Hoi, I have been told that the Jamaican languages is doing rather well. What is its status? Thanks, GerardM
I’ve published Alice in it. :-)
On 17 Apr 2016, at 08:30, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, I have been told that the Jamaican languages is doing rather well. What is its status? Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
Hoi, So we can at least move forward and accept it as a valid language? How about moving on from that?? Thanks, GerardM
On 18 April 2016 at 15:51, Michael Everson everson@evertype.com wrote:
I’ve published Alice in it. :-)
On 17 Apr 2016, at 08:30, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, I have been told that the Jamaican languages is doing rather well. What
is its status?
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If we're talking about Patois (ISO code jam), then it's definitely a valid language. I vote for accepting it.
Looking at the analysis of its wikipedia pages on the incubator [1], the last three months have seen 3+ editors with tons of activity. The most used core messages have all been translated. [2]
I'm contacting a good friend of mine whose mother is a Patois speaker, just to see whether he can recommend a scholar for verifying content being actually written in Patois.
So, I hope that jam.wikipedia.org - which currently still gives an error message - will be a reality soon!
Best, Oliver
[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/jam&... [2] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=jam
On 20-Apr-16 10:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, So we can at least move forward and accept it as a valid language? How about moving on from that?? Thanks, GerardM
On 18 April 2016 at 15:51, Michael Everson <everson@evertype.com mailto:everson@evertype.com> wrote:
I’ve published Alice in it. :-) > On 17 Apr 2016, at 08:30, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hoi, > I have been told that the Jamaican languages is doing rather well. What is its status? > Thanks, > GerardM > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom
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On 21 Apr 2016, at 05:15, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
If we're talking about Patois (ISO code jam), then it's definitely a valid language. I vote for accepting it.
I’ve looked at it and it’s just the same orthography I’ve published in http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jam.html
This is definitely good to go.
Michael Everson
I agree, it's eligible.
Am 2016-04-21 um 15:13 schrieb Michael Everson:
On 21 Apr 2016, at 05:15, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
If we're talking about Patois (ISO code jam), then it's definitely a valid language. I vote for accepting it.
I’ve looked at it and it’s just the same orthography I’ve published in http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jam.html
This is definitely good to go.
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Hoi, The question is not only if it is eligible ... we agree that it is. The question is what needs to be done to reach the final stage. Thanks, GerardM
On 21 April 2016 at 20:12, Antony Green toniogreen@web.de wrote:
I agree, it's eligible.
Am 2016-04-21 um 15:13 schrieb Michael Everson:
On 21 Apr 2016, at 05:15, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
If we're talking about Patois (ISO code jam), then it's definitely a valid language. I vote for accepting it.
I’ve looked at it and it’s just the same orthography I’ve published in http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jam.html
This is definitely good to go.
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If we can count Michael's comment about the orthography as an expert confirmation, then let's approve it.
If not, we need to find another expert.
I'd be liberal and say Yes, let's approve.
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2016-04-25 14:09 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, The question is not only if it is eligible ... we agree that it is. The question is what needs to be done to reach the final stage. Thanks, GerardM
On 21 April 2016 at 20:12, Antony Green toniogreen@web.de wrote:
I agree, it's eligible.
Am 2016-04-21 um 15:13 schrieb Michael Everson:
On 21 Apr 2016, at 05:15, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
If we're talking about Patois (ISO code jam), then it's definitely a valid language. I vote for accepting it.
I’ve looked at it and it’s just the same orthography I’ve published in http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jam.html
This is definitely good to go.
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Hoi, If nobody objects, let us move forward. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 April 2016 at 13:25, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
If we can count Michael's comment about the orthography as an expert confirmation, then let's approve it.
If not, we need to find another expert.
I'd be liberal and say Yes, let's approve.
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2016-04-25 14:09 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, The question is not only if it is eligible ... we agree that it is. The question is what needs to be done to reach the final stage. Thanks, GerardM
On 21 April 2016 at 20:12, Antony Green toniogreen@web.de wrote:
I agree, it's eligible.
Am 2016-04-21 um 15:13 schrieb Michael Everson:
On 21 Apr 2016, at 05:15, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
If we're talking about Patois (ISO code jam), then it's definitely a valid language. I vote for accepting it.
I’ve looked at it and it’s just the same orthography I’ve published in http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jam.html
This is definitely good to go.
