39:54 +0100 From: MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks Message-ID: CA+DRDAZbzSuHrNax2ihw4YjCcVdAruiqV2Jiky=zhF2kuMHZ6Q@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Issue is that we're serving a project for just 15 pages. I'd argue that is, indeed, absence of content since the wiki creation. Combined with no users interested in the project, etc., the best we can do, IMHO, is to lock the project and return it back to Incubator. Respectfully submitted, MA.
2018-03-20 7:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, As there is nothing new, no change in the maintenance needed for this particular project I see his point but I do not see the need. Thanks, GerardM
On 19 March 2018 at 23:54, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com wrote:
Please see Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Malagasy Wikibooks https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FProposals_for_closing_projects%2FClosure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e5d83d389a64a69566708d58f38d54a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636572396618002551&sdata=KhhzD701MD830kIOwjHF3ZpOS79NofrAu%2FYcO59Djg0%3D&reserved=0 on Meta.
The general argument here is that this project has been dormant for about ten years, and should be closed. There is not a vandalism problem on the project, and indeed I argued that LangCom's current position is that it is better to leave dormant projects alone than to close them and move them to Incubator.
User:MarcoAurelio, a steward who has posted here occasionally, argues that it's one more dormant project for stewards and global sysops to watch, and that in his view, it would be better to close this project. Two people in the community have responded: one user who really the only material contributor in the last ten years, along with an active sysop from Malagasy Wikipedia. Both effectively take the position that they're OK either way.
I would personally argue against closing, because I don't see this as being a special case, and I'm concerned that it would open the doors to many more requests to close small projects. But I'd like to hear some other opinions about this.
Steven
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Message: 3 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 15:33:51 +0100 From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks Message-ID: CAO53wxUsbaw-pTtK=_xH8qOoqjom5wjXunRNNTvgwJgDCQ8-cA@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hoi, Having a project locked is different from having it moved to Incubator.. I do not object to the project being locked. Thanks, Gerard
On 21 March 2018 at 14:39, MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com wrote:
Issue is that we're serving a project for just 15 pages. I'd argue that is, indeed, absence of content since the wiki creation. Combined with no users interested in the project, etc., the best we can do, IMHO, is to lock the project and return it back to Incubator. Respectfully submitted, MA.
2018-03-20 7:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, As there is nothing new, no change in the maintenance needed for this particular project I see his point but I do not see the need. Thanks, GerardM
On 19 March 2018 at 23:54, Steven White Koala19890@hotmail.com wrote:
Please see Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Malagasy Wikibooks https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FProposals_for_closing_projects%2FClosure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e5d83d389a64a69566708d58f38d54a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636572396618002551&sdata=KhhzD701MD830kIOwjHF3ZpOS79NofrAu%2FYcO59Djg0%3D&reserved=0 on Meta.
The general argument here is that this project has been dormant for about ten years, and should be closed. There is not a vandalism problem on the project, and indeed I argued that LangCom's current position is that it is better to leave dormant projects alone than to close them and move them to Incubator.
User:MarcoAurelio, a steward who has posted here occasionally, argues that it's one more dormant project for stewards and global sysops to watch, and that in his view, it would be better to close this project. Two people in the community have responded: one user who really the only material contributor in the last ten years, along with an active sysop from Malagasy Wikipedia. Both effectively take the position that they're OK either way.
I would personally argue against closing, because I don't see this as being a special case, and I'm concerned that it would open the doors to many more requests to close small projects. But I'd like to hear some other opinions about this.
Steven
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