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No offense to you, _Michael_, but how familiar are you with the Jamaican language?
_Amir_: Expert confirmation includes more for me than just confirming that it's the same orthography. We also want to verify that the wikipedia makes proper use of the target language in general (grammar, lexis, naturalness of discourse structure and suchlike).
As I had written on 21 April:
Looking at the analysis of its wikipedia pages on the incubator [1], the last three months have seen 3+ editors with tons of activity. The most used core messages have all been translated. [2] I'm contacting a good friend of mine whose mother is a Patois speaker, just to see whether he can recommend a scholar for verifying content being actually written in Patois. So, I hope that jam.wikipedia.org - which currently still gives an error message - will be a reality soon! [...] [1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/jam&... [2] https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=jam
While my friend hasn't responded yet, I've been contacted by Marcos Williamson with the following advice:
I would recommend contacting someone from the Jamaican Language Unit at the University of the West Indies http://www.mona.uwi.edu/dllp/jlu/
Could _one of my LangCom colleagues_ please look into that? Thanks.
Oliver
On 25-Apr-16 2:25 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
If we can count Michael's comment about the orthography as an expert confirmation, then let's approve it.
If not, we need to find another expert.
I'd be liberal and say Yes, let's approve.
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2016-04-25 14:09 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>:
Hoi, The question is not only if it is eligible ... we agree that it is. The question is what needs to be done to reach the final stage. Thanks, GerardM On 21 April 2016 at 20:12, Antony Green <toniogreen@web.de <mailto:toniogreen@web.de>> wrote: I agree, it's eligible. Am 2016-04-21 um 15:13 schrieb Michael Everson: On 21 Apr 2016, at 05:15, Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen@sil.org <mailto:oliver_stegen@sil.org>> wrote: If we're talking about Patois (ISO code jam), then it's definitely a valid language. I vote for accepting it. I’ve looked at it and it’s just the same orthography I’ve published in http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jam.html This is definitely good to go. Michael Everson _______________________________________________ Langcom mailing list Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom -- Dr. Antony Green Rudolf-Seiffert-Str. 31 WE 1703 10369 Berlin E-Mail: toniogreen@web.de <mailto:toniogreen@web.de> Mobile: +49-176-82295920 <tel:%2B49-176-82295920>
On 25 Apr 2016, at 14:31, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
No offense to you, Michael, but how familiar are you with the Jamaican language?
I typeset an expertly-translated 27,000 word novel in it, I understand the orthographic rules, and I can read it.
I have asked the translator to look at the “jam” home page.
Michael Everson
Thanks, Michael,
I look forward to your translator's feedback. That should be sufficient.
Oliver
On 25-Apr-16 4:57 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
On 25 Apr 2016, at 14:31, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
No offense to you, Michael, but how familiar are you with the Jamaican language?
I typeset an expertly-translated 27,000 word novel in it, I understand the orthographic rules, and I can read it.
I have asked the translator to look at the “jam” home page.
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My informant says:
===== Hi Michael,
It is proper patwa but with some spelling errors. You would have noticed that the dialect used is a bit different from the one that I used for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, but it is generally ok. Thanks for the link!
Cheers, Tamir =====
Of course spelling errors can be corrected by other users in due course, and since it’s a relatively new standard orthography, it’s not surprising.
Michael Everson
Great - thanks, Michael (also to your translator)!
Who is going to inform those responsible for and with the ability of turning the incubator wikipedia into jam.wikipedia.org?
Oliver
On 25-Apr-16 11:29 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
My informant says:
===== Hi Michael,
It is proper patwa but with some spelling errors. You would have noticed that the dialect used is a bit different from the one that I used for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, but it is generally ok. Thanks for the link!
Cheers, Tamir =====
Of course spelling errors can be corrected by other users in due course, and since it’s a relatively new standard orthography, it’s not surprising.
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I'll be happy to do it.
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2016-04-26 11:36 GMT+03:00 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org:
Great - thanks, Michael (also to your translator)!
Who is going to inform those responsible for and with the ability of turning the incubator wikipedia into jam.wikipedia.org?
Oliver
On 25-Apr-16 11:29 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
My informant says:
===== Hi Michael,
It is proper patwa but with some spelling errors. You would have noticed that the dialect used is a bit different from the one that I used for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, but it is generally ok. Thanks for the link!
Cheers, Tamir =====
Of course spelling errors can be corrected by other users in due course, and since it’s a relatively new standard orthography, it’s not surprising.
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Hoi, So we agree that it may move forward ? Thanks, GerardM
On 26 April 2016 at 10:36, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
Great - thanks, Michael (also to your translator)!
Who is going to inform those responsible for and with the ability of turning the incubator wikipedia into jam.wikipedia.org?
Oliver
On 25-Apr-16 11:29 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
My informant says:
===== Hi Michael,
It is proper patwa but with some spelling errors. You would have noticed that the dialect used is a bit different from the one that I used for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, but it is generally ok. Thanks for the link!
Cheers, Tamir =====
Of course spelling errors can be corrected by other users in due course, and since it’s a relatively new standard orthography, it’s not surprising.
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I am waiting for a resolution of a Wikidata bug - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112647
That's the only technical blocker I'm aware of. The renaming _will_ work without it, but interlanguage links will be buggy, and I want to avoid it. I'm poking Wikidata developers about this periodically.
Once that is done, I'll get to the next stage of actually starting the renaming process by asking the community, and when that will be resolved, I'll move to the technical renaming stage.
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2016-04-26 16:26 GMT+03:00 Michael Everson everson@evertype.com:
Has someone processed en-simple.wikipedia.org yet?
M
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The content is verified, and the test-project is active and the localisation for the most-used messages is completed (iirc, the last 2 points weren't mentioned yet). So no objection from me as well.
I can file a bug for the creation, once the community added the info about namespaces names etc. on Meta < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Jamaica... (which they will probably do shortly).
2016-04-26 10:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, So we agree that it may move forward ? Thanks, GerardM
On 26 April 2016 at 10:36, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
Great - thanks, Michael (also to your translator)!
Who is going to inform those responsible for and with the ability of turning the incubator wikipedia into jam.wikipedia.org?
Oliver
On 25-Apr-16 11:29 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
My informant says:
===== Hi Michael,
It is proper patwa but with some spelling errors. You would have noticed that the dialect used is a bit different from the one that I used for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, but it is generally ok. Thanks for the link!
Cheers, Tamir =====
Of course spelling errors can be corrected by other users in due course, and since it’s a relatively new standard orthography, it’s not surprising.
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It has been created now. MW-Warburg, will you do the import as you have previously?
2016-04-26 17:39 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
The content is verified, and the test-project is active and the localisation for the most-used messages is completed (iirc, the last 2 points weren't mentioned yet). So no objection from me as well.
I can file a bug for the creation, once the community added the info about namespaces names etc. on Meta < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Jamaica... (which they will probably do shortly).
2016-04-26 10:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, So we agree that it may move forward ? Thanks, GerardM
On 26 April 2016 at 10:36, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
Great - thanks, Michael (also to your translator)!
Who is going to inform those responsible for and with the ability of turning the incubator wikipedia into jam.wikipedia.org?
Oliver
On 25-Apr-16 11:29 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
My informant says:
===== Hi Michael,
It is proper patwa but with some spelling errors. You would have noticed that the dialect used is a bit different from the one that I used for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, but it is generally ok. Thanks for the link!
Cheers, Tamir =====
Of course spelling errors can be corrected by other users in due course, and since it’s a relatively new standard orthography, it’s not surprising.
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Yes, I planned it as today's evening entertainment.
2016-05-03 17:46 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
It has been created now. MW-Warburg, will you do the import as you have previously?
2016-04-26 17:39 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
The content is verified, and the test-project is active and the localisation for the most-used messages is completed (iirc, the last 2 points weren't mentioned yet). So no objection from me as well.
I can file a bug for the creation, once the community added the info about namespaces names etc. on Meta < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Jamaica... (which they will probably do shortly).
2016-04-26 10:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, So we agree that it may move forward ? Thanks, GerardM
On 26 April 2016 at 10:36, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org wrote:
Great - thanks, Michael (also to your translator)!
Who is going to inform those responsible for and with the ability of turning the incubator wikipedia into jam.wikipedia.org?
Oliver
On 25-Apr-16 11:29 PM, Michael Everson wrote:
My informant says:
===== Hi Michael,
It is proper patwa but with some spelling errors. You would have noticed that the dialect used is a bit different from the one that I used for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, but it is generally ok. Thanks for the link!
Cheers, Tamir =====
Of course spelling errors can be corrected by other users in due course, and since it’s a relatively new standard orthography, it’s not surprising.
